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2. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: second chantz chutes (Herb)
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4. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: second chantz chutes (pcking)
5. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: last chantz chutes (Herb)
6. 04:21 PM - Re: last chantz chutes (Richard Pike)
7. 04:42 PM - Re: Re: last chantz chutes (Russ Kinne)
8. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: second chantz chutes (Russ Kinne)
9. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: second chantz chutes (Russ Kinne)
10. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: second chantz chutes (Herb)
11. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: second chantz chutes (pcking)
12. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: second chantz chutes (Russ Kinne)
13. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: second chantz chutes (Herb)
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Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger shoot
film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried everything they could
think of, even deployed from a shopping bag, but couldn't get a chute to
fail to inflate. Finally, in desperation, they tied a chute in knots and
got their film.
A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack, the
lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that almost
didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused vertebra thanks to that
little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to have a chute inspected and packed
by a certified rigger. Unless you like being in a back brace, years of back
pain and all the fun that goes with both.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron@charter.net>
wrote:
>
>
> [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com"]I guess anyone who is certified can repack
> recovery chutes? I have a
> second Chantz that would work for a Firefly or Firestar 1... Sounds as
> if there is nothing I can do with it...? Could fire the rocket I
> guess...? :-)
>
>
> I also have a BRS 5 VLS 900 that is expired.. March of 2012... Came
> off of a Challenger II that I sold... Make offer... I was told that
> $1600 and change would get a repack and new rocket... The newer model is
> rated at 1100 lbs and cost over 5k....If it can be repacked locally,
> then the cost of a rocket is on the order of 700 bucks...Herb
>
> [quote]
>
> A 1985 model BRS came with our Firestar wreck, but the canister was
> damaged. It is in firing condition, and the chute is still in it. We will
> be removing the chute and making our own hand deploy bag. Will post
> pictures and details when we get that far along.
>
> My MKIII has one of the last 2nd Chantz chutes ever sold, a soft pack
> which detaches from the launch canister. Over the years I have twice sent
> it to Skydive Kentucky to have it fluffed and repacked. I would call ahea
d
> and make arrangements, at one time they had a guy who worked there who di
d
> that on 2nd Chantz chutes. Prices were very reasonable.
>
> Spent an interesting morning Googling hand deployed parachutes and how to
> repack them, turns out there are a number of them available, as a lot of
> base jumpers use them. Downloaded about a half dozen repack manuals and a
ll
> of them use the same general procedures. If anybody is interested I can
> post the manuals, they are all in .pdf format.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671
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Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
Guess the question is: Can any certified rigger repack these ballistic
chutes? Herb
On 03/01/2017 08:49 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger
> shoot film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried everything
> they could think of, even deployed from a shopping bag, but couldn't
> get a chute to fail to inflate. Finally, in desperation, they tied a
> chute in knots and got their film.
> A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack, the
> lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
> NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that almost
> didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused vertebra thanks to
> that little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to have a chute inspected
> and packed by a certified rigger. Unless you like being in a back
> brace, years of back pain and all the fun that goes with both.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Pike
> <thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>> wrote:
>
> <thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>>
>
> [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com <http://nctc.com>"]I guess anyone who
> is certified can repack recovery chutes? I have a
> second Chantz that would work for a Firefly or Firestar 1...
> Sounds as
> if there is nothing I can do with it...? Could fire the rocket I
> guess...? :-)
>
>
> I also have a BRS 5 VLS 900 that is expired.. March of
> 2012... Came
> off of a Challenger II that I sold... Make offer... I was told that
> $1600 and change would get a repack and new rocket... The newer
> model is
> rated at 1100 lbs and cost over 5k....If it can be repacked locally,
> then the cost of a rocket is on the order of 700 bucks...Herb
>
> [quote]
>
> A 1985 model BRS came with our Firestar wreck, but the canister
> was damaged. It is in firing condition, and the chute is still in
> it. We will be removing the chute and making our own hand deploy
> bag. Will post pictures and details when we get that far along.
>
> My MKIII has one of the last 2nd Chantz chutes ever sold, a soft
> pack which detaches from the launch canister. Over the years I
> have twice sent it to Skydive Kentucky to have it fluffed and
> repacked. I would call ahead and make arrangements, at one time
> they had a guy who worked there who did that on 2nd Chantz chutes.
> Prices were very reasonable.
