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1. 06:21 AM - Re: Parts needed: Old style Ivo prop adjustment cams (woody)
2. 06:43 AM - Re: Head for 503 DCDI (Richard Pike)
3. 09:15 AM - Re: Parts needed: Old style Ivo prop adjustment cams (Jerry-TS-MkII)
4. 09:50 AM - Re: short video (jonealjr)
5. 01:37 PM - gas tank top feed hardware? (Charlie England)
6. 02:23 PM - Re: gas tank top feed hardware? (Larry Cottrell)
7. 03:01 PM - Re: gas tank top feed hardware? (japowell)
8. 03:03 PM - Re: gas tank top feed hardware? (George Helton)
9. 03:30 PM - Re: gas tank top feed hardware? (Jerry-TS-MkII)
10. 05:52 PM - Re: gas tank top feed hardware? (Charlie England)
11. 07:41 PM - Re: gas tank top feed hardware? (Larry Cottrell)
12. 09:37 PM - Re: gas tank top feed hardware? (Charlie England)
13. 11:49 PM - Re: gas tank top feed hardware? (Jerry-TS-MkII)
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Subject: | Re: Parts needed: Old style Ivo prop adjustment cams |
I hope that the old spacer system works out for you but like Larry said, I would
just buy a new prop. There is a reason that they quit making those. My 503 DCDI
was a pain to dial in to keep my EGT in check. A full turn is all there is
between "to hot" and "acceptable". The EGT temps still run about 1075 in level
flight according to my EIS. WOT on climb out gets me about 6550 rpm.
If you melt a piston, a new engine will cost you a lot more than a prop.
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Subject: | Re: Head for 503 DCDI |
I need a Rotax 277 head to convert to dual ignition. Ebay doesn't have one.
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Subject: | Re: Parts needed: Old style Ivo prop adjustment cams |
Thanks to all for the good info and Larry is going to help me with his parts.
Really a nice feeling to have a supportive group. Something about pilots and
sailers, (when I was Hobie sailing).. that really makes a person feel good. I
told Larry about helping others build or repair their U/Ls way back when, and
teaching 2 of them to fly. I did their test flights too.. to check things out..
and maybe to instill confidence in their aircraft.
As for new props.. yes I agree 100%, new and improved would be much better. When
I went to Georgia to pick up this Twinstar, the trailer provided was really
heavy and with no brakes. Oh, great fun, pulling THAT down the road with all
the sun worshipers out to view the eclipse, and basically driving like crazy
people. Sorta glad they are ON THE GROUND, and not flying! I had to swap vehicles
with a friend.. but in doing so had to pay her lapsed insurance, and then
found 2 bad wheel bearings on the drive to my house before the big trip. Doing
it myself was only(?) $300 (or the cost of a good used IVO!!). But I knew
she was sweating bullets money wise.. so it was helping her, and me.. to have
a hearty tow truck. One guy at a rest stop looked at the rig (with no brakes)
and then PRAYED for me, cause I hadn't reached the Smokies yet! (Nothing like
being puckered with that commentary). But the trip went fine. I just knew
it made for an expensive "rental". So Karma may be smiling for helping her out
too. My issue is adjusting the pitch of my billfold!! The prop should be
more straight forward. And some classic R/C kits will go onto RCGroups to help
fund this rework.
I have some options now, and will be able to get it in the air.. and make some
decisions. Main goal is to do some flying before winter, so I can bring it back
home, and do some rework over the winter, knowing more specifically what issues
to address more fully.
Having looked at numerous other forums on here, some have ZERO activity. So it's
really nice to see this group is active, supportive, and very willing to share
knowledge and more. I LIKE it!! Pretty excited about doing some flying soon!!
Thanks to all for the input and assistance!! Jerry
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Thank you for posting
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Subject: | gas tank top feed hardware? |
Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what pickup tube
& tank fittings are you using?
I've got the viton bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle inserts for the
bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a tube to get to the bottom
of the tank, but I'm having a brain freeze on how to do it. I took a shot
at brazing a longer tube into the steel fitting, but either I've lost my
skillset or it isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look like
stainless, but....
Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.
Thanks,
Charlie
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Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
I don't recall how I managed to secure my extension, but I am sure I had to
go to solder to get it done.
Here are some pictures of what I use. My theory was that a flexible tube
with a weighted filter pickup that could slosh around to where the fuel was
no matter the attitude would not be a bad thing.
The little filter was from Model airplane fuel pickups. The fuel line being
inside the tank has never been a problem and is still flexible and it has
been there for some 20 years.
