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1. 04:48 AM - Re: covering supplier? (Charlie England)
2. 05:27 AM - Re: covering supplier? (mojavjoe@comcast.net)
3. 06:10 AM - Re: covering supplier? (Hoppy)
4. 07:24 AM - Re: covering supplier? (Bill Berle)
5. 07:27 AM - Re: covering supplier? (Bill Berle)
6. 07:48 AM - Re: covering supplier? (Hoppy)
7. 09:57 AM - Re: covering supplier? (Charlie England)
8. 11:13 AM - Re: covering supplier? (Hoppy)
9. 12:06 PM - Re: covering supplier? (mojavjoe@comcast.net)
10. 12:46 PM - Re: covering supplier? (John Hauck)
11. 01:34 PM - Re: covering supplier? (Stuart Harner)
12. 01:34 PM - Re: covering supplier? (Stuart Harner)
13. 03:03 PM - Re: covering supplier? (Charlie England)
14. 03:03 PM - Re: covering supplier? (Charlie England)
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Subject: | Re: covering supplier? |
This is the reference I've used; he supplies links to other research that
he did.
http://wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php
I'm not paranoid about occasional use of most chemicals, but something
cleaner/safer will work just as well, and save a bit of money at the same
time, I'll take it. But don't expect mine to look like the results he gets.
:-)
Charlie
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 12:20 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> Do a little research, the latex may be heavier than some other systems.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 4/10/17, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, April 10, 2017, 8:53 PM
>
> England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
>
> Sounds like Spruce is the go-to place,
> then.
>
> My fabric guy (yeah, I've got a fabric
> guy) is willing to try Stewart
> System glue, so I think we'll give that
> a shot. That plus Wienerdog
> Aero's Latex painting technique, &
> we should be good to go. :-)
>
> Charlie
>
> On 4/10/2017 9:15 PM, Hoppy wrote:
> > --> Kolb-List message posted
> by: Hoppy <herbgh@nctc.com>
> >
> > Haven't checked in a while..but
> think A/C spruce can ship Poly Fiber
> > chemicals with no haz material
> charge...? Herb
> >
> >
> > On 04/10/2017 09:10 PM, Hoppy
> wrote:
> >> --> Kolb-List message
> posted by: Hoppy <herbgh@nctc.com>
> >>
> >> Yep..Peel ply... around 5
> bucks a yard...1.7 or 2.6. Herb
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/10/2017 06:45 PM,
> Charlie England wrote:
> >>> Anyone using a covering
> supplier that's better (cheaper, better
> >>> service, etc) than A/C
> Spruce?
> >>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: covering supplier? |
Charlie
Another tip, buy Fastbond NF Green on Amazon, it's the same adhesive as Stewart
at half the price
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland7@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 11:53:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
Sounds like Spruce is the go-to place, then.
My fabric guy (yeah, I've got a fabric guy) is willing to try Stewart
System glue, so I think we'll give that a shot. That plus Wienerdog
Aero's Latex painting technique, & we should be good to go. :-)
Charlie
On 4/10/2017 9:15 PM, Hoppy wrote:
>
> Haven't checked in a while..but think A/C spruce can ship Poly Fiber
> chemicals with no haz material charge...? Herb
>
>
> On 04/10/2017 09:10 PM, Hoppy wrote:
>>
>> Yep..Peel ply... around 5 bucks a yard...1.7 or 2.6. Herb
>>
>>
>> On 04/10/2017 06:45 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>>> Anyone using a covering supplier that's better (cheaper, better
>>> service, etc) than A/C Spruce?
>>
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Subject: | Re: covering supplier? |
Joe
Wondering if Fastbond would work with the Acetone,MEK based Poly
Fiber products? I still have a quart of Poly Tac...but might use it
for my next project...Herb
On 04/11/2017 07:27 AM, mojavjoe@comcast.net wrote:
> Charlie
>
> Another tip, buy Fastbond NF Green on Amazon, it's the same adhesive
> as Stewart at half the price
>
> Joe
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Charlie England" <ceengland7@gmail.com>
> *To: *"kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, April 10, 2017 11:53:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
>
>
> Sounds like Spruce is the go-to place, then.
