---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/22/17: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:01 AM - Re: Twinstar Mk3 Classic MAUW (normros) 2. 06:08 AM - Re: Twinstar Mk3 Classic MAUW (Richard Pike) 3. 12:11 PM - Re: Advise on radio and headset (Mcabbage) 4. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: Advise on radio and headset () 5. 01:31 PM - Re: Advise on radio and headset (Mcabbage) 6. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Advise on radio and headset (Larry Cottrell) 7. 02:11 PM - Fw: Re: Advise on radio and headset (Larry Cottrell) 8. 02:58 PM - Re: Advise on radio and headset (Mcabbage) 9. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Advise on radio and headset (Larry Cottrell) 10. 03:10 PM - Re: Advise on radio and headset (Mcabbage) 11. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: Advise on radio and headset (Charlie England) 12. 03:34 PM - Re: Advise on radio and headset (Mcabbage) 13. 03:52 PM - Re: Advise on radio and headset (Jerry-TS-MkII) 14. 04:03 PM - Re: Re: Advise on radio and headset () 15. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Advise on radio and headset () 16. 05:27 PM - Zanesville Ohio fly in (GARY JINDRA) 17. 05:50 PM - Re: Advise on radio and headset (Mcabbage) 18. 07:14 PM - Re: Zanesville Ohio fly in (japowell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:01:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Twinstar Mk3 Classic MAUW From: "normros" Official MAUW is 390Kg (860lbs) in the U.K. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473057#473057 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:04 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Twinstar Mk3 Classic MAUW From: "Richard Pike" Gracious: With full fuel, I'd barely be able to take my granddaughter. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473058#473058 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset From: "Mcabbage" Hi John Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your Icom? Thx Mike -------- 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473070#473070 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:54 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset I use a 21" ELT antenna, may be a 24". Can't remember for sure. About 6' of coax cable trimmed for best SWR. The ICOM A6 is also very effective using the rubber ducky antenna. I carry it in the aircraft in case I would have to use the radio outside the aircraft. I have had good luck with ICOM handheld radios. john h mkIII Rock House, Oregon ---- Mcabbage wrote: > > Hi John > Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your Icom? > Thx Mike > > -------- > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473070#473070 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset From: "Mcabbage" Thank you John. -------- 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473077#473077 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:52 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset I believe the correct length for aircraft is 23.5 inches. Larry On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:52 PM, wrote: > > I use a 21" ELT antenna, may be a 24". Can't remember for sure. > > About 6' of coax cable trimmed for best SWR. > > The ICOM A6 is also very effective using the rubber ducky antenna. I > carry it in the aircraft in case I would have to use the radio outside the > aircraft. > > I have had good luck with ICOM handheld radios. > > john h > mkIII > Rock House, Oregon > > > ---- Mcabbage wrote: > > > > Hi John > > Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your > Icom? > > Thx Mike > > > > -------- > > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD > > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider > > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473070#473070 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:36 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Fwd: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset I believe the correct length for aircraft is 23.5 inches. That should give you the best swr match. Larry On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:52 PM, wrote: > > I use a 21" ELT antenna, may be a 24". Can't remember for sure. > > About 6' of coax cable trimmed for best SWR. > > The ICOM A6 is also very effective using the rubber ducky antenna. I > carry it in the aircraft in case I would have to use the radio outside the > aircraft. > > I have had good luck with ICOM handheld radios. > > john h > mkIII > Rock House, Oregon > > > ---- Mcabbage wrote: > > > > Hi John > > Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your > Icom? > > Thx Mike > > > > -------- > > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD > > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider > > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473070#473070 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:58:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset From: "Mcabbage" Thank you Larry. Is it best to keep the antenna as far away from the engine as possible? I think I remember reading that somewhere. Does it matter? -------- 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473082#473082 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:59 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset I think most of us put them on the bottom of the cage, using the frame work to enable us to put in a ground plane to secure it to. Larry On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Mcabbage wrote: > > Thank you Larry. > > Is it best to keep the antenna as far away from the engine as possible? I > think I remember reading that somewhere. > Does it matter? > > -------- > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473082#473082 > > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset From: "Mcabbage" Ok I remember seeing a post about that a while back. Will do a search. There was one on my plane before I stripped it of everything to sandblast the frame. I also have pics I took too. Thanks Mike -------- 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473084#473084 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:28 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset There's a good article describing how to calculate