---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/19/17: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:43 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 03/18/17 (Ted Cowan) 2. 09:04 AM - Re: road transport question (Mark K) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:56 AM PST US From: Ted Cowan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 03/18/17 Packed up many kolbs for transit. Trick is no matter what trailer or configuration, get a roll of cellophane plastic and wrap it up nice and tight and tape it with gorilla tape. Stays dry and wind doesnt whip it. 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It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely > disassembled. > > My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is > needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're > complete but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already > sandblasted & repainted). Could this project be transported using, for > instance, a mid size car towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically > used to haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the > wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size > concerns me. > > What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)? > > Thanks, > > Charlie > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:38:59 AM PST US > From: william sullivan > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: road transport question > > > Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard pickup truck, > with a rack. You could probably also use a U-Haul car trailer. > Does the plane have an N number? if not, it might be a problem. > > Bill Sullivan > Windsor Locks, Ct. > -------------------------------------------- > On Sat, 3/18/17, Charlie England wrote: > > Subject: Kolb-List: road transport question > Could this project be > transported using, for instance, a mid size car towing a > small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to > haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build > a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight > shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me. > What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack > on it (no trailer)? > Thanks, > Charlie > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:10:14 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: road transport question > From: Charlie England > > >> On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote: >> >> Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard pickup > truck, with a rack. You could probably also use a U-Haul car trailer. >> Does the plane have an N number? if not, it might be a problem. >> >> Bill Sullivan >> Windsor Locks, Ct. >> > It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the > paperwork front. > > I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18, but > it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really want > to go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to pull > behind a 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling something as > heavy as a car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive really quick; the > plane is ~600 miles away. > > If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine. > > Many thanks, > > Charlie > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:21:05 AM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: road transport question > From: Herb > > > Charlie > > Find yourself a decent boat trailer...reinstall the wings and support > them at the rear...three or four feet in front of the tail... lay a 2x12 > toward the front to hold the main gear...same at the rear with a pedstal > that is well cushioned to hold the boom tube...roll/lift it on and fold > the wings last...I use good strength , winching type straps to hold the > wheels and 2/12's in place..Herb > > >> On 03/18/2017 01:11 PM, Charlie England wrote: >> >>> On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote: >>> >>> >>> Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard >>> pickup truck, with a rack. You could probably also use a U-Haul car >>> trailer. >>> Does the plane have an N number? if not, it might be a problem. >>> >>> Bill >>> Sullivan >>> Windsor Locks, Ct. >>> >> It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the >> paperwork front. >> >> I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18, >> but it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really >> want to go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to >> pull behind a 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling >> something as heavy as a car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive really >> quick; the plane is ~600 miles away. >> >> If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Charlie >> >> > > -- > "Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies > give way to tyranny." > > Aristotle > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:38:09 AM PST US > From: Larry Cottrell > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: road transport question > > Charlie I pulled a 24 foot home made trailer with a firestar ii from > Lincoln Neb with a Subaru legacy to Klamath Falls Oregon. The key is - can > you keep the wings from being damaged. The cage and the rest should be no > problem. I hauled mine with it only folded. > Larry > > On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Charlie England > wrote: > >> >>> On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote: >>> >>> williamtsullivan@att.net> >>> >>> Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a standard >>> pickup truck, with a rack. You could probably also use a U-Haul car >>> trailer. >>> Does the plane have an N number? if not, it might be a problem. >>> >>> Bill Sullivan >>> Windsor >>> Locks, Ct. >>> >>> It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the >> paperwork front. >> >> I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18, but >> it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really want to >> go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to pull behind a >> 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling something as heavy as a >> car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive really quick; the plane is ~600 >> miles away. >> >> If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Charlie >> >> > > > -- > *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of > others.* > > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:19:27 PM PST US > From: George Helton > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: road transport question > > Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find somethin > g fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff like t > he engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in good wi > ng rack, wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and cover w > ell. If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture of m > y shop wing rack. > > > Have a great day! > >> On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England wrote > : >> >> Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively sea > rching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying projec > t a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassemble > d. >> >> My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is n > eeded for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're complete > but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & repai > nted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size car > towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts/ U > TV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I > know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me. >> >> What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Charlie > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:49:43 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: road transport question > From: Charlie England > > > Sounds good, if it was an assembled a/c. It's not. As I said, the > individual components are complete, but the cage is bare; not mounted to > the big tube, and nothing is attached to anything else. Right now it's > just a big quickbuild kit. :-) > > If the wings are around 15', it would seem that it's doable on the 8' > trailer if I use a bit of overhang on both ends. > > Charlie > >> On 3/18/2017 1:20 PM, Herb wrote: >> >> Charlie >> >> Find yourself a decent boat trailer...reinstall the wings and >> support them at the rear...three or four feet in front of the tail... >> lay a 2x12 toward the front to hold the main gear...same at the rear >> with a pedstal that is well cushioned to hold the boom >> tube...roll/lift it on and fold the wings last...I use good strength , >> winching type straps to hold the wheels and 2/12's in place..Herb >> >> >>> On 03/18/2017 01:11 PM, Charlie England wrote: >>> >>>> On 3/18/2017 11:34 AM, william sullivan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Ellery Batchelder had a couple of photos showing one on a >>>> standard pickup truck, with a rack. You could probably also use a >>>> U-Haul car trailer. >>>> Does the plane have an N number? if not, it might be a problem. >>>> >>>> Bill Sullivan >>>> Windsor Locks, Ct. >>>> >>> It is N numbered; belongs to a friend, so I'm fairly confident on the >>> paperwork front. >>> >>> I've got another trailer that was custom built to haul a Thorp T-18, >>> but it hasn't been on the road in at least 20 years so I don't really >>> want to go there... I'm trying for either something light enough to >>> pull behind a 4cyl car, or loaded in/on a rental pickup. Hauling >>> something as heavy as a car hauler trailer gets gas prohibitive >>> really quick; the plane is ~600 miles away. >>> >>> If it's been done on a pickup, my 5x8 trailer should work fine. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Charlie >>> >>> >>> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:56:24 PM PST US > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: road transport question > From: Charlie England > > Thanks for the pic; looks just like what we RV-x guys use for our wings. > Are you saying that the rack pictured would be adequate for road > transport of the wings? Are the leading edges strong enough to support > the wing weight on a couple of 8-10" wide carpet strips? If so, that > would simplify my task considerably. The rest of the stuff I can deal > with, but the wings concern me. I was envisioning something more like a > couple of heavily padded shelves as big as the wing(s). > >> On 3/18/2017 2:19 PM, George Helton wrote: >> Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find something > fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff like the > engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in good wing rack, > wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and cover well. > If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture of my shop > wing rack. >> >> >> Have a great day! >> >>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England wrote: >>> >>> Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively searching > for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying project a/c. > It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassembled. >>> >>> My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is needed > for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're complete but > disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & repainted). > Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size car towing > a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts/ UTV's)? I'd > obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tube. I know weight > shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me. >>> >>> What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Charlie > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:02:11 PM PST US > From: Gary Aman > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: road transport question > > We use 4" foam rubber > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Charlie England wrote: >> >> >> Thanks for the pic; looks just like what we RV-x guys use for our wings. A > re you saying that the rack pictured would be adequate for road transport of > the wings? Are the leading edges strong enough to support the wing weight o > n a couple of 8-10" wide carpet strips? If so, that would simplify my task c > onsiderably. The rest of the stuff I can deal with, but the wings concern me > . I was