>
> Spent an interesting morning Googling hand deployed parachutes and
> how to repack them, turns out there are a number of them
> available, as a lot of base jumpers use them. Downloaded about a
> half dozen repack manuals and all of them use the same general
> procedures. If anybody is interested I can post the manuals, they
> are all in .pdf format.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671>
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Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
I have a similar story....buddy of many years was parachute jumping in
Indiana back in the old days...1969.... Main chute did not open.....and
in his haste he forgot to cut it away before pulling reserve....now they
both are tangled!!
somehow he managed to get his body into a flying plank attitude and at
some distance above the ground one or both chutes opened... Luckily, a
doctor was near and saw the accident; for he did a tracheotomy to allow
my buddy to begin to breathe.....Fred was awake ...for he remembers the
words the Doctor said to the ambulance drive...."no hurry, he won't be
alive when you get to the hospital"! Fred died in 2011 at the age of
66. :-)
Loved flying his trike....for he could get from the wheel chair to
the seat and handle it by himself... Herb
On 03/01/2017 08:49 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger
> shoot film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried everything
> they could think of, even deployed from a shopping bag, but couldn't
> get a chute to fail to inflate. Finally, in desperation, they tied a
> chute in knots and got their film.
> A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack, the
> lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
> NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that almost
> didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused vertebra thanks to
> that little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to have a chute inspected
> and packed by a certified rigger. Unless you like being in a back
> brace, years of back pain and all the fun that goes with both.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Pike
> <thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>> wrote:
>
> <thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>>
>
> [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com <http://nctc.com>"]I guess anyone who
> is certified can repack recovery chutes? I have a
> second Chantz that would work for a Firefly or Firestar 1...
> Sounds as
> if there is nothing I can do with it...? Could fire the rocket I
> guess...? :-)
>
>
> I also have a BRS 5 VLS 900 that is expired.. March of
> 2012... Came
> off of a Challenger II that I sold... Make offer... I was told that
> $1600 and change would get a repack and new rocket... The newer
> model is
> rated at 1100 lbs and cost over 5k....If it can be repacked locally,
> then the cost of a rocket is on the order of 700 bucks...Herb
>
> [quote]
>
> A 1985 model BRS came with our Firestar wreck, but the canister
> was damaged. It is in firing condition, and the chute is still in
> it. We will be removing the chute and making our own hand deploy
> bag. Will post pictures and details when we get that far along.
>
> My MKIII has one of the last 2nd Chantz chutes ever sold, a soft
> pack which detaches from the launch canister. Over the years I
> have twice sent it to Skydive Kentucky to have it fluffed and
> repacked. I would call ahead and make arrangements, at one time
> they had a guy who worked there who did that on 2nd Chantz chutes.
> Prices were very reasonable.
>
> Spent an interesting morning Googling hand deployed parachutes and
> how to repack them, turns out there are a number of them
> available, as a lot of base jumpers use them. Downloaded about a
> half dozen repack manuals and all of them use the same general
> procedures. If anybody is interested I can post the manuals, they
> are all in .pdf format.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671>
>
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Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
Part of the reason for regular inspections is that fabric sticks
together over time. That lengthens the time it takes to open. While that
is happening you are whistling toward the ground at an increasing rate.
How much is that extra time worth in dollars saved?
Then there's the issue of insect, moisture and heat damage. Most BRS
chutes live in a metal can in the sun. It heats up. That could cause
synthetic fabric to become brittle. The chute lives in a hangar or
trailer in an environment of temperature and humidity swings. It's
sealed, right? Are you sure? Bugs find holes. Bugs make holes. When you
pull that handle you want to see a perfect chute come out, don't you?
Think of a repack as an annual checkup with your MD. You do that, don't
you? Then why not do the same for your chute?
Be nice to your BRS and it will be nice to you.
PCKing
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: second chantz chutes
Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger
shoot film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried everything
they could think of, even deployed from a shopping bag, but couldn't get
a chute to fail to inflate. Finally, in desperation, they tied a chute
in knots and got their film.
A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack, the
lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that almost
didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused vertebra thanks to
that little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to have a chute inspected and
packed by a certified rigger. Unless you like being in a back brace,
years of back pain and all the fun that goes with both.
Rick Girard
On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Pike
<thegreybaron@charter.net> wrote:
<thegreybaron@charter.net>
[quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com"]I guess anyone who is certified can
repack recovery chutes? I have a
second Chantz that would work for a Firefly or Firestar 1... Sounds
as
if there is nothing I can do with it...? Could fire the rocket I
guess...? :-)
I also have a BRS 5 VLS 900 that is expired.. March of 2012...
Came
off of a Challenger II that I sold... Make offer... I was told that
$1600 and change would get a repack and new rocket... The newer
model is
rated at 1100 lbs and cost over 5k....If it can be repacked locally,
then the cost of a rocket is on the order of 700 bucks...Herb
[quote]
A 1985 model BRS came with our Firestar wreck, but the canister was
damaged. It is in firing condition, and the chute is still in it. We
will be removing the chute and making our own hand deploy bag. Will post
pictures and details when we get that far along.