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what pickup tube
> & tank fittings are you using?
>
> I've got the viton bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle inserts for
> the bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a tube to get to the
> bottom of the tank, but I'm having a brain freeze on how to do it. I took a
> shot at brazing a longer tube into the steel fitting, but either I've lost
> my skillset or it isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look
> like stainless, but....
>
> Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
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Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
I have the 6 gal tanks that Kolb sells and also the pickup tubes. They reach the
bottom easily.
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Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
I agree Larry. Flexible fuel line pickups work great. Never had a problem wi
th them on my MKII. I do think that the tubing should checked annually. And a
fter a short time after initial installation just be sure the tubing used li
kes fuel.
My Firestar has a custom aluminum tank which is a bottom feeder. Works well t
oo. Fuel system has a Facet electric pump and a pulse pump with fuel filters
before and after pumps, thanks to information from those on the kolblist.
George H.
Firestar, FS 100, 1986
Have a great day!
> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrot
e:
>
> I don't recall how I managed to secure my extension, but I am sure I had t
o go to solder to get it done.
>
> Here are some pictures of what I use. My theory was that a flexible tube w
ith a weighted filter pickup that could slosh around to where the fuel was n
o matter the attitude would not be a bad thing.
>
> The little filter was from Model airplane fuel pickups. The fuel line bein
g inside the tank has never been a problem and is still flexible and it has b
een there for some 20 years.
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> w
rote:
>> Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what pickup tub
e & tank fittings are you using?
>>
>> I've got the viton bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle inserts for t
he bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a tube to get to the botto
m of the tank, but I'm having a brain freeze on how to do it. I took a shot a
t brazing a longer tube into the steel fitting, but either I've lost my skil
lset or it isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look like stain
less, but....
>>
>> Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
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Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
I would strongly recommend Tygon fuel line only. It's resistant to all the fuels,
stays flexible, and doesn't expand. On a U/L I used generic clear tubing,
with a "tight" press fit inside the cap fitting.. but one day while fueling,
it FELL OFF! Use spring clamps on all connections, or large diameter safety wire
with a few wraps, then twisted snug. Jerry
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Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
Thanks to all for your responses. Very helpful in clarifying my path
forward. What I have in mind is very similar to what Larry showed in the
pics. Plan is to use the same blue urethane tubing that's used for the
rest of the fuel system.
Larry, is your in-tank tubing 1/4" ID, like the feed to the pump(s) and
engine? Do you have a link to the fuel filter? All the model filters
I've been able to find are for 1/8" ID tubing. I've got some plastic
inline filters for 1/4" line that I can adapt, but I'd have to add some
weight to hold the filter down.
Thanks again,
Charlie
On 8/30/2017 4:21 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> I don't recall how I managed to secure my extension, but I am sure I
> had to go to solder to get it done.
>
> Here are some pictures of what I use. My theory was that a flexible
> tube with a weighted filter pickup that could slosh around to where
> the fuel was no matter the attitude would not be a bad thing.
>
> The little filter was from Model airplane fuel pickups. The fuel line
> being inside the tank has never been a problem and is still flexible
> and it has been there for some 20 years.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com
> <mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Those who are using top feed for your plastic fuel tanks: what
> pickup tube & tank fittings are you using?
>
> I've got the viton bushings, and the steel (?) right-angle
> inserts for the bushings, sold by LEAF & others. I need to use a
> tube to get to the bottom of the tank, but I'm having a brain
> freeze on how to do it. I took a shot at brazing a longer tube
> into the steel fitting, but either I've lost my skillset or it
> isn't steel. It *is* highly magnetic, and doesn't look like
> stainless, but....
>
> Parts sources, and pics, would be welcome.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
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Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
https://www.amazon.com/In-Tank-Filter-W-Ball-Check/dp/B0055DOP6C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504146785&sr=8-3&keywords=in+tank+filters+for
here you go.
Larry
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Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
On 8/30/2017 9:34 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> https://www.amazon.com/In-Tank-Filter-W-Ball-Check/dp/B0055DOP6C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1504146785&sr=8-3&keywords=in+tank+filters+for
>
>
> here you go.
> Larry
Excellent! I failed to use the 'in tank' search term, & all I got was a
list of inline versions.
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Subject: | Re: gas tank top feed hardware? |
I stand corrected! All of my Tygon applications were concealed, and it's worked
well with alcohol, but apparently not UV protected. I found this link for the
blue tubing marketed by Bing, and AS also has the pickups shown by Larry.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/bingfuel.php
Jerry
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