---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/04/17: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:47 AM - Re: Tires and Inner Tubes (George Helton) 2. 05:51 AM - Re: Tires and Inner Tubes (west1m) 3. 06:03 AM - Re: Tires and Inner Tubes (B Young) 4. 06:07 AM - Stuff happens (B Young) 5. 06:30 AM - Re: Stuff happens (west1m) 6. 09:51 AM - Re: 447 & prop for sale, need a 277 prop (Richard Pike) 7. 09:52 AM - Re: Tires and Inner Tubes (Bill Berle) 8. 12:05 PM - Re: Tires and Inner Tubes (Rick Neilsen) 9. 12:29 PM - Re: Tires and Inner Tubes (Bill Berle) 10. 01:49 PM - Re: Tires and Inner Tubes (Larry Cottrell) 11. 01:54 PM - Re: Tires and Inner Tubes (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:43 AM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires and Inner Tubes Okay, it was just a suggestion. I also run split rims. I think mine are made by Hager and they have an o-ring that seals around split on the inside of t he wheel which allow you to run tubeless tires. I also have run tubeless on M atco aluminum wheels. Here's a picture of my current setup. George H. Firestar 1, #FS100 14GDH gdhelton@gmail.com Mesick, Michigan Have a great day! > On May 4, 2017, at 2:21 AM, Bill Berle wrote: > > > I had not thought of tubeless, only because I want to be able to change a t ube out in the field if it becomes necessary. This requires a split rim, whi ch does not allow tubeless mounting. > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-pro fit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 5/3/17, George Helton wrote: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires and Inner Tubes > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 2:47 PM > > Helton > > Bill, have you considered going > tubeless. A little less weight and a lot less hassle. Just a > suggestion. > George H. > Firestar 1, #FS100 > 14GDH > gdhelton@gmail.com > Have a great day! > >> On May 3, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Bill > Berle > wrote: >> >> --> Kolb-List message posted > by: Bill Berle >> >> Hi Kolbers, >> >> One of the (many) options I'm > looking at for tires is to start off with the "usual > suspects" (Carlisle Turf Glide 8.00 x 6) for the initial > flights and familiarization... and then go to the larger > "bush" tires after I have some experience in the airplane. >> >> The Carlisle tires are less > expensive, so if I tear them up or puncture them while I'm > learning how a Kolb flies it will set me back less money. >> >> But I cannot figure out what inner > tube to use with these tires, and the local tire shop tells > me they can get the tires but not the matching Carlisle > inner tubes. >> >> Wal Mart's website shows a whole > lot of inner tubes, but I can't seem to find the one for > 8.00 x 6 tires. >> >> Even Carlisle's website does not > appear to list an 8.00 x 6 inner tube. >> >> If I do start off with the Turf > Glide tire, which make and model inner tube is the best for > it? >> >> Bill Berle >> www.ezflaphandle.com - > safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft >> www.grantstar.net > - winning proposals for non-profit and > for-profit entities >> >> >> >> > > The Kolb-List Email Forum - > Navigator to browse > List Un/Subscription, > 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > via the Web Forums! > - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > Email List Wiki! > - List Contribution Web Site - > support! > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Tires and Inner Tubes From: "west1m" lcottrell wrote: > Of all the things that you might break or ruin learning to fly a Kolb, > tires are the last things that will suffer. I still have the original > tires that came with my plane. > > Larry Yup , But stuff does happen... -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468963#468963 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flattire_118.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:22 AM PST US From: B Young Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires and Inner Tubes The old matco was split rim and has a tubeless option. The new style matco rims don't have a temp place for the oring while bolting together the halves. You may have to bolt it together, then stretch the oring over a half. But I don't see a reason it won't work. Boyd Young ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:45 AM PST US From: B Young Subject: Kolb-List: Stuff happens I see a flat tire,,,, what made it go flat??? and what was required to fix it??? One more question in 2 parts, what tire and rim??? Boyd Young ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Stuff happens From: "west1m" The rim and tire were the ones from the "Black Max " brake kit , The rim was their wider of the two options. The hole was a just a generic puncture from something on the runway. As for the repair, I had to use the courtesy car go into town buy a tire, ratchet, extension, socket, two screwdrivers, and lunch. installing it I had to throw about 4 bucks in to the quarter jar if you know what that means. -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468966#468966 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 447 & prop for sale, need a 277 prop From: "Richard Pike" The engine is no longer for sale, got a buyer. Thanks guys. Matt: you can delete this thread if you wish. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=468975#468975 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:37 AM PST US From: Bill Berle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires and Inner Tubes On Wed, 5/3/17, Larry Cottrell wrote: > " If your primary use as I suspect will be on civilized runways the 800X6 would be a good choice. > CIVILIZED ??? Well I've never been so insulted in all my life! :) My whole reason for wanting a Kolb was to go out away from the city and explore the non-civilized world. In Southern California we of course don't have much of the swampy and rocky riverbed type of stuff they have up in Alaska. But I was truly hoping to get as far off-road as is practicable (and safe) within the limitations of this part of the country. Flying my old 172 around on the lunch run, even within the boundaries of Los Angeles County, I've seen hundreds of exotic places where I thought I might be able to land in a STOL type ultralight. My home base is indeed a paved municipal airport; even the tiny little minimalist 12 inch Part 103 ultralight wheels will work there. It's the destinations and places where there is no runway, even a road, that I want to be able to visit safely.... and then get back out in one piece :) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:22 PM PST US From: Rick Neilsen Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires and Inner Tubes Bill/All I have the Matco split wheels that came with the O ring. In practice I wasn't able to keep air in the in the tires in tube less mode so I put tubes in the tires. I not saying tubes are the answer as I have had to replace tubes a few times. One time at airventure I landed with a totally flat tire. John W almost landed on top of me because I stopped so quick. The repair shop at airventure had a bead breaker that is absolutely mandatory in getting the tire off the bead on my Matco wheels. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > On Wed, 5/3/17, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > " If your primary use as I suspect will be on civilized runways the > 800X6 would be a good choice. > > > CIVILIZED ??? Well I've never been so insulted in all my life! :) > > My whole reason for wanting a Kolb was to go out away from the city and > explore the non-civilized world. In Southern California we of course don't > have much of the swampy and rocky riverbed type of stuff they have up in > Alaska. But I was truly hoping to get as far off-road as is practicable > (and safe) within the limitations of this part of the country. Flying my > old 172 around on the lunch run, even within the boundaries of Los Angeles > County, I've seen hundreds of exotic places where I thought I might be able > to land in a STOL type ultralight. > > My home base is indeed a paved municipal airport; even the tiny little > minimalist 12 inch Part 103 ultralight wheels will work there. It's the > destinations and places where there is no runway, even a road, that I want > to be able to visit safely.... and then get back out in one piece :) > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:43 PM PST US From: Bill Berle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires and Inner Tubes Thanks Rick, that is exactly what I was afraid of... having to carry a bead breaker in the back of a Firestar to fix a tire :) I changed the tire on my 172 a week ago with nothing more than jumping on the tire to get the bead loose. Granted that when powered by gravity my corpulent a** generates quite a bit more force than an FAA 170 pound pilot. Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 5/4/17, Rick Neilsen wrote: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires and Inner Tubes To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" Date: Thursday, May 4, 2017, 11:59 AM Bill/All I have the Matco split wheels that came with the O ring. In practice I wasn't able to keep air in the in the tires in tube less mode so I put tubes in the tires. I not saying tubes are the answer as I have had to replace tubes a few times. One time at airventure I landed with a totally flat tire. John W almost landed on top of me because I stopped so quick. The repair shop at airventure had a bead breaker that is absolutely mandatory in getting the tire off the bead on my Matco wheels. Rick NeilsenRedrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Bill Berle wrote: Bill Berle On Wed, 5/3/17, Larry Cottrell wrote: > " If your primary use as I suspect will be on civilized runways the 800X6 would be a good choice. > CIVILIZED ??? Well I've never been so insulted in all my life! :) My whole reason for wanting a Kolb was to go out away from the city and explore the non-civilized world. In Southern California we of course don't have much of the swampy and rocky riverbed type of stuff they have up in Alaska. But I was truly hoping to get as far off-road as is practicable (and safe) within the limitations of this part of the country. Flying my old 172 around on the lunch run, even within the boundaries of Los Angeles County, I've seen hundreds of exotic places where I thought I might be able to land in a STOL type ultralight. My home base is indeed a paved municipal airport; even the tiny little minimalist 12 inch Part 103 ultralight wheels will work there. It's the destinations and places where there is no runway, even a road, that I want to be able to visit safely.... and then get back out in one piece :) ================= ============================== = -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Kolb-List ==== ============================== = FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com ==== ============================== = WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com ==== ============================== = b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/ contribution ==== ============================== = ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:41 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires and Inner Tubes OK, then in that case there is no need to spend your money on anything other than what you want to end up with. I wouldn't worry about tearing up tires. The plane doesn't weigh enough to cause much wear on what ever tires you decide on. I have spent much more on gear legs than tires over my 20 year flying career. Larry On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Bill Berle wrote: > > On Wed, 5/3/17, Larry Cottrell wrote: > >> " If your primary use as I suspect will be on civilized runways the 800X6 would be a good choice. >> > CIVILIZED ??? Well I've never been so insulted in all my life! :) > > My whole reason for wanting a Kolb was to go out away from the city and explore the non-civilized world. In Southern California we of course don't have much of the swampy and rocky riverbed type of stuff they have up in Alaska. But I was truly hoping to get as far off-road as is practicable (and safe) within the limitations of this part of the country. Flying my old 172 around on the lunch run, even within the boundaries of Los Angeles County, I've seen hundreds of exotic places where I thought I might be able to land in a STOL type ultralight. > > My home base is indeed a paved municipal airport; even the tiny little minimalist 12 inch Part 103 ultralight wheels will work there. It's the destinations and places where there is no runway, even a road, that I want to be able to visit safely.... and then get back out in one piece :) > > -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:53 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires and Inner Tubes For what its worth, I carry a can of "spare tire" right next to the Gorrilla tape, and tie downs. Better to have a tire that is out of balance than a flat one. A bicycle pump, ( the long slim ones that they used to put on 10 speed bikes) is not a bad back country companion as well. Larry On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Bill Berle wrote: > > Thanks Rick, that is exactly what I was afraid of... having to carry a bead breaker in the back of a Firestar to fix a tire :) > > I changed the tire on my 172 a week ago with nothing more than jumping on the tire to get the bead loose. > > Granted that when powered by gravity my corpulent a** generates quite a bit more force than an FAA 170 pound pilot. > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 5/4/17, Rick Neilsen wrote: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tires and Inner Tubes > To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" > Date: Thursday, May 4, 2017, 11:59 AM > > Bill/All > I have the Matco split wheels that > came with the O ring. In practice I wasn't able to keep > air in the in the tires in tube less mode so I put tubes in > the tires. I not saying tubes are the answer as I have had > to replace tubes a few times. One time at airventure I > landed with a totally flat tire. John W almost landed on top > of me because I stopped so quick. The repair shop at > airventure had a bead breaker that is absolutely mandatory > in getting the tire off the bead on my Matco > wheels. > Rick NeilsenRedrive VW Powered > MKIIIC > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at > 12:52 PM, Bill Berle > wrote: > Bill Berle > > > On Wed, 5/3/17, Larry > Cottrell > wrote: > > > > " If your primary use as I suspect will be on > civilized runways the 800X6 would be a good choice. > > > > > CIVILIZED ??? Well I've never been so insulted in > all my life! :) > > > My whole reason for wanting a Kolb was to go out away from > the city and explore the non-civilized world. In Southern > California we of course don't have much of the swampy > and rocky riverbed type of stuff they have up in Alaska. But > I was truly hoping to get as far off-road as is practicable > (and safe) within the limitations of this part of the > country. Flying my old 172 around on the lunch run, even > within the boundaries of Los Angeles County, I've seen > hundreds of exotic places where I thought I might be able to > land in a STOL type ultralight. > > > My home base is indeed a paved municipal airport; even the > tiny little minimalist 12 inch Part 103 ultralight wheels > will work there. It's the destinations and places where > there is no runway, even a road, that I want to be able to > visit safely.... and then get back out in one piece :) > > ================= ============================== = > > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/ > Navigator?Kolb-List > > ==== ============================== = > > FORUMS - > > eferrer" > target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > > ==== ============================== = > > WIKI - > > errer" > target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > > ==== ============================== = > > b Site - > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/ > contribution > > ==== ============================== = > > -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others. 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