My MKIII has one of the last 2nd Chantz chutes ever sold, a soft
pack which detaches from the launch canister. Over the years I have
twice sent it to Skydive Kentucky to have it fluffed and repacked. I
would call ahead and make arrangements, at one time they had a guy who
worked there who did that on 2nd Chantz chutes. Prices were very
reasonable.
Spent an interesting morning Googling hand deployed parachutes and
how to repack them, turns out there are a number of them available, as a
lot of base jumpers use them. Downloaded about a half dozen repack
manuals and all of them use the same general procedures. If anybody is
interested I can post the manuals, they are all in .pdf format.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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Subject: | Re: last chantz chutes |
Interesting thing about Fred's story...He usually did the repack....but
this time, someone else!!
I think that a thin sailplane chute may be the best,cheapest way
to go...? I would not want to bail out and watch the plane hit a
populated area however...Therefore, I think if the plane was intact and
flyable...I would stay with it...
The history of Kolbs...is that they do not break up in flight unless
the pilot is flying outside the envelope...usually , way outside...or
one is caught in a super bad storm...
Engine out....do you fly the plane or pull the chute...? Depends on
the terrain for the most part...right?
My two engine outs...were non events...airport made...With the MkIII
I never even thought about trying the starter....for I flew gliders back
in the 70's and the MkIII flew just great dead stick... ...The second
time, I radioed my flying buddies and told them.."hey! I am a
glider".:-) !!
Wondering....are there any of the soft toss chutes available? New?
I have two or three of them...in the aviation bedroom...I kept them
handy for when the ex wife got frisky!! :-) Herb
By the way...the more I see other planes in the Kolb category...the
more I appreciate the Homer genius!!
On 03/01/2017 09:24 AM, pcking wrote:
> Part of the reason for regular inspections is that fabric sticks
> together over time. That lengthens the time it takes to open. While
> that is happening you are whistling toward the ground at an increasing
> rate. How much is that extra time worth in dollars saved?
> Then there's the issue of insect, moisture and heat damage. Most BRS
> chutes live in a metal can in the sun. It heats up. That could cause
> synthetic fabric to become brittle. The chute lives in a hangar or
> trailer in an environment of temperature and humidity swings. It's
> sealed, right? Are you sure? Bugs find holes. Bugs make holes. When
> you pull that handle you want to see a perfect chute come out, don't you?
> Think of a repack as an annual checkup with your MD. You do that,
> don't you? Then why not do the same for your chute?
> Be nice to your BRS and it will be nice to you.
> PCKing
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Richard Girard <mailto:aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:49 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: Re: second chantz chutes
>
> Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger
> shoot film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried
> everything they could think of, even deployed from a shopping bag,
> but couldn't get a chute to fail to inflate. Finally, in
> desperation, they tied a chute in knots and got their film.
> A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack,
> the lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
> NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that
> almost didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused
> vertebra thanks to that little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to
> have a chute inspected and packed by a certified rigger. Unless
> you like being in a back brace, years of back pain and all the fun
> that goes with both.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Pike
> <thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>> wrote:
>
> <thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>>
>
> [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com <http://nctc.com>"]I guess anyone
> who is certified can repack recovery chutes? I have a
> second Chantz that would work for a Firefly or Firestar 1...
> Sounds as
> if there is nothing I can do with it...? Could fire the rocket I
> guess...? :-)
>
>
> I also have a BRS 5 VLS 900 that is expired.. March of
> 2012... Came
> off of a Challenger II that I sold... Make offer... I was
> told that
> $1600 and change would get a repack and new rocket... The
> newer model is
> rated at 1100 lbs and cost over 5k....If it can be repacked
> locally,
> then the cost of a rocket is on the order of 700 bucks...Herb
>
> [quote]
>
> A 1985 model BRS came with our Firestar wreck, but the
> canister was damaged. It is in firing condition, and the chute
> is still in it. We will be removing the chute and making our
> own hand deploy bag. Will post pictures and details when we
> get that far along.
>
> My MKIII has one of the last 2nd Chantz chutes ever sold, a
> soft pack which detaches from the launch canister. Over the
> years I have twice sent it to Skydive Kentucky to have it
> fluffed and repacked. I would call ahead and make
> arrangements, at one time they had a guy who worked there who
> did that on 2nd Chantz chutes. Prices were very reasonable.
>
> Spent an interesting morning Googling hand deployed parachutes
> and how to repack them, turns out there are a number of them
> available, as a lot of base jumpers use them. Downloaded about
> a half dozen repack manuals and all of them use the same
> general procedures. If anybody is interested I can post the
> manuals, they are all in .pdf format.
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671
> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671>
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> Groucho Marx
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Subject: | Re: last chantz chutes |
Good post Herb. I had 2 engine outs and one engine malfunction in my MKIII. Initially
I had a 532, and after several hundred hours, it spun the gear on the
crank that drove the through shaft that spun the water pump and the rotary valve.
