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Wed 05/24/17


Total Messages Posted: 5



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     1. 02:50 AM - Re: Fuel Pump (Richard Girard)
     2. 04:51 AM - Re: Fuel Pump (George Helton)
     3. 05:07 AM - Re: Fuel Pump (John Hauck)
     4. 07:15 AM - Re: Fuel Pump (B Young)
     5. 04:24 PM - Re: Fuel Pump (George Helton)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:50:38 AM PST US
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
    12 volts DC is 12 volts DC. Yes, it should work but you'd lose the advantage the electric pump brings, getting fuel to the carb(s) for easy starting. You also wouldn't be able to hear the little Facet's "thump thump" that lets you know it's working. Rick On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:45 PM, George Helton <gdhelton@gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for all information you Kolbers posted on this fuel pump, facet > 40104. This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this > off of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a > battery? Thanks. > George H. > > Have a great day! > > On May 23, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote: > > What you want is model 40104. You can find the specs on all the Facet > pumps here: > > http://www.facet-purolator.com/cube-fuel-pumps.php > > Rick > > On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >> >> I think the max is 5 lbs, but the one that you mentioned is the one you >> need. >> Larry >> >> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:33 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote : >> > 2.5 to 3.0 psi Facet should work ok. I'd have to dig out the >> maintenance >> > manual to get the exact psi max. Important not to over pressurize the >> > floats and needles. >> > >> > >> > >> > john h >> > >> > mkIII >> > >> > Titus, AL >> > >> > >> > >> > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >> > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George >> Helton >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:20 PM >> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Pump >> > >> > >> > >> > Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a >> > particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax? >> > >> > >> > >> > George H. >> > >> > Firestar, FS#100 >> > >> > 14GDH >> > >> > Mesick, Mi >> > >> > gdhelton@gmail.com >> > >> > >> > >> > Have a great day! >> > >> > >> > On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diese l >> web >> > site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel >> > applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to >> 900,000 >> > pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours >> operation. >> > Impressed me. >> > >> > >> > >> > john h >> > >> > mkIII >> > >> > Titus, AL >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of >> others. >> >> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email >> address before sending. >> ======================== ==== >> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/ >> Navigator?Kolb-List >> ======================== =========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ======================== =========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ======================== =========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi on >> ======================== =========== >> >> >> >> > > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx > <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>


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    Time: 04:51:28 AM PST US
    From: George Helton <gdhelton@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
    Good information, Rick. Thanks! I think I'll order a pump. George Have a great day! > On May 24, 2017, at 5:50 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote: > > 12 volts DC is 12 volts DC. Yes, it should work but you'd lose the advanta ge the electric pump brings, getting fuel to the carb(s) for easy starting. Y ou also wouldn't be able to hear the little Facet's "thump thump" that lets y ou know it's working. > > Rick > >> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:45 PM, George Helton <gdhelton@gmail.com> wrot e: >> Thank you for all information you Kolbers posted on this fuel pump, facet 40104. This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this of f of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a batt ery? Thanks. >> George H. >> >> Have a great day! >> >>> On May 23, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> What you want is model 40104. You can find the specs on all the Facet pu mps here: >>> >>> http://www.facet-purolator.com/cube-fuel-pumps.php >>> >>> Rick >>> >>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.co m> wrote: m> >>>> >>>> I think the max is 5 lbs, but the one that you mentioned is the one you need. >>>> Larry >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:33 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrot e: >>>> > 2.5 to 3.0 psi Facet should work ok. I'd have to dig out the mainten ance >>>> > manual to get the exact psi max. Important not to over pressurize th e >>>> > floats and needles. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > john h >>>> > >>>> > mkIII >>>> > >>>> > Titus, AL >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com >>>> > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Hel ton >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:20 PM >>>> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>>> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Pump >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a >>>> > particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax? >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > George H. >>>> > >>>> > Firestar, FS#100 >>>> > >>>> > 14GDH >>>> > >>>> > Mesick, Mi >>>> > >>>> > gdhelton@gmail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Have a great day! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Dies el web >>>> > site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel >>>> > applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 90 0,000 >>>> > pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operat ion. >>>> > Impressed me. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > john h >>>> > >>>> > mkIII >>>> > >>>> > Titus, AL >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of o thers. >>>> >>>> If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email >>>> address before sending. >>>> === >>>> -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Na vigator?Kolb-List >>>> ========== >>>> FORUMS - >>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>>> ========== >>>> WIKI - >>>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>>> ========== >>>> b Site - >>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light. =9D Groucho Marx >>> >>> > > > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx > >


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    Time: 05:07:03 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Fuel Pump
    Install a small battery, a Facet fuel pump, and get rid of the squeeze bulb. john h mkIII Titus, AL From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 6:46 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Pump Good information, Rick. Thanks! I think I'll order a pump. George Have a great day! On May 24, 2017, at 5:50 AM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote: 12 volts DC is 12 volts DC. Yes, it should work but you'd lose the advantage the electric pump brings, getting fuel to the carb(s) for easy starting. You also wouldn't be able to hear the little Facet's "thump thump" that lets you know it's working. Rick On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:45 PM, George Helton <gdhelton@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you for all information you Kolbers posted on this fuel pump, facet 40104. This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this off of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a battery? Thanks. George H. Have a great day! On May 23, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote: What you want is model 40104. You can find the specs on all the Facet pumps here: http://www.facet-purolator.com/cube-fuel-pumps.php Rick On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote: <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> I think the max is 5 lbs, but the one that you mentioned is the one you need. Larry On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:33 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > 2.5 to 3.0 psi Facet should work ok. I'd have to dig out the maintenance > manual to get the exact psi max. Important not to over pressurize the > floats and needles. > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, AL > > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:20 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Pump > > > Hi guys, these facet fuel pump are something new for me. Is there a > particular model I should use to feed a 377 Rotax? > > > George H. > > Firestar, FS#100 > > 14GDH > > Mesick, Mi > > gdhelton@gmail.com > > > Have a great day! > > > On May 23, 2017, at 6:01 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote: > > > I was trying to find out how Facets operate and discovered a Cat Diesel web > site. Didn't know it, but Cat uses Facets on some of their diesel > applications. They were explaining that Facet produces 800,000 to 900,000 > pumps a year. They also recommend replacing at 10,000.0 hours operation. > Impressed me. > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, AL > > -- The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others. If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending. === -List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List FORUMS - eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com WIKI - errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com b Site - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> Groucho Marx -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx> Groucho Marx


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    Time: 07:15:37 AM PST US
    From: B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
    George I think that you could run the fuel pump on the regulator without a battery...... BUT ...... information i learned about the voltage regulator is they do better (don't burn out as easily) if they have a small constant load. Charging the battery creates a constant load on the regulator... Another easy way is to run some lights on the voltage regulator output. With or without a battery, you should still have a capasitor to smooth out the voltage spikes. Boyd Young Clip This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this off of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a battery? Thanks. > George H. >


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    Time: 04:24:24 PM PST US
    From: George Helton <gdhelton@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel Pump
    Thanks, Boyd. I just ordered a new voltage regulator, 40104 Facet fuel pump a nd the small battery that George A. Suggested. I appreciate all the input th at you guys have given me. Hope test fly my Firestar (original) this Friday. Weather permitting. George H. Firestar, FS#100 14GDH gdhelton@gmail.com Have a great day! > On May 24, 2017, at 10:15 AM, B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote: > > George > I think that you could run the fuel pump on the regulator without a batter y...... BUT ...... information i learned about the voltage regulator is the y do better (don't burn out as easily) if they have a small constant load . Charging the battery creates a constant load on the regulator... Another easy way is to run some lights on the voltage regulator output. > With or without a battery, you should still have a capasitor to smooth ou t the voltage spikes. > > Boyd Young > > Clip > > This may seem like a strange question to most but. Can I run this off of a standard small Rotax rectified voltage regulator without using a battery? T hanks. > > George H. > >




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