Kolb-List Digest Archive

Thu 04/27/17


Total Messages Posted: 8



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 07:11 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/26/17 (B Young)
     2. 08:44 AM - Re: aileron gap seal: when? (Frankd)
     3. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: aileron gap seal: when? (John Hauck)
     4. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/26/17 (Charlie England)
     5. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: aileron gap seal: when? (Charlie England)
     6. 11:26 AM - Re: Gap Seal (Bill Berle)
     7. 11:34 AM - Re: Re: aileron gap seal: when? (Bill Berle)
     8. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: aileron gap seal: when? (John Hauck)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:11:18 AM PST US
    From: B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/26/17
    Clip Hi John, Thanks for the info. Your description is how I'm reading the plans. But I'm not sure how to manage a 12' aileron (flaperon) and a 15' wing when I'll need to flip the assembly numerous times while applying multiple finish coats, and keep the two components aligned well enough to avoid peeling off the gap seal from at least one side. Charlie End clip Another option...... Place a few clekos in the hinge when moving / turning the wing, remove to paint. Boyd Young mkiii utah


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    Time: 08:44:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: aileron gap seal: when?
    From: "Frankd" <FDucker@aol.com>
    Hi Charlie/John, The instructions for my MkIII Xtra was to complete the wing and attach the ailerons. Then use two strips of 3M Book tape, 3 inch wide, that are overlapped upon each other with about one inch of sticky side tape exposed. This will give you a one inch sticky edge facing down on one side and up on the opposite side. Then you stick this "Modified tape" to the bottom of the wing and top of the aileron , bridging the gap between the wing and Aileron. I also did the exact same on the horizontal stab and elevators. It still works great and looks fine. (I think it was bottom of wing and top of aileron but it could be the other way round) This is another option.. and can be done when all else is finished.. I just cleaned the surface well and used tack cloth to make sure no dust , etc , was trapped in the tape. My 2 cents.. FrankD MkIII Xtra, hollister Ca. PS.. I have decided to sell my Kolb , in case anyone is interested.. want to give this list the first notification before I post in Barnstormers. Cheers. Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468850#468850


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    Time: 08:54:52 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: aileron gap seal: when?
    Tape is ok, I guess. Finishing tape is much more permanent. I've got serviceable gap seals after 25 years and more than 3400 hours service. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frankd Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:45 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: aileron gap seal: when? Hi Charlie/John, The instructions for my MkIII Xtra was to complete the wing and attach the ailerons. Then use two strips of 3M Book tape, 3 inch wide, that are overlapped upon each other with about one inch of sticky side tape exposed. This will give you a one inch sticky edge facing down on one side and up on the opposite side. Then you stick this "Modified tape" to the bottom of the wing and top of the aileron , bridging the gap between the wing and Aileron. I also did the exact same on the horizontal stab and elevators. It still works great and looks fine. (I think it was bottom of wing and top of aileron but it could be the other way round) This is another option.. and can be done when all else is finished.. I just cleaned the surface well and used tack cloth to make sure no dust , etc , was trapped in the tape. My 2 cents.. FrankD MkIII Xtra, hollister Ca. PS.. I have decided to sell my Kolb , in case anyone is interested.. want to give this list the first notification before I post in Barnstormers. Cheers. Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468850#468850


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    Time: 10:52:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/26/17
    From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
    On 4/27/2017 9:10 AM, B Young wrote: > > Clip > Hi John, > > Thanks for the info. Your description is how I'm reading the plans. But > I'm not sure how to manage a 12' aileron (flaperon) and a 15' wing when > I'll need to flip the assembly numerous times while applying multiple > finish coats, and keep the two components aligned well enough to avoid > peeling off the gap seal from at least one side. > > Charlie > End clip > > Another option...... Place a few clekos in the hinge when moving / > turning the wing, remove to paint. > > Boyd Young mkiii utah > Thanks; that's occurred to me, but painting them separately would be a lot easier to do solo. I'll file it as an option. Charlie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus


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    Time: 10:59:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: aileron gap seal: when?
    From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
    On 4/27/2017 10:54 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > Tape is ok, I guess. > > Finishing tape is much more permanent. I've got serviceable gap seals after > 25 years and more than 3400 hours service. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frankd > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:45 AM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: aileron gap seal: when? > > > Hi Charlie/John, > > The instructions for my MkIII Xtra was to complete the wing and attach the > ailerons. Then use two strips of 3M Book tape, 3 inch wide, that are > overlapped upon each other with about one inch of sticky side tape exposed. > This will give you a one inch sticky edge facing down on one side and up on > the opposite side. > > Then you stick this "Modified tape" to the bottom of the wing and top of the > aileron , bridging the gap between the wing and Aileron. I also did the > exact same on the horizontal stab and elevators. > It still works great and looks fine. > > (I think it was bottom of wing and top of aileron but it could be the other > way round) > > This is another option.. and can be done when all else is finished.. I > just cleaned the surface well and used tack cloth to make sure no dust , etc > , was trapped in the tape. > > My 2 cents.. > > > FrankD > > MkIII Xtra, hollister Ca. > > PS.. I have decided to sell my Kolb , in case anyone is interested.. want > to give this list the first notification before I post in Barnstormers. > > Cheers. Thanks, Frank; another option to have in my pocket. Is this a clear tape, or reinforced, or...? Any UV degradation over time? Charlie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus


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    Time: 11:26:23 AM PST US
    From: Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Gap Seal
    There are several other types of gap seals that are less troublesome than the aircraft fabric style. 2 or 3 inch wide strips of thin plastic can be attached to the underside of the wing with double-stick tape, attached to the wing trailing edge only, with the other edge of the plastic sliding against the bottom of the aileron as it moves. The higher air pressure under the wing pushes the plastic up against the aileron, forming a perfect seal. A certain type of shelf paper or plastic first aid tape can be used to make a "tape" seal. All you have to do is install the tape in such a way that full deflection of the aileron does not stretch or tension the tape across the gap. Any old broken down model airplane builder (guilty, your honor) can show you how to do this. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/27/17, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 04/26/17 To: kolb-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, April 27, 2017, 10:54 AM England <ceengland7@gmail.com> On 4/27/2017 9:10 AM, B Young wrote: > > Clip > Hi John, > > Thanks for the info. Your description is how I'm reading the plans. But > I'm not sure how to manage a 12' aileron (flaperon) and a 15' wing when > I'll need to flip the assembly numerous times while applying multiple > finish coats, and keep the two components aligned well enough to avoid > peeling off the gap seal from at least one side. > > Charlie > End clip > > Another option...... Place a few clekos in the hinge when moving / > turning the wing, remove to paint. > > Boyd Young mkiii utah > Thanks; that's occurred to me, but painting them separately would be a lot easier to do solo. I'll file it as an option. Charlie --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus The Kolb-List Email Forum - Navigator to browse List Un/Subscription, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - via the Web Forums! - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - Email List Wiki! - List Contribution Web Site - support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin.


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    Time: 11:34:24 AM PST US
    From: Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: aileron gap seal: when?
    "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > Finishing tape is much more permanent. I've got serviceable gap seals after > 25 years and more than 3400 hours service. Absolutely true, a "Tape seal" is something that will have to be replaced every few years. But it is quick and easy and cheap to do.


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    Time: 12:48:13 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: aileron gap seal: when?
    Bill B/Kolbers: Tape is "quick and easy". I don't know that a couple strips of finishing tape is all that expensive. Takes a little more time, but trim tape looks a lot more professional and 25 times more serviceable if I based that opinion on changing out sticky tape once a year. There is more involved in replacing old tape that simply pulling off the old and sticking on the new. There's the matter of cleaning up the old tape residue that seems to remain more on the fabric than on the tape. I have yet to see any sticky tape stay stuck when used as a gap seal, especially in the area of that pusher prop. I took a great deal of time and pride in my airplanes. It paid off. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: aileron gap seal: when? "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > Finishing tape is much more permanent. I've got serviceable gap seals after > 25 years and more than 3400 hours service. Absolutely true, a "Tape seal" is something that will have to be replaced every few years. But it is quick and easy and cheap to do.




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