With the rotary valve out of time, it went to partial power, and I successfully
flew 5 miles back to the airport I had departed from and landed w/o incident.
Borrowed a friends 503, stuck it on, and flew it home.
After I upgraded to a 582, I installed an oil tank for a riding mower as my oil
injection reservoir. Unbeknownst to me, while the tank was on the shelf in the
mower shop, a little spider had built a web/nest up in one of the corners, and
after about 20 hours, the webbing came loose and blocked off the port out of
the tank. Seizure. Landed at a paved model airplane strip w/o incident. (What
are the odds?!?) Thank you Lord!
About a year later, I was tinkering with main jet sizes and installed a main jet
that I apparently did not tighten securely. About 15 seconds after takeoff,
it fell out, and the engine went to partial power. I landed w/o incident in a
pasture off the end of the runway, and after reinstalling the original jets, flew
out of the pasture and back to the strip, with the only problem being a fuselage
covered with cow pie mung.
Gotta love the MKIII; an airplane that lends itself to adventures!
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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Subject: | Re: last chantz chutes |
In re a streaming chute - this sounds ridiculous! =94 the Army has
HALO chutes, which will stream until you pull the toggle, just as
designed..
Problem solved, or am I missing something?
I was not even tempted to pull the chute in my Mark3 - over power lines,
did NOT want to lose all control
Russ K
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> Interesting thing about Fred's story...He usually did the
repack....but this time, someone else!!
>
> I think that a thin sailplane chute may be the best,cheapest way
to go...? I would not want to bail out and watch the plane hit a
populated area however...Therefore, I think if the plane was intact and
flyable...I would stay with it...
>
> The history of Kolbs...is that they do not break up in flight unless
the pilot is flying outside the envelope...usually , way outside...or
one is caught in a super bad storm...
>
> Engine out....do you fly the plane or pull the chute...? Depends on
the terrain for the most part...right?
>
> My two engine outs...were non events...airport made...With the MkIII
I never even thought about trying the starter....for I flew gliders back
in the 70's and the MkIII flew just great dead stick... ...The second
time, I radioed my flying buddies and told them.."hey! I am a
glider".:-) !!
>
> Wondering....are there any of the soft toss chutes available? New?
I have two or three of them...in the aviation bedroom...I kept them
handy for when the ex wife got frisky!! :-) Herb
>
>
>
> By the way...the more I see other planes in the Kolb category...the
more I appreciate the Homer genius!!
>
>
> On 03/01/2017 09:24 AM, pcking wrote:
>> Part of the reason for regular inspections is that fabric sticks
together over time. That lengthens the time it takes to open. While that
is happening you are whistling toward the ground at an increasing rate.
How much is that extra time worth in dollars saved?
>>
>> Then there's the issue of insect, moisture and heat damage. Most BRS
chutes live in a metal can in the sun. It heats up. That could cause
synthetic fabric to become brittle. The chute lives in a hangar or
trailer in an environment of temperature and humidity swings. It's
sealed, right? Are you sure? Bugs find holes. Bugs make holes. When you
pull that handle you want to see a perfect chute come out, don't you?
>>
>> Think of a repack as an annual checkup with your MD. You do that,
don't you? Then why not do the same for your chute?
>>
>> Be nice to your BRS and it will be nice to you.
>>
>> PCKing
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Richard Girard <mailto:aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 9:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: second chantz chutes
>>
>> Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger
shoot film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried everything
they could think of, even deployed from a shopping bag, but couldn't get
a chute to fail to inflate. Finally, in desperation, they tied a chute
in knots and got their film.
>> A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack,
the lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
>> NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that almost
didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused vertebra thanks to
that little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to have a chute inspected and
packed by a certified rigger. Unless you like being in a back brace,
years of back pain and all the fun that goes with both.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Pike
<thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>> wrote:
<thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>>
>>
>> [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com <http://nctc.com/>"]I guess anyone who
is certified can repack recovery chutes? I have a
>> second Chantz that would work for a Firefly or Firestar 1... Sounds
as
>> if there is nothing I can do with it...? Could fire the rocket I
>> guess...? :-)
>>
>>
>> I also have a BRS 5 VLS 900 that is expired.. March of 2012...
Came
>> off of a Challenger II that I sold... Make offer... I was told that
>> $1600 and change would get a repack and new rocket... The newer model
is
>> rated at 1100 lbs and cost over 5k....If it can be repacked locally,
>> then the cost of a rocket is on the order of 700 bucks...Herb
>>
>> [quote]
>>
>> A 1985 model BRS came with our Firestar wreck, but the canister was
damaged. It is in firing condition, and the chute is still in it. We
will be removing the chute and making our own hand deploy bag. Will post
pictures and details when we get that far along.
