---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/07/17: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:38 AM - Re: Test (Denny Baber) 2. 07:40 AM - Re: Test (George Helton) 3. 11:43 AM - Re: Lord Mounts? (Richard Pike) 4. 01:09 PM - Re: New from Utah (Roy Spangler) 5. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Lord Mounts? (George Helton) 6. 04:45 PM - Re: Lord Mounts? (japowell) 7. 07:47 PM - Re: Lord Mounts? (Richard Pike) 8. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: Lord Mounts? (william sullivan) 9. 07:59 PM - Re: Lord Mounts? (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:17 AM PST US From: Denny Baber Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test Arrived at Fort Myers, Florida Respectfully, Dennis Baber baberdk@gmail.com Stay Curious ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:40:01 AM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Test Arrived Mesick, Michigan! Have a great day! > On Jun 7, 2017, at 8:36 AM, Denny Baber wrote: > > Arrived at Fort Myers, Florida > > > Respectfully, > Dennis Baber > baberdk@gmail.com > > Stay Curious ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:38 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lord Mounts? From: "Richard Pike" I don't think the props are the problem. We have two props, and we balanced both of them before running the engine. We broke the engine in with the tractor, it was a 60 x 28 Tennessee prop, then took it off and switched to a 60 x 30 Arrowprop pusher, but it vibrated a lot worse and also over revved to 7,000. Go figure. I guess one man's 28" pitch and another man's 30" pitch don't necessarily have anything in common. Anyway, we put it together today and measured for the gap seal and a few other details, here are some pictures. Ordered a 20' endoscope that will fit the usb port on the laptop, next week we inspect the inside of the wings and if all looks good we repaint them. If it doesn't look good we recover them. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469880#469880 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050949_medium_137.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050951_medium_130.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050952_medium_347.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050953_medium_146.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050958_medium_808.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:00 PM PST US From: Roy Spangler Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New from Utah New Guy, Is it a ground adjustable prop ? Roy spangler@kirtland.edu On Thursday, June 1, 2017, B Young wrote: > How is the flying coming,,,, did you change the gear box or prop? > > Boyd mkiii > Brigham city Utah > > On Feb 6, 2017 8:39 AM, "Wayne Schneider" > wrote: > >> Hello fellow fliers, >> >> I've been lurking here for a few months and thought I should introduce >> myself. Name is Wayne Schneider and I live in Utah where the air is thick >> and cold, lol. >> Last summer I purchased N359RT which is a modified Twinstar Mark II with >> a Rotax 532. Yes, you read that correctly, it's the predecessor to the >> 582. SIngle ignition but otherwise very much the same. >> >> Unfortunately, it has a WarpDrive propeller whose MMI is too much for the >> A gearbox so I'll be swapping that out before summer. And, I need to do a >> complete inspection. Does anybody need a slightly used 3 blade 68" prop? >> >> New guy, >> Wayne >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:33 PM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lord Mounts? Nice pictures. And I know this may sound like less then intelligent question but, you said the props were both balanced so you might check the prop tracking tip to tip and you might put a dial indicator on the actual gearbox hub and check how much runout you have? Its just a suggestion of something that could be checked. I doubt that it's the lord mounts unless they are in really bad shape. Softer mounts would move around even more I would thing? George H. Firestar, #FS100 14GDH Mesick, Michigan Have a great day! > On Jun 7, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Richard Pike wrote: > > > I don't think the props are the problem. We have two props, and we balanced both of them before running the engine. We broke the engine in with the tractor, it was a 60 x 28 Tennessee prop, then took it off and switched to a 60 x 30 Arrowprop pusher, but it vibrated a lot worse and also over revved to 7,000. Go figure. I guess one man's 28" pitch and another man's 30" pitch don't necessarily have anything in common. > Anyway, we put it together today and measured for the gap seal and a few other details, here are some pictures. Ordered a 20' endoscope that will fit the usb port on the laptop, next week we inspect the inside of the wings and if all looks good we repaint them. If it doesn't look good we recover them. > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469880#469880 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050949_medium_137.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050951_medium_130.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050952_medium_347.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050953_medium_146.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1050958_medium_808.jpg > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lord Mounts? From: "japowell" Looking good Richard. What was the final weight? -------- Jim P WAR EAGLE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469889#469889 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lord Mounts? From: "Richard Pike" japowell wrote: > Looking good Richard. What was the final weight? Today while we had it all together, since we had a friend's deer weighing scale, we tried using that along with a chain hoist in my hangar to check the overall weight. So we hung the airplane from the hoist and the scale - showed that the airplane with a 277 was the same weight as it was with a 447. [Shocked] Really? But - the 277 is 20 pounds lighter! (Give the man back his scale) Will try some more upscale technology tomorrow (electronic scale in the garage, one wheel at a time) and hope for more accurate results. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=469891#469891 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:06 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lord Mounts? Uh... I don't suppose that friend of yours always gets the heaviest buck in the area? do not archive. Bill Sullivan -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 6/7/17, Richard Pike wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lord Mounts? To: kolb-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, June 7, 2017, 10:47 PM Pike" japowell wrote: > Looking good Richard. What was the final weight? Today while we had it all together, since we had a friend's deer weighing scale, we tried using that along with a chain hoist in my hangar to check the overall weight. So we hung the airplane from the hoist and the scale - showed that the airplane with a 277 was the same weight as it was with a 447. [Shocked] Really? But - the 277 is 20 pounds lighter! (Give the man back his scale) Will try some more upscale technology tomorrow (electronic scale in the garage, one wheel at a time) and hope for more accurate results. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:03 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lord Mounts? From: "Richard Pike" [quote] ="gdhelton(at)gmail.com" Nice pictures. And I know this may sound like less then intelligent question but, you said the props were both balanced so you might check the prop tracking tip to tip and you might put a dial indicator on the actual gearbox hub and check how much runout you have? George H. Firestar, #FS100 14GDH Mesick, Michigan Have a great day! [quote] Very true. And the Arrowprop did have too much runout, it would have needed to be shimmed. So yes, very much a factor in the vibration. But it has become a moot point; The Arrowprop revved to 7,000 (And it was sold with a 503 as part of a 2 seat Drifter kit ?!?!?) so we couldn't use it anyway. I ordered a new two blade 62" Ivoprop this afternoon. They said it will show up in 5 weeks, which gives us time to do a meticulous job of inspecting inside the wings and repainting them, and for me to spend some time riding the back roads on my NX 250. (Best ride I've ever had, and I've had quite a few) -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. 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