>
> My fabric guy (yeah, I've got a fabric guy) is willing to try Stewart
> System glue, so I think we'll give that a shot. That plus Wienerdog
> Aero's Latex painting technique, & we should be good to go. :-)
>
> Charlie
>
> On 4/10/2017 9:15 PM, Hoppy wrote:
> >
> > Haven't checked in a while..but think A/C spruce can ship Poly Fiber
> > chemicals with no haz material charge...? Herb
> >
> >
> > On 04/10/2017 09:10 PM, Hoppy wrote:
> >>
> >> Yep..Peel ply... around 5 bucks a yard...1.7 or 2.6. Herb
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/10/2017 06:45 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> >>> Anyone using a covering supplier that's better (cheaper, better
> >>> service, etc) than A/C Spruce?
> >>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: covering supplier? |
On Tue, 4/11/17, <mojavjoe@comcast.net> wrote:
"Fastbond NF Green -- half the price"
YEAH, baby :)
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Subject: | Re: covering supplier? |
What about this price... :)
https://www.evroberts.com/3m-24/fastbond-30-nf-green-1120/
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Tue, 4/11/17, <mojavjoe@comcast.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
To: "kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2017, 5:27 AM
Charlie
Another tip,buy Fastbond NF Green on
Amazon, it's the same adhesive as Stewartat half
the price
Joe
From:
"Charlie England"
<ceengland7@gmail.com>
To: "kolb-list"
<kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 11:53:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
<ceengland7@gmail.com>
Sounds like Spruce is the go-to place, then.
My fabric guy (yeah, I've got a fabric guy) is
willing to try Stewart
System glue, so I think we'll give that a shot. That
plus Wienerdog
Aero's Latex painting technique, & we should be good
to go. :-)
Charlie
On 4/10/2017 9:15 PM, Hoppy wrote:
<herbgh@nctc.com>
>
> Haven't checked in a while..but think A/C spruce
can ship Poly Fiber
> chemicals with no haz material charge...? Herb
>
>
> On 04/10/2017 09:10 PM, Hoppy wrote:
<herbgh@nctc.com>
>>
>> Yep..Peel ply... around 5 bucks a yard...1.7 or
2.6. Herb
>>
>>
>> On 04/10/2017 06:45 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>>> Anyone using a covering supplier that's
better (cheaper, better
>>> service, etc) than A/C Spruce?
>>
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Subject: | Re: covering supplier? |
Guess we need to get together on a quantity buy...:-) I will take a
quart with free shipping....:-) Herb
On 04/11/2017 09:23 AM, Bill Berle wrote:
>
> What about this price... :)
>
> https://www.evroberts.com/3m-24/fastbond-30-nf-green-1120/
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 4/11/17, <mojavjoe@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
> To: "kolb-list" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2017, 5:27 AM
>
> Charlie
>
> Another tip, buy Fastbond NF Green on
> Amazon, it's the same adhesive as Stewart at half
> the price
>
> Joe
>
> From:
> "Charlie England"
> <ceengland7@gmail.com>
> To: "kolb-list"
> <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 11:53:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
>
> <ceengland7@gmail.com>
>
> Sounds like Spruce is the go-to place, then.
>
> My fabric guy (yeah, I've got a fabric guy) is
> willing to try Stewart
> System glue, so I think we'll give that a shot. That
> plus Wienerdog
> Aero's Latex painting technique, & we should be good
> to go. :-)
>
> Charlie
>
> On 4/10/2017 9:15 PM, Hoppy wrote:
> <herbgh@nctc.com>
> >
> > Haven't checked in a while..but think A/C spruce
> can ship Poly Fiber
> > chemicals with no haz material charge...? Herb
> >
> >
> > On 04/10/2017 09:10 PM, Hoppy wrote:
> <herbgh@nctc.com>
> >>
> >> Yep..Peel ply... around 5 bucks a yard...1.7 or
> 2.6. Herb
> >>
> >>
> >> On 04/10/2017 06:45 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> >>> Anyone using a covering supplier that's
> better (cheaper, better
> >>> service, etc) than A/C Spruce?
> >>
>
>
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> Dralle, List Adm========
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Subject: | Re: covering supplier? |
Hey Herb,
Looks like I might need to rethink that. Are you talking about this:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/cs/fabric/peelply3.php
vs this:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/cs/fabric/polyfiberuncertified.php
?
The peel ply doesn't have any thread count or strength specs on the Spruce
site, so I can't directly compare. Measurements indicate that I can
half-wrap the wing with a 5' width of the peel ply, so the extra foot of
Polyfiber would just get cut away, anyway.
Thanks,
Charlie
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks; I've heard of using regular polyester fabric. But at roughly a $3
> price delta, it's only a $40 spread for all the fabric I'll need.