>>
>> My MKIII has one of the last 2nd Chantz chutes ever sold, a soft pack
which detaches from the launch canister. Over the years I have twice
sent it to Skydive Kentucky to have it fluffed and repacked. I would
call ahead and make arrangements, at one time they had a guy who worked
there who did that on 2nd Chantz chutes. Prices were very reasonable.
>>
>> Spent an interesting morning Googling hand deployed parachutes and
how to repack them, turns out there are a number of them available, as a
lot of base jumpers use them. Downloaded about a half dozen repack
manuals and all of them use the same general procedures. If anybody is
interested I can post the manuals, they are all in .pdf format.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Pike
>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>
>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671>
>>
>>
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>> --
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=9D Groucho Marx
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>
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Another similar story. A buddy jumping in NY State had both chutes
tangle & stream - said =98he knew he was dead=99,
coming down at about 90MPH.
Then the chutes tangled in a big maple tree!!! =94 he went BOING,
BOING, but never touched the ground. He says his fingerprints are still
an inch deep in that tree trunk. All=99s well that ends well. He
jumped again the same day
Russ K
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> I have a similar story....buddy of many years was parachute jumping in
Indiana back in the old days...1969.... Main chute did not open.....and
in his haste he forgot to cut it away before pulling reserve....now they
both are tangled!!
>
> somehow he managed to get his body into a flying plank attitude and
at some distance above the ground one or both chutes opened... Luckily,
a doctor was near and saw the accident; for he did a tracheotomy to
allow my buddy to begin to breathe.....Fred was awake ...for he
remembers the words the Doctor said to the ambulance drive...."no hurry,
he won't be alive when you get to the hospital"! Fred died in 2011 at
the age of 66. :-)
> Loved flying his trike....for he could get from the wheel chair to
the seat and handle it by himself... Herb
>
> On 03/01/2017 08:49 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>> Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger
shoot film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried everything
they could think of, even deployed from a shopping bag, but couldn't get
a chute to fail to inflate. Finally, in desperation, they tied a chute
in knots and got their film.
>> A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack,
the lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
>> NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that almost
didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused vertebra thanks to
that little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to have a chute inspected and
packed by a certified rigger. Unless you like being in a back brace,
years of back pain and all the fun that goes with both.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Pike
<thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>> wrote:
<thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>>
>>
>> [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com <http://nctc.com/>"]I guess anyone who
is certified can repack recovery chutes? I have a
>> second Chantz that would work for a Firefly or Firestar 1... Sounds
as
>> if there is nothing I can do with it...? Could fire the rocket I
>> guess...? :-)
>>
>>
>> I also have a BRS 5 VLS 900 that is expired.. March of 2012...
Came
>> off of a Challenger II that I sold... Make offer... I was told that
>> $1600 and change would get a repack and new rocket... The newer model
is
>> rated at 1100 lbs and cost over 5k....If it can be repacked locally,
>> then the cost of a rocket is on the order of 700 bucks...Herb
>>
>> [quote]
>>
>> A 1985 model BRS came with our Firestar wreck, but the canister was
damaged. It is in firing condition, and the chute is still in it. We
will be removing the chute and making our own hand deploy bag. Will post
pictures and details when we get that far along.
>>
>> My MKIII has one of the last 2nd Chantz chutes ever sold, a soft pack
which detaches from the launch canister. Over the years I have twice
sent it to Skydive Kentucky to have it fluffed and repacked. I would
call ahead and make arrangements, at one time they had a guy who worked
there who did that on 2nd Chantz chutes. Prices were very reasonable.
>>
>> Spent an interesting morning Googling hand deployed parachutes and
how to repack them, turns out there are a number of them available, as a
lot of base jumpers use them. Downloaded about a half dozen repack
manuals and all of them use the same general procedures. If anybody is
interested I can post the manuals, they are all in .pdf format.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Pike
>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>
>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> --
>> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
=9D Groucho Marx
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>>
>
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>
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Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
Herb, as I understand it BRS uses a hydraulic press with pressures of
50K lbs/in.
I doubt other repackers have such a machine.
My last repack cost me $500. My life is worth at LEAST that much.
The military chutes have a TON of research behind them. That=99s
why they=99re so hard to
make stream. Civilian outfits, no. Don=99t take chances.
Fair winds,
Russ K
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> Guess the question is: Can any certified rigger repack these ballistic
chutes? Herb
>
> On 03/01/2017 08:49 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>> Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger
shoot film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried everything
they could think of, even deployed from a shopping bag, but couldn't get
a chute to fail to inflate. Finally, in desperation, they tied a chute
in knots and got their film.