envisioning something more like a couple of heavily padded shelves a > s big as the wing(s). >> >>> On 3/18/2017 2:19 PM, George Helton wrote: >>> Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find somet > hing fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff li > ke the engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in goo > d wing rack, wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and co > ver well. If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture > of my shop wing rack. >>> >>> >>> Have a great day! >>> >>>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England wro > te: >>>> >>>> Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively s > earching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying proj > ect a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassemb > led. >>>> >>>> My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is > needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're comple > te but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & rep > ainted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size c > ar towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts > / UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tub > e. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me. >>>> >>>> What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Charlie >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:10:49 PM PST US > From: George Helton > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: road transport question > > I would actually prefer either adding a couple more straps inboard to this d > esign. I would use some dense foam where the leading edges rest. I'd use som > e light straps to hold the wings in place. Wings need to be covered to keep a > ir blast from go in between. > > Have a great day! > George ( Maddog ) >>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Charlie England wrote: >> >> >> Thanks for the pic; looks just like what we RV-x guys use for our wings. A > re you saying that the rack pictured would be adequate for road transport of > the wings? Are the leading edges strong enough to support the wing weight o > n a couple of 8-10" wide carpet strips? If so, that would simplify my task c > onsiderably. The rest of the stuff I can deal with, but the wings concern me > . I was envisioning something more like a couple of heavily padded shelves a > s big as the wing(s). >> >>> On 3/18/2017 2:19 PM, George Helton wrote: >>> Having owned, built and flown a twinstar. I'd say that I'd try find somet > hing fully enclosed. That being said, if you could put the cage and stuff li > ke the engine, etc. in the pickup bed? The wings could be transported in goo > d wing rack, wing facing forward towards the truck. Should really pad and co > ver well. If damage a wing it will be really bad news. Attached is a picture > of my shop wing rack. >>> >>> >>> Have a great day! >>> >>>> On Mar 18, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Charlie England wro > te: >>>> >>>> Well, after mostly lurking here for many years, and somewhat passively s > earching for a Kolb for most of that time, I've found a formerly flying proj > ect a/c. It's a complete 582 powered Twinstar, but it's completely disassemb > led. >>>> >>>> My question for those who have moved projects is this: How much space is > needed for transport? The wings & tail are still covered, so they're comple > te but disassembled. The cage is off the tailboom (already sandblasted & rep > ainted). Could this project be transported using, for instance, a mid size c > ar towing a small 5' x 8' utility trailer (typically used to haul golf carts > / UTV's)? I'd obviously need to build a rack for the wings/tail/fuselage tub > e. I know weight shouldn't be an issue, but size concerns me. >>>> >>>> What about a standard pickup truck, with a rack on it (no trailer)? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Charlie >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:34:58 PM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: road transport question > From: "west1m" > > > My money is on the boat trailer. I brought home a Quicksilver from Wichita (to > Saint Paul, MN) using a boat trailer and later brought home my Firefly on a boat > trailer from New York. I think it cost me more in tolls than gas! > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467452#467452 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer2_597.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer1_128.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 03:19:51 PM PST US > From: Charlie England > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: road transport question > > My T-18 trailer actually looks a lot like that, except the axle is farther > aft to support the weight of the T18's Lyc engine. > > Thanks for all the suggestions; I'll likely head down there with a stack > of 2x4's, several sheets of plywood, and a trunk full of pads & foam sheets. > > Charlie > >> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 4:34 PM, west1m wrote: >> >> >> My money is on the boat trailer. I brought home a Quicksilver from Wichita >> (to Saint Paul, MN) using a boat trailer and later brought home my Firefly >> on a boat trailer from New York. I think it cost me more in tolls than gas! >> >> -------- >> West1m >> Hastings, MN >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467452#467452 >> >> >> Attachments: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer2_597.jpg >> http://forums.matronics.com//files/trailer1_128.jpg >> >> > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:22 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: road transport question From: "Mark K" I was lucky enough that my brother-in-law had an enclosed trailer, about 16ft long that we used to go pick up my Twinstar MK II in Michigan. We supported the wings from the ceiling and strapped the cage, boom and tail feathers to the floor. The wings and tail feathers were covered and sealed and traveled very well. The wings just fit between the front wall and the big laydown rear door. -------- Mark Twinstar MKII Great Bend, PA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=467459#467459 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/packed_594.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.