length in a recent issue of Kitplanes. There are several 'correction factors' that should be applied (that shorten the length) after doing the speed of light/wavelength thing. IIRC, final answer for middle of the a/c comm band was closer to 21" BTW, if you're not a subscriber, Kitplanes is a really good resource for DIY homebuilt owner/maintainers. The current editor is a former NASA mission controller/manager who's also built a couple of RV's, a bush plane, and a motor glider. Lots of really good techy how-to stuff in addition to the 'feature' pieces. I've been doing pretty much everything mechanical for over 50 years, and I still learn something from every issue. Charlie On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > I believe the correct length for aircraft is 23.5 inches. That should give > you the best swr match. > > Larry > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:52 PM, wrote: > >> >> I use a 21" ELT antenna, may be a 24". Can't remember for sure. >> >> About 6' of coax cable trimmed for best SWR. >> >> The ICOM A6 is also very effective using the rubber ducky antenna. I >> carry it in the aircraft in case I would have to use the radio outside the >> aircraft. >> >> I have had good luck with ICOM handheld radios. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> Rock House, Oregon >> >> >> >> ---- Mcabbage wrote: >> > >> > Hi John >> > Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your >> Icom? >> > Thx Mike >> > >> > -------- >> > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD >> > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider >> > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP >> > >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset From: "Mcabbage" Thanks Charlie will check out he magazine too! -------- 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473086#473086 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:52:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset From: "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire@gmail.com> The location of the antenna can affect the radiation pattern. If using a whip antenna, think of a doughnut over the wire.. and the signal strength is highest were the doughnut is thickest. Very little signal strength off the end of the antenna.. it's broadside that works. Since we fly horizontally, put the whip near vertical, and in a clear area. A aluminum disk can be placed under the fabric, to help establish a ground plane if needed on fabric airplanes, or the SWR shows high. Since most of your communications will be with a tower, or another nearby plane, range isn't typically a major factor. If the signal is weak.. fly higher. That will have a more profound effect than any other factor, if the install is working. As with any remote antenna, make sure to use low loss foam core coax.. without sharp kinks, and put a SWR meter between the radio and the cable to make sure you don't have excessive standing waves (more likely caused by a short, or a bad antenna, or connector install if done by a individual). ECM, DF, and avionics repairman in Vietnam, 2nd class FCC license state side, and 2 more years avoinics, 2 years general 2-way communication, installs and bench service to component level on all. Jerry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473088#473088 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:12 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset That sounds about right. john h mkIII Rock House, Oregon ---- Larry Cottrell wrote: > I believe the correct length for aircraft is 23.5 inches. > > Larry > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:52 PM, wrote: > > > > > I use a 21" ELT antenna, may be a 24". Can't remember for sure. > > > > About 6' of coax cable trimmed for best SWR. > > > > The ICOM A6 is also very effective using the rubber ducky antenna. I > > carry it in the aircraft in case I would have to use the radio outside the > > aircraft. > > > > I have had good luck with ICOM handheld radios. > > > > john h > > mkIII > > Rock House, Oregon > > > > > > > > ---- Mcabbage wrote: > > > > > > Hi John > > > Do you use anything other than the stock antenna that came with your > > Icom? > > > Thx Mike > > > > > > -------- > > > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD > > > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider > > > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473070#473070 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of > others.* > > *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email > address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:39 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset Meant to answer this in my previous. My antenna is mounted under the nose cone on a 6 inch diameter aluminum sheet ground plane. The stainless steel whip has a 45 degree bend in it. john h mkIII Rock House, Oregon ---- Mcabbage wrote: > > Thank you Larry. > > Is it best to keep the antenna as far away from the engine as possible? I think I remember reading that somewhere. > Does it matter? > > -------- > 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD > Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider > Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473082#473082 > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:26 PM PST US From: GARY JINDRA Subject: Kolb-List: Zanesville Ohio fly in Remembered that someone on the Kolblist lived near Zanesville Oh. There wil l be a couple of us flying Mark 3s into Zanesville for the fly in tomorrow Sat. 23rd=C2-Gary JindraKolb mark 3 400 hours ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:02 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Advise on radio and headset From: "Mcabbage" Thanks John that is what the previous owner had. I guess I was being lazy and thinking to use a hand held stand alone. That being said I want as good as reasonable communications as possible so its worth the time to re install. Appreciate your help! Mike -------- 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473092#473092 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:57 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Zanesville Ohio fly in From: "japowell" That would be me. I will be there. 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