>> A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack,
the lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
>> NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that almost
didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused vertebra thanks to
that little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to have a chute inspected and
packed by a certified rigger. Unless you like being in a back brace,
years of back pain and all the fun that goes with both.
>>
>> Rick Girard
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Pike
<thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>> wrote:
<thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>>
>>
>> [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com <http://nctc.com/>"]I guess anyone who
is certified can repack recovery chutes? I have a
>> second Chantz that would work for a Firefly or Firestar 1... Sounds
as
>> if there is nothing I can do with it...? Could fire the rocket I
>> guess...? :-)
>>
>>
>> I also have a BRS 5 VLS 900 that is expired.. March of 2012...
Came
>> off of a Challenger II that I sold... Make offer... I was told that
>> $1600 and change would get a repack and new rocket... The newer model
is
>> rated at 1100 lbs and cost over 5k....If it can be repacked locally,
>> then the cost of a rocket is on the order of 700 bucks...Herb
>>
>> [quote]
>>
>> A 1985 model BRS came with our Firestar wreck, but the canister was
damaged. It is in firing condition, and the chute is still in it. We
will be removing the chute and making our own hand deploy bag. Will post
pictures and details when we get that far along.
>>
>> My MKIII has one of the last 2nd Chantz chutes ever sold, a soft pack
which detaches from the launch canister. Over the years I have twice
sent it to Skydive Kentucky to have it fluffed and repacked. I would
call ahead and make arrangements, at one time they had a guy who worked
there who did that on 2nd Chantz chutes. Prices were very reasonable.
>>
>> Spent an interesting morning Googling hand deployed parachutes and
how to repack them, turns out there are a number of them available, as a
lot of base jumpers use them. Downloaded about a half dozen repack
manuals and all of them use the same general procedures. If anybody is
interested I can post the manuals, they are all in .pdf format.
>>
>> --------
>> Richard Pike
>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>
>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ========================
===========
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
=9D Groucho Marx
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>>
>
> --
> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine
democracies give way to tyranny."
>
> Aristotle
>
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I had heard that it took some real pressure to get it into the enclosure
but I did no understand the need for that kind of pressure on all of
their designs......which brings the question....why not a larger
enclosure? That be true..then the 1600 that I was quoted would be
fair. though painful... :-)
Are you saying that the back pack chutes that glider riders use are
substandard and not safe...That was what I had in mind. Herb
On 03/01/2017 07:11 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
> Herb, as I understand it BRS uses a hydraulic press with pressures of
> 50K lbs/in.
> I doubt other repackers have such a machine.
> My last repack cost me $500. My life is worth at LEAST that much.
> The military chutes have a TON of research behind them. Thats why
> theyre so hard to
> make stream. Civilian outfits, no. Dont take chances.
> Fair winds,
> Russ K
>
>
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com
>> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Guess the question is: Can any certified rigger repack these
>> ballistic chutes? Herb
>>
>>
>> On 03/01/2017 08:49 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>>> Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger
>>> shoot film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried everything
>>> they could think of, even deployed from a shopping bag, but couldn't
>>> get a chute to fail to inflate. Finally, in desperation, they tied a
>>> chute in knots and got their film.
>>> A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack,
>>> the lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
>>> NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that
>>> almost didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused vertebra
>>> thanks to that little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to have a chute
>>> inspected and packed by a certified rigger. Unless you like being in
>>> a back brace, years of back pain and all the fun that goes with both.
>>>
>>> Rick Girard
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Pike
>>> <thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> <thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>>
>>>
>>> [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com <http://nctc.com/>"]I guess anyone
>>> who is certified can repack recovery chutes? I have a
>>> second Chantz that would work for a Firefly or Firestar 1...
>>> Sounds as
>>> if there is nothing I can do with it...? Could fire the rocket I
>>> guess...? :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> I also have a BRS 5 VLS 900 that is expired.. March of
>>> 2012... Came
>>> off of a Challenger II that I sold... Make offer... I was told that
>>> $1600 and change would get a repack and new rocket... The newer
>>> model is
>>> rated at 1100 lbs and cost over 5k....If it can be repacked locally,
>>> then the cost of a rocket is on the order of 700 bucks...Herb
>>>
>>> [quote]
>>>
>>> A 1985 model BRS came with our Firestar wreck, but the canister
>>> was damaged. It is in firing condition, and the chute is still
>>> in it. We will be removing the chute and making our own hand
>>> deploy bag. Will post pictures and details when we get that far
>>> along.
>>>
>>> My MKIII has one of the last 2nd Chantz chutes ever sold, a soft
>>> pack which detaches from the launch canister. Over the years I
>>> have twice sent it to Skydive Kentucky to have it fluffed and
>>> repacked. I would call ahead and make arrangements, at one time
>>> they had a guy who worked there who did that on 2nd Chantz
>>> chutes. Prices were very reasonable.