>
> On 4/10/2017 9:10 PM, Hoppy wrote:
>
>>
>> Yep..Peel ply... around 5 bucks a yard...1.7 or 2.6. Herb
>>
>>
>> On 04/10/2017 06:45 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone using a covering supplier that's better (cheaper, better service,
>>> etc) than A/C Spruce?
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Subject: | Re: covering supplier? |
the heavier fabric is much easier to work with imho.. 2.7 peel
ply...just need to be careful tautening the fabric on the wings..
Interestingly...the older Challengers had no bottom rib runners...and
the fabric just layed across the front and real spar.. root rib to wing
tip!! a real flap in the breeze...I can imagine hitting a duck and
having a real problem...not so much with a Kolb...Herb
On 04/11/2017 11:57 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> Hey Herb,
>
> Looks like I might need to rethink that. Are you talking about this:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/cs/fabric/peelply3.php
> vs this:
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/cs/fabric/polyfiberuncertified.php
>
> ?
>
> The peel ply doesn't have any thread count or strength specs on the
> Spruce site, so I can't directly compare. Measurements indicate that I
> can half-wrap the wing with a 5' width of the peel ply, so the extra
> foot of Polyfiber would just get cut away, anyway.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Charlie England
> <ceengland7@gmail.com <mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks; I've heard of using regular polyester fabric. But at
> roughly a $3 price delta, it's only a $40 spread for all the
> fabric I'll need.
>
> On 4/10/2017 9:10 PM, Hoppy wrote:
>
> <mailto:herbgh@nctc.com>>
>
> Yep..Peel ply... around 5 bucks a yard...1.7 or 2.6. Herb
>
>
> On 04/10/2017 06:45 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>
> Anyone using a covering supplier that's better (cheaper,
> better service, etc) than A/C Spruce?
>
>
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Subject: | Re: covering supplier? |
Bill
I 'm reusing a pair of wings. I've already recovered one wing using the Stewart
system and painted it along the lines of Weiner Dog, except I'm painting art
scenes on the wings so more paint than normal. Weighed recovered wing against
wing with old poly fiber. The new wing only weighed 3 oz more
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Berle" <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 10:23:33 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
What about this price... :)
https://www.evroberts.com/3m-24/fastbond-30-nf-green-1120/
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 4/11/17, <mojavjoe@comcast.net> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
Charlie
Another tip, buy Fastbond NF Green on
Amazon, it's the same adhesive as Stewart at half
the price
Joe
From:
"Charlie England"
<ceengland7@gmail.com>
<kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 11:53:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
<ceengland7@gmail.com>
Sounds like Spruce is the go-to place, then.
My fabric guy (yeah, I've got a fabric guy) is
willing to try Stewart
System glue, so I think we'll give that a shot. That
plus Wienerdog
Aero's Latex painting technique, & we should be good
to go. :-)
Charlie
On 4/10/2017 9:15 PM, Hoppy wrote:
<herbgh@nctc.com>
>
> Haven't checked in a while..but think A/C spruce
can ship Poly Fiber
> chemicals with no haz material charge...? Herb
>
>
> On 04/10/2017 09:10 PM, Hoppy wrote:
<herbgh@nctc.com>
>>
>> Yep..Peel ply... around 5 bucks a yard...1.7 or
2.6. Herb
>>
>>
>> On 04/10/2017 06:45 PM, Charlie England wrote:
>>> Anyone using a covering supplier that's
better (cheaper, better
>>> service, etc) than A/C Spruce?
>>
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Subject: | covering supplier? |
Kolbers:
I have never been one to mix and match when it came to covering an
aircraft. Always used the Stitts/Polyfiber process.
I never forget the unforgiving environment us aviators play.
Always sad when I think of Steve Whitman and his wife dying because of a
covering mix and match mistake.
Realize it cost more to use the Polyfiber process, but am also
comfortable knowing it'll be there for a long time. My right wing and
most of my tail section is 26 year old Stitts process. Left wing is 16
years old.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | covering supplier? |
John,
Nail, Head, direct hit!
I think the latex system that Malcom has come up with is a good system
and if I had the patience and skill to do all that wet sanding I might
have gone that route.
As much as I enjoyed building my Firefly, the goal was to fly!
Don=99t mix processes and follow the instructions for the process
you use.
Stuart
Do not archive
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
Kolbers:
I have never been one to mix and match when it came to covering an
aircraft. Always used the Stitts/Polyfiber process.
I never forget the unforgiving environment us aviators play.
Always sad when I think of Steve Whitman and his wife dying because of a
covering mix and match mistake.
