---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/12/17: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - Re: Gap seal (Mcabbage) 2. 05:28 AM - Re: Re: Gap seal (mojavjoe@comcast.net) 3. 06:11 AM - Re: Re: Gap seal (Charlie England) 4. 06:32 AM - Re: Twinstar fuel tank options (Charlie England) 5. 06:37 AM - elevator & aileron deflection angles? (Charlie England) 6. 07:08 AM - Re: elevator & aileron deflection angles? (Richard Pike) 7. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: elevator & aileron deflection angles? (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gap seal From: "Mcabbage" Pretty interesting. Thank you guys. -------- 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471780#471780 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:29 AM PST US From: mojavjoe@comcast.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gap seal I tried making the noodle gap seals but because of the way Kolb ailerons are hinged they pop out. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "wakataka" Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 9:22:48 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gap seal Brian Carpenter has come up with a great way to make gap seals from foam pool noodles. He pulls the noodles through a heated die. https://electricmotorglider.com/2017/07/15/57-80-10-large-gap-seal/ The resulting foam shape fits snugly between the aileron tube and the trailing edge of the wing and completely fills in the profile of the wing shape between the trailing edge and the aileron. -------- There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471770#471770 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:11:26 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gap seal They *look* like they would cause significantly increased control system drag, due to friction between/among the fixed & moving surfaces and the noodle. I guess that in some a/c designs, it might not be noticeable. On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 7:28 AM, wrote: > I tried making the noodle gap seals but because of the way Kolb ailerons > are hinged they pop out. > > Joe > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"wakataka" > *To: *"kolb-list" > *Sent: *Friday, August 11, 2017 9:22:48 PM > *Subject: *Kolb-List: Re: Gap seal > > > Brian Carpenter has come up with a great way to make gap seals from foam > pool noodles. He pulls the noodles through a heated die. > > https://electricmotorglider.com/2017/07/15/57-80-10-large-gap-seal/ > > The resulting foam shape fits snugly between the aileron tube and the > trailing edge of the wing and completely fills in the profile of the wing > shape between the trailing edge and the aileron. > > -------- > There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale > returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. > > Mark Twain > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471770#471770 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:11 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Twinstar fuel tank options Looks really nice, but they are quite proud of it. If you could have settled for 16 gal, you could have bought 2 ea 8 gal tanks for half what one of the Air-Tech 10 gal tanks costs ($30 each). US Plastic also has a 20 gal tank for ~$160. https://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23334&catid=934 Charlie On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 8:55 PM, Jim Thomson wrote: > Air-Tech Inc Ultralights sells a 10 gallon fuel tank. I purchased and > installed two tanks on my Kolb Mk3 and am very happy with the now 20 gall on > fuel capacity. > > https://www.air-techinc.com/product_detail.php?pid=1079 > > Jim > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Charlie England > wrote: > >> Yep; very early kit. Hard to visualize either under-wing or over-the-top >> fueling, with the fill neck a few inches under the wing. It's tempting t o >> mount that 8gal tank on the boom tube, under the engine, if it won't cau se >> cg issues. >> >> I enjoy acro, but I think I'll control the urge while flying this one. : -) >> >> Thanks for the insight. >> >> Sent from BlueMail >> On Jul 31, 2017, at 4:10 PM, George Helton wrote: >>> >>> >>> I think this a matter of personal preference. I prefer stationary mount ing. I don't enjoy restrapping a heavy tank back in place every time. You m ust have an original Twinstar. The Twinstar MKII like I built had the fuel tanks (2) mounted behind you with a covered firewall so they really couldn 't be removed. >>> In the early days, 1983, ultralighters who flew Phantoms and Avengers u se to use top feeders with flexible fuel hose inside the the tank with weig hted ends on them for aerobatics and inverted flight . The fuel pickup hose could move from bottom air feeder to top feeder. They also equipped the en gines with pumper type carbs for sustained inverted flight. Was never my ba g. >>> I just prefer not taken things apart and putting them back together. Th at's just my input. You know how opinions go. Whatever works for you. >>> George H. >>> Firestar , FS100 >>> 14GDH >>> Mesick, Michigan >>> gdhelton@gmail.com >>> >>> Have a great day! >>> >>> On Jul 31, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Charlie England w rote: >>>> >>>> yet. >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:03 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Kolb-List: elevator & aileron deflection angles? I'm setting up the rigging on this (original) Twinstar restoration, & can't find anything in my plans that details elevator (or aileron) deflection. Does the Twinstar have more-or-less symmetrical control surface up/down deflection? Thanks, Charlie ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:06 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: elevator & aileron deflection angles? From: "Richard Pike" 35 degrees up and down. It's on page 4. http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Lexan%20rear%20enclosure.html -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=471786#471786 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:46 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: elevator & aileron deflection angles? On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Richard Pike wrote: > > 35 degrees up and down. It's on page 4. > http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/Lexan%20rear%20enclosure.html > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > > My plans set apparently came with the plane (very old), & my sheet 4 is a drawing of the front cage. I can't get your page to load right now, but the fact that they are symmetrical up/down is what I need to know. 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