>>>
>>> Spent an interesting morning Googling hand deployed parachutes
>>> and how to repack them, turns out there are a number of them
>>> available, as a lot of base jumpers use them. Downloaded about a
>>> half dozen repack manuals and all of them use the same general
>>> procedures. If anybody is interested I can post the manuals,
>>> they are all in .pdf format.
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Richard Pike
>>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>>
>>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671
>>> <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=466671#466671>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>>> rel="noreferrer"
>>> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>> ===================================
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Blessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.
>>> Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies
give way to tyranny."
>>
>> Aristotle
>>
>
--
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give way to tyranny."
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Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
A friend just had the chute on his Cirrus repacked. That's the one that
lowers the entire plane. It cost him $14k. A repack is required every 5
years.
A guy in my class at jump school went out of the 119 with a hand out. He
spun and wrapped up the main chute. Instead of catching the reserve and
throwing it away from him, he just pulled the ripcord. The reserve
wrapped itself around the main. The NCO on the sound system on the
ground told him to prepare to make a hard landing. He bent himself into
a PLF position before he reached the ground, bounced 20 feet, hopped up
and began wrapping up his chutes. He was ordered lay down. The medevac
Huey took him to the hospital. He had sprained every muscle in his body
but didn't break a bone. There is a lot of bounce to the sand DZs at
Fort Benning. There is a lot to be said for the PT you go through before
your first jump.
The towers at Benning are 250' high. The cadre hooked a reserve ripcord
to the lift mechanism and dropped a dummy wearing the reserve. The chute
was just beginning to open when the dummy hit the ground. Any chute
takes time and altitude to open. Military jumps start at 1100 feet.
There were several chute failures while I was at Jump School. The
riggers took a lot of heat from a non-airborne officer. One of the
riggers took a chute from the tables, stuffed it into the trash can at
the end of the room, tossed the can as he stepped out of a Huey and
landed safely. The whining stopped.
If you need that chute, you really want it to work the first time.
----- Original Message -----
From: Russ Kinne
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: second chantz chutes
Herb, as I understand it BRS uses a hydraulic press with pressures of
50K lbs/in.
I doubt other repackers have such a machine.
My last repack cost me $500. My life is worth at LEAST that much.
The military chutes have a TON of research behind them. That=99s
why they=99re so hard to
make stream. Civilian outfits, no. Don=99t take chances.
Fair winds,
Russ K
On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
Guess the question is: Can any certified rigger repack these
ballistic chutes? Herb
On 03/01/2017 08:49 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger
shoot film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried everything
they could think of, even deployed from a shopping bag, but couldn't get
a chute to fail to inflate. Finally, in desperation, they tied a chute
in knots and got their film.
A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack,
the lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that
almost didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused vertebra
thanks to that little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to have a chute
inspected and packed by a certified rigger. Unless you like being in a
back brace, years of back pain and all the fun that goes with both.
Rick Girard
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Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
$1600 for a repack? DID I READ THAT RIGHT!!!- that=99s simply
price-gpuging. Get another brand, IMHO
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> I had heard that it took some real pressure to get it into the
enclosure but I did no understand the need for that kind of pressure on
all of their designs......which brings the question....why not a larger
enclosure? That be true..then the 1600 that I was quoted would be
fair. though painful... :-)
> Are you saying that the back pack chutes that glider riders use are
substandard and not safe...That was what I had in mind. Herb
>
> On 03/01/2017 07:11 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
>> Herb, as I understand it BRS uses a hydraulic press with pressures of
50K lbs/in.
>> I doubt other repackers have such a machine.
>> My last repack cost me $500. My life is worth at LEAST that much.
>> The military chutes have a TON of research behind them. That=99s
why they=99re so hard to
>> make stream. Civilian outfits, no. Don=99t take chances.
>> Fair winds,
>> Russ K
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com
<mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Guess the question is: Can any certified rigger repack these
ballistic chutes? Herb
>>>
>>> On 03/01/2017 08:49 AM, Richard Girard wrote:
>>>> Have a buddy who jumped in the army. He was asked to help a rigger
shoot film (VN War era) of a streaming canopy. They tried everything
they could think of, even deployed from a shopping bag, but couldn't get
a chute to fail to inflate. Finally, in desperation, they tied a chute
in knots and got their film.
>>>> A parachute is a hard thing to screw up. If you have a fresh pack,
the lines straight, the panels flaked and a wind channel it will work.
>>>> NOW, having said that and being the victim of a parachute that
almost didn't open (I'm an inch shorter and have two fused vertebra
thanks to that little screw up) it is ALWAYS cheaper to have a chute
inspected and packed by a certified rigger. Unless you like being in a
back brace, years of back pain and all the fun that goes with both.
