---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/07/17: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:15 AM - ADS-B Out (Nick Cassara) 2. 05:58 AM - Re: ADS-B Out (Hoppy) 3. 06:08 AM - Re: ADS-B Out (John Hauck) 4. 06:46 AM - Info. On MZ201/M202 (George Helton) 5. 06:56 AM - Re: Info. On MZ201/M202 (Hoppy) 6. 07:11 AM - Re: ADS-B Out (Charlie England) 7. 07:33 AM - Re: Info. On MZ201/M202 (william sullivan) 8. 07:52 AM - Re: ADS-B Out (Hoppy) 9. 09:43 AM - Re: ADS-B Out (Charlie England) 10. 10:02 AM - Re: ADS-B Out (Hoppy) 11. 10:21 AM - Re: MZ201/M202 (Bill Berle) 12. 11:53 AM - Re: ADS-B Out (Charlie England) 13. 03:51 PM - Re: MZ201/M202 (George Helton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:21 AM PST US From: Nick Cassara Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B Out Kolbers, I am wondering if anyone has installed an ADS-B Out, or In and Out, in there Kolb yet? Open Flight Solutions is the most affordable system I have heard of so far. I would appreciate your input. Hopefully John will check it out for us at Fun in the Sun. Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska 607AK ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADS-B Out From: Hoppy I figure there are guys on the list who are way ahead of me on this application...? I have likely said this before but I am playing with adsb...receive only on a Nexus 7 with a NooElec nesdr t2. I have never taken it outdoors to get signals but seems to work software wise.. I use Avare navigation which is free along with Avare adsb app, also free. Nexus runs android software ...The nexus was 50 bucks at a pawn shop..The dongle (noo elec software defined radio) was 19 bucks.. I think they are available for less..? I find Amazon to be the priciest ..so I usually buy from Ebay...specify free shipping and US location.. Should receive adsb and weather... One possible problem is the drain on the tablet battery...I bought an usb , self powered, extender at an Amazon outlet for 5 bucks...flying, it will require conversion from 12 to 5 volts.. A three terminal regulator and a couple of capacitors work...but likely those devices are available from "big Red" for a few bucks.. Naturally this sort of device and its multiple usages are all over youtube. Some fellows are repackaging the whole kit and caboodle and asking big bucks for them... Hardware is cheap so it is all in the software... Glass cockpits use the same or similar hardware. But want 10k or better for their brew.. and they use much the same hardware... By now there should be total engine management as well as flight instrument replacement software and hardware for a Tablet ...The interface to egt,cht,oil pressure,etc can be made with a 7 dollar micro computer..called the Arduino...for it and the Raspberry Pi (35 bucks) have multiple analog inputs for sensors . The flight instruments (less airspeed) can be accomplished with a device the size of a postage stamp called a 9dof(degrees of freedom) 10 bucks.. it has an altimeter chip,magnetometer,gyro...The Arduino is the size of a credit card.. 7 bucks... Both computers have a serial port that interfaces to the 9DOF. Should be fairly easy to tie the computer to aileron, and elevator trim for some sort of wing leveling to relax the work load on cross countries.. A large three wire , model airplane, servo would work.. Still looking for a Firefly or Firestar re builder... Herb On 04/07/2017 02:03 AM, Nick Cassara wrote: > > Kolbers, > > I am wondering if anyone has installed an ADS-B Out, or In and Out, in there Kolb yet? Open Flight Solutions is the most affordable system I have heard of so far. > I would appreciate your input. Hopefully John will check it out for us at Fun in the Sun. > > Thanks, > > > Nick Cassara > > Palmer, Alaska > > 607AK > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:16 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: ADS-B Out Nick C/Kolbers: Two problems with your request below. -I didn't make it to S&F. -At Gantt International Airport there is no ADSB requirement. Therefore I have not paid much attention to it. Have no idea what the equipment looks like or what the requirements are for installing and use. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 2:03 AM Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B Out Kolbers, I am wondering if anyone has installed an ADS-B Out, or In and Out, in there Kolb yet? Open Flight Solutions is the most affordable system I have heard of so far. I would appreciate your input. Hopefully John will check it out for us at Fun in the Sun. Thanks, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska 607AK ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:04 AM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Kolb-List: Info. On MZ201/M202 I just thought that I'd start a thread concerning the MZ201 and MZ202 engines. If someone on the Kolb-list might have some experience with these engines mounted and flown on Kolbs. I'm considering an MZ201 for my Firestar MK1. George H. Firestar, #FS100 14GDH gdhelton@gmail.com Mesick, Michigan Have a great day! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Info. On MZ201/M202 From: Hoppy Where is Jack Hart when we need him.. ?? http://www.jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html Herb On 04/07/2017 08:39 AM, George Helton wrote: > > I just thought that I'd start a thread concerning the MZ201 and MZ202 engines. If someone on the Kolb-list might have some experience with these engines mounted and flown on Kolbs. I'm considering an MZ201 for my Firestar MK1. > George H. > Firestar, #FS100 > 14GDH > gdhelton@gmail.com > Mesick, Michigan > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADS-B Out From: Charlie England TmV4dXMgNyB3b24ndCBhbGxvdyB5b3UgdG8gY2hhcmdlIGl0IGFuZCBzZWUgdGhlIGRvbmdsZSBh dCB0aGUgc2FtZSB0aW1lLCB1bmxlc3MgeW91ICdyb290JyBpdC4KCkxvdHMgb2YgaW5mbyBvdXQg dGhlcmU7IEknbGwgdHJ5IHRvIHNlbmQgc29tZSBsaW5rcyB3aGVuIEkgZ2V0IGhvbWUuwqAKCkNo YXJsaWUKKExvYWRpbmcgYSBUd2luc3RhciBwcm9qZWN0IG9uIHRoZSB0cmFpbGVyIHRvZGF5ISAp Cgo8ZGl2Pi0tLS0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UgLS0tLS0tLS08L2Rpdj48ZGl2PkZyb206 IEhvcHB5IDxoZXJiZ2hAbmN0Yy5jb20+IDwvZGl2PjxkaXY+RGF0ZTowNC8wNy8yMDE3ICA4OjU4 IEFNICAoR01ULTA1OjAwKSA8L2Rpdj48ZGl2PlRvOiBrb2xiLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbSA8 L2Rpdj48ZGl2PlN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBLb2xiLUxpc3Q6IEFEUy1CIE91dCA8L2Rpdj48ZGl2Pgo8 L2Rpdj4tLT4gS29sYi1MaXN0IG1lc3NhZ2UgcG9zdGVkIGJ5OiBIb3BweSA8aGVyYmdoQG5jdGMu 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On MZ201/M202 Has anyone heard from Jack Hart? His notes on lightening his Firefly are invaluable to anyone building one. do not archive Bill Sullivan Where is Jack Hart when we need him.. ?? http://www.jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADS-B Out From: Hoppy With the powered usb hub...should not be a large problem...Herb On 04/07/2017 09:11 AM, Charlie England wrote: > Nexus 7 won't allow you to charge it and see the dongle at the same > time, unless you 'root' it. > > Lots of info out there; I'll try to send some links when I get home. > > Charlie > (Loading a Twinstar project on the trailer today! ) > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Hoppy > Date:04/07/2017 8:58 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADS-B Out > > > I figure there are guys on the list who are way ahead of me on this > application...? > > I have likely said this before but I am playing with adsb...receive only > on a Nexus 7 with a NooElec nesdr t2. I have never taken it outdoors > to get signals but seems to work software wise.. I use Avare navigation > which is free along with Avare adsb app, also free. > > Nexus runs android software ...The nexus was 50 bucks at a pawn > shop..The dongle (noo elec software defined radio) was 19 bucks.. I > think they are available for less..? I find Amazon to be the priciest > ..so I usually buy from Ebay...specify free shipping and US location.. > > Should receive adsb and weather... One possible problem is the drain > on the tablet battery...I bought an usb , self powered, extender at an > Amazon outlet for 5 bucks...flying, it will require conversion from 12 > to 5 volts.. A three terminal regulator and a couple of capacitors > work...but likely those devices are available from "big Red" for a few > bucks.. > > Naturally this sort of device and its multiple usages are all over > youtube. Some fellows are repackaging the whole kit and caboodle and > asking big bucks for them... Hardware is cheap so it is all in the > software... Glass cockpits use the same or similar hardware. But want > 10k or better for their brew.. and they use much the same hardware... > > By now there should be total engine management as well as flight > instrument replacement software and hardware for a Tablet ...The > interface to egt,cht,oil pressure,etc can be made with a 7 dollar micro > computer..called the Arduino...for it and the Raspberry Pi (35 bucks) > have multiple analog inputs for sensors . The flight instruments (less > airspeed) can be accomplished with a device the size of a postage stamp > called a 9dof(degrees of freedom) 10 bucks.. it has an altimeter > chip,magnetometer,gyro...The Arduino is the