Realize it cost more to use the Polyfiber process, but am also
comfortable knowing it'll be there for a long time. My right wing and
most of my tail section is 26 year old Stitts process. Left wing is 16
years old.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Subject: | covering supplier? |
I asked Malcom about this at OSH a few years back. He said the weight is almost
identical. He can sure put a beautiful finish on fabric!
This is the perfect system for those who:
Want to work without the "stink"
Save money.
Have more time than I do....
Stuart
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
Do a little research, the latex may be heavier than some other systems.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 4/10/17, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: covering supplier?
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, April 10, 2017, 8:53 PM
Sounds like Spruce is the go-to place,
then.
My fabric guy (yeah, I've got a fabric
guy) is willing to try Stewart
System glue, so I think we'll give that a shot. That plus Wienerdog Aero's Latex
painting technique, & we should be good to go. :-)
Charlie
On 4/10/2017 9:15 PM, Hoppy wrote:
> --> Kolb-List message posted
by: Hoppy <herbgh@nctc.com>
>
> Haven't checked in a while..but
think A/C spruce can ship Poly Fiber
> chemicals with no haz material
charge...? Herb
>
>
> On 04/10/2017 09:10 PM, Hoppy
wrote:
>> --> Kolb-List message
posted by: Hoppy <herbgh@nctc.com>
>>
>> Yep..Peel ply... around 5
bucks a yard...1.7 or 2.6. Herb
>>
>>
>> On 04/10/2017 06:45 PM,
Charlie England wrote:
>>> Anyone using a covering
supplier that's better (cheaper, better >>> service, etc) than A/C Spruce?
>>
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I appreciate the caution, and I'm not that prone to stray where no one's
been before, either. I did order Poly brand cloth (polyester), and the
Stewart System glue.Both the latex finishing technique, and the Stewart
adhesive have been around for a long time, so I'm comfortable with those
decisions.
The Steve Whitman story, as I remember it, was that he switched from the
old 'dope' and course weave fabric to the newer process. The story I heard
was that the dope & course weave allowed you to position the fabric and
then just apply dope to the outside, and it soaked through to the ribs. But
the new, finer weave fabric & adhesive required applying the adhesive
directly to the ribs, positioning the fabric, and then applying additional
adhesive over the fabric, because the weave was too tight for the adhesive
to easily soak through. Again, as I remember it, he mixed *techniques*; not
the actual chemicals. By only applying the adhesive on the outside, only a
minimal amount made it through to the ribs.
Those with better memories, feel free to correct me if I'm mis-remembering.
Charlie
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:43 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Kolbers:
>
>
> I have never been one to mix and match when it came to covering an
> aircraft. Always used the Stitts/Polyfiber process.
>
>
> I never forget the unforgiving environment us aviators play.
>
>
> Always sad when I think of Steve Whitman and his wife dying because of a
> covering mix and match mistake.
>
>
> Realize it cost more to use the Polyfiber process, but am also comfortable
> knowing it'll be there for a long time. My right wing and most of my tail
> section is 26 year old Stitts process. Left wing is 16 years old.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
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Subject: | Re: covering supplier? |
I appreciate the caution, and I'm not that prone to stray where no one's
been before, either. I did order Poly brand cloth (polyester), and the
Stewart System glue.Both the latex finishing technique, and the Stewart
adhesive have been around for a long time, so I'm comfortable with those
decisions.
The Steve Whitman story, as I remember it, was that he switched from the
old 'dope' and course weave fabric to the newer process. The story I heard
was that the dope & course weave allowed you to position the fabric and
then just apply dope to the outside, and it soaked through to the ribs. But
the new, finer weave fabric & adhesive required applying the adhesive
directly to the ribs, positioning the fabric, and then applying additional
adhesive over the fabric, because the weave was too tight for the adhesive
to easily soak through. Again, as I remember it, he mixed *techniques*; not
the actual chemicals. By only applying the adhesive on the outside, only a
minimal amount made it through to the ribs.
Those with better memories, feel free to correct me if I'm mis-remembering.
Charlie
On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 2:43 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> Kolbers:
>
>
> I have never been one to mix and match when it came to covering an
> aircraft. Always used the Stitts/Polyfiber process.
>
>
> I never forget the unforgiving environment us aviators play.
>
>
> Always sad when I think of Steve Whitman and his wife dying because of a
> covering mix and match mistake.
>
>
> Realize it cost more to use the Polyfiber process, but am also comfortable
> knowing it'll be there for a long time. My right wing and most of my tail
> section is 26 year old Stitts process. Left wing is 16 years old.
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
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