>>>>
>>>> Rick Girard
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Pike
<thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>> wrote:
<thegreybaron@charter.net <mailto:thegreybaron@charter.net>>
>>>>
>>>> [quote="Herbgh(at)nctc.com <http://nctc.com/>"]I guess anyone who
is certified can repack recovery chutes? I have a
>>>> second Chantz that would work for a Firefly or Firestar 1...
Sounds as
>>>> if there is nothing I can do with it...? Could fire the rocket I
>>>> guess...? :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also have a BRS 5 VLS 900 that is expired.. March of 2012...
Came
>>>> off of a Challenger II that I sold... Make offer... I was told
that
>>>> $1600 and change would get a repack and new rocket... The newer
model is
>>>> rated at 1100 lbs and cost over 5k....If it can be repacked
locally,
>>>> then the cost of a rocket is on the order of 700 bucks...Herb
>>>>
>>>> [quote]
>>>>
>>>> A 1985 model BRS came with our Firestar wreck, but the canister was
damaged. It is in firing condition, and the chute is still in it. We
will be removing the chute and making our own
hand deploy bag. Will post pictures and details when we get that far
along.
>>>>
>>>> My MKIII has one of the last 2nd Chantz chutes ever sold, a soft
pack which detaches from the launch canister. Over the years I have
twice sent it to Skydive Kentucky to have it fluffed and repacked. I
would call ahead and make arrangements, at one time they had a guy who
worked there who did that on 2nd Chantz chutes. Prices were very
reasonable.
>>>>
>>>> Spent an interesting morning Googling hand deployed parachutes and
how to repack them, turns out there are a number of them available, as a
lot of base jumpers use them. Downloaded about a half dozen repack
manuals and all of them use the same general procedures. If anybody is
interested I can post the manuals, they are all in .pdf format.
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Richard Pike
>>>> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>>>> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>>>>
>>>> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>>>>
>>>>
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Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
That was the quote 1600+ for a rocket and repack of my BRS 5 VLs
900....Herb
On 03/01/2017 08:15 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
> $1600 for a repack? DID I READ THAT RIGHT!!!- thats simply
> price-gpuging. Get another brand, IMHO
>
>
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com
>> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I had heard that it took some real pressure to get it into the
>> enclosure but I did no understand the need for that kind of pressure
>> on all of their designs......which brings the question....why not a
>> larger enclosure? That be true..then the 1600 that I was quoted
>> would be fair. though painful... :-)
>>
>> Are you saying that the back pack chutes that glider riders use
>> are substandard and not safe...That was what I had in mind. Herb
>>
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Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
Even with a rocket, that sounds HIGH.
Mebbe I=99m just a stingy Scotsman? Hope not.
But my life is even worth more than $1800+
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com> wrote:
>
> That was the quote 1600+ for a rocket and repack of my BRS 5 VLs
900....Herb
>
> On 03/01/2017 08:15 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
>> $1600 for a repack? DID I READ THAT RIGHT!!!- that=99s simply
price-gpuging. Get another brand, IMHO
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com
<mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I had heard that it took some real pressure to get it into the
enclosure but I did no understand the need for that kind of pressure on
all of their designs......which brings the question....why not a larger
enclosure? That be true..then the 1600 that I was quoted would be
fair. though painful... :-)
>>> Are you saying that the back pack chutes that glider riders use
are substandard and not safe...That was what I had in mind. Herb
>
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Subject: | Re: second chantz chutes |
They do not offer the 900 any more...but an 1100...at over 5k..so the
900 would be high 4k if still offered...I notice that BRS has a federal
or military division..which tells me a lot...
Do not know who, other than Second Chantz is offering BRS ...? And
Second Chantz seems to be shooting themselves or their customers..in
the foot..! Herb
On 03/01/2017 08:30 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
> Even with a rocket, that sounds HIGH.
> Mebbe Im just a stingy Scotsman? Hope not.
> But my life is even worth more than $1800+
>
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com
>> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> That was the quote 1600+ for a rocket and repack of my BRS 5 VLs
>> 900....Herb
>>
>>
>> On 03/01/2017 08:15 PM, Russ Kinne wrote:
>>> $1600 for a repack? DID I READ THAT RIGHT!!!- thats simply
>>> price-gpuging. Get another brand, IMHO
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Herb <Herbgh@nctc.com
>>>> <mailto:Herbgh@nctc.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had heard that it took some real pressure to get it into the
>>>> enclosure but I did no understand the need for that kind of
>>>> pressure on all of their designs......which brings the
>>>> question....why not a larger enclosure? That be true..then the
>>>> 1600 that I was quoted would be fair. though painful... :-)
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying that the back pack chutes that glider riders use
>>>> are substandard and not safe...That was what I had in mind. Herb
>>>>
>>
>
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things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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