size of a credit card.. 7 > bucks... Both computers have a serial port that interfaces to the 9DOF. > Should be fairly easy to tie the computer to aileron, and elevator trim > for some sort of wing leveling to relax the work load on cross > countries.. A large three wire , model airplane, servo would work.. > > Still looking for a Firefly or Firestar re builder... Herb > > > On 04/07/2017 02:03 AM, Nick Cassara wrote: > > > > Kolbers, > > > > I am wondering if anyone has installed an ADS-B Out, or In and Out, > in there Kolb yet? Open Flight Solutions is the most affordable system > I have heard of so far. > > I would appreciate your input. Hopefully John will check it out for > us at Fun in the Sun. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Nick Cassara > > > > Palmer, Alaska > > > > 607AK > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADS-B Out From: Charlie England WW91IGNhbiBwb3dlciB0aGUgcmFkaW8gd2l0aCBpdCwgYnV0IHRoZSA3IHdvbid0IGNoYXJnZSB3 aGlsZSBpbiB1c2Igb3RnIG1vZGUuCgo8ZGl2Pi0tLS0tLS0tIE9yaWdpbmFsIG1lc3NhZ2UgLS0t LS0tLS08L2Rpdj48ZGl2PkZyb206IEhvcHB5IDxoZXJiZ2hAbmN0Yy5jb20+IDwvZGl2PjxkaXY+ RGF0ZTowNC8wNy8yMDE3ICAxMDo1MiBBTSAgKEdNVC0wNTowMCkgPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5Ubzoga29s Yi1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20gPC9kaXY+PGRpdj5TdWJqZWN0OiBSZTogS29sYi1MaXN0OiBB RFMtQiBPdXQgPC9kaXY+PGRpdj4KPC9kaXY+V2l0aCB0aGUgcG93ZXJlZCB1c2IgaHViLi4uc2hv dWxkIG5vdCBiZSBhIGxhcmdlICBwcm9ibGVtLi4uSGVyYiAKCk9uIDA0LzA3LzIwMTcgMDk6MTEg QU0sIENoYXJsaWUgRW5nbGFuZCB3cm90ZToKTmV4dXMgNyB3b24ndCBhbGxvdyB5b3UgdG8gY2hh 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Herb On 04/07/2017 11:43 AM, Charlie England wrote: > You can power the radio with it, but the 7 won't charge while in usb > otg mode. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Hoppy > Date:04/07/2017 10:52 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADS-B Out > > With the powered usb hub...should not be a large problem...Herb > > > On 04/07/2017 09:11 AM, Charlie England wrote: >> Nexus 7 won't allow you to charge it and see the dongle at the same >> time, unless you 'root' it. >> >> Lots of info out there; I'll try to send some links when I get home. >> >> Charlie >> (Loading a Twinstar project on the trailer today! ) >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Hoppy >> Date:04/07/2017 8:58 AM (GMT-05:00) >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADS-B Out >> >> >> I figure there are guys on the list who are way ahead of me on this >> application...? >> >> I have likely said this before but I am playing with adsb...receive only >> on a Nexus 7 with a NooElec nesdr t2. I have never taken it outdoors >> to get signals but seems to work software wise.. I use Avare navigation >> which is free along with Avare adsb app, also free. >> >> Nexus runs android software ...The nexus was 50 bucks at a pawn >> shop..The dongle (noo elec software defined radio) was 19 bucks.. I >> think they are available for less..? I find Amazon to be the priciest >> ..so I usually buy from Ebay...specify free shipping and US location.. >> >> Should receive adsb and weather... One possible problem is the drain >> on the tablet battery...I bought an usb , self powered, extender at an >> Amazon outlet for 5 bucks...flying, it will require conversion from 12 >> to 5 volts.. A three terminal regulator and a couple of capacitors >> work...but likely those devices are available from "big Red" for a few >> bucks.. >> >> Naturally this sort of device and its multiple usages are all over >> youtube. Some fellows are repackaging the whole kit and caboodle and >> asking big bucks for them... Hardware is cheap so it is all in the >> software... Glass cockpits use the same or similar hardware. But want >> 10k or better for their brew.. and they use much the same hardware... >> >> By now there should be total engine management as well as flight >> instrument replacement software and hardware for a Tablet ...The >> interface to egt,cht,oil pressure,etc can be made with a 7 dollar micro >> computer..called the Arduino...for it and the Raspberry Pi (35 bucks) >> have multiple analog inputs for sensors . The flight instruments (less >> airspeed) can be accomplished with a device the size of a postage stamp >> called a 9dof(degrees of freedom) 10 bucks.. it has an altimeter >> chip,magnetometer,gyro...The Arduino is the size of a credit card.. 7 >> bucks... Both computers have a serial port that interfaces to the 9DOF. >> Should be fairly easy to tie the computer to aileron, and elevator trim >> for some sort of wing leveling to relax the work load on cross >> countries.. A large three wire , model airplane, servo would work.. >> >> Still looking for a Firefly or Firestar re builder... Herb >> >> >> On 04/07/2017 02:03 AM, Nick Cassara wrote: >> > >> > Kolbers, >> > >> > I am wondering if anyone has installed an ADS-B Out, or In and Out, >> in there Kolb yet? Open Flight Solutions is the most affordable >> system I have heard of so far. >> > I would appreciate your input. Hopefully John will check it out for >> us at Fun in the Sun. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > >> > Nick Cassara >> > >> > Palmer, Alaska >> > >> > 607AK >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:31 AM PST US From: Bill Berle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MZ201/M202 IMHO you might also look into the Simonini and Polini brand engines. I'm sure the Zanzottera (MZ) are decent engines, but the Polini is gaining a really strong reputation in the UL and LSA world, and Simonini is already the leader in the highly competitive powered parachute world (which is now the largest and most active market for small engines). There are two competing engines from Polini and SImonini that make 33 to 36HP and weigh 40- 45 pounds, WITH starter, reduction drive, propeller and exhaust. (incredible!) They have more modern advanced metallurgy than previous generations of 2 stroke engines. If I recall, the fuel burn is also more attractive than previous engines (377). There is a good chance that these engines on an early Firestar can legitimately put it into Part 103 weight, with a lot more flight performance than one would expect. You can add a quick/cheap/light home made "Swiss muffler" and have it much quieter too. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/7/17, william sullivan wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Info. On MZ201/M202 To: kolb-list@matronics.com Date: Friday, April 7, 2017, 7:32 AM sullivan Has anyone heard from Jack Hart? 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IDYwN0FLCj4KPgo+Cj4KCgoKCgoK ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:29 PM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MZ201/M202 That does sound incredible. I'll have do some research on these engines. I started my Rotax 377 today after it was 28 years in storage after being fogged after its last fight. It has thirty hours on it, that's total time. It took a while to clear all that old fogging oil out of it. Ran great! Tomorrow I'll put it thru the Rotax break in run which is pretty torturous. If it survives that I'll figure it to be airworthy. Thanks for information. George H. Firestar MK1, #FS100 14GDH gdhelton@gmail.com Mesick, Michigan Have a great day! > On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:21 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > > IMHO you might also look into the Simonini and Polini brand engines. I'm sure the Zanzottera (MZ) are decent engines, but the Polini is gaining a really strong reputation in the UL and LSA world, and Simonini is already the leader in the highly competitive powered parachute world (which is now the largest and most active market for small engines). > > There are two competing engines from Polini and SImonini that make 33 to 36HP and weigh 40- 45 pounds, WITH starter, reduction drive, propeller and exhaust. (incredible!) > > They have more modern advanced metallurgy than previous generations of 2 stroke engines. If I recall, the fuel burn is also more attractive than previous engines (377). > > There is a good chance that these engines on an early Firestar can legitimately put it into Part 103 weight, with a lot more flight performance than one would expect. You can add a quick/cheap/light home made "Swiss muffler" and have it much quieter too. > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Fri, 4/7/17, william sullivan wrote: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Info. On MZ201/M202 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, April 7, 2017, 7:32 AM > > sullivan > > Has anyone heard from Jack > Hart? His notes on lightening his Firefly are > invaluable to anyone building one. > > do not archive > > > > > > Bill Sullivan > > Hoppy > > > Where is Jack Hart when we need him.. > ?? > > http://www.jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html > > > > > > > > The Kolb-List Email Forum - > Navigator to browse > List Un/Subscription, > 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > via the Web Forums! > - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > Email List Wiki! > - List Contribution Web Site - > support! > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.