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1. 12:39 AM - Re: video (John Gilpin)
2. 06:57 AM - wing center gap seal (Charlie England)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: wing center gap seal (Charlie England)
4. 08:35 AM - Re: wing center gap seal (Larry Cottrell)
5. 05:39 PM - Re: wing center gap seal (George Helton)
6. 07:10 PM - Re: wing center gap seal (Charlie England)
7. 07:37 PM - Re: wing center gap seal (Larry Cottrell)
8. 08:01 PM - Re: wing center gap seal (Charlie England)
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I wonder how my 503 would do with the 14,000 peaks.....
I got to 13,200 near Telluride in my Firestar with a 503. With lower altitu
de jetting so running very rich, so could have done better with proper tuni
ng.... Still climbing slowly but me too cold to continue....
JG
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| Subject: | wing center gap seal |
I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm restoring.
The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with a zipper down
the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex house paint) the
wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the motor
mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in front and
extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using aluminum.
So, my questions:
How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to run it
back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the leading edge?
Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach points, or can it
simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire length,
or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with attachments at the
rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing attach)?
Thanks for your insight,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
On 10/5/2017 8:56 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm
> restoring. The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with
> a zipper down the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex
> house paint) the wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the
> seal.
>
> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the
> motor mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in
> front and extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the
> bottom.
>
> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
> different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
> plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using
> aluminum.
>
> So, my questions:
> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to
> run it back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the
> leading edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach
> points, or can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>
> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
> length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
> attachments at the rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing
> attach)?
>
> Thanks for your insight,
>
> Charlie
And, I forgot to ask; which material gets your vote?
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and block as
much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a section of alum. bent to go
over the leading edge tubes. I use a small bungee cord to keep it up tight
against the tubes. the sides are secured to the wings with velcro. Most of
the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in between the wings
that consists of a couple of ribs that the lexan is secured to.
The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of the location of
the muffler.
Larry
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm restoring.
> The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with a zipper down
> the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex house paint) the
> wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
>
> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the motor
> mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in front and
> extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>
> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
> different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
> plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using aluminum.
>
> So, my questions:
> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to run
> it back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the leading
> edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach points, or
> can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>
> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
> length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
> attachments at the rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing attach)?
>
> Thanks for your insight,
>
> Charlie
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
I restored my original Firestar earlier this year which originally used the
zipper in the middle type gap seal. I talked to Brian at Kolb and he
assured me that their new Velcro on gap would work just fine. I took his
advice and had Helen at Kolb make me one . It was extremely easy to install
and works great. I also built a Twinstar many year ago. This new one would
have great on it. That just my experience, I like easy and availability.
I=99ll attach a picture
George H.
Firestar FS 100
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton@gmail.com
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:41 AM Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and block as
> much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a section of alum. bent to go
> over the leading edge tubes. I use a small bungee cord to keep it up tigh
t
> against the tubes. the sides are secured to the wings with velcro. Most o
f
> the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in between the wings
> that consists of a couple of ribs that the lexan is secured to.
>
> The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of the location o
f
> the muffler.
>
> Larry
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm
>> restoring. The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with a
>> zipper down the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex house
>> paint) the wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
>>
>> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the motor
>> mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in front a
nd
>> extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>>
>> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
>> different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
>> plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using aluminu
m.
>>
>> So, my questions:
>> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to run
>> it back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the leading
>> edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach points, or
>> can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>>
>> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
>> length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
>> attachments at the rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing attac
h)?
>>
>> Thanks for your insight,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
Well shucks; more to contemplate. :-)
Looks like either option requires velcro, so I'll get a roll of wide
stuff on order while I contemplate materials.
Thank you for the pic, and the ideas.
Charlie
On 10/5/2017 7:37 PM, George Helton wrote:
> I restored my original Firestar earlier this year which originally
> used the zipper in the middle type gap seal. I talked to Brian at Kolb
> and he assured me that their new Velcro on gap would work just fine. I
> took his advice and had Helen at Kolb make me one . It was extremely
> easy to install and works great. I also built a Twinstar many year
> ago. This new one would have great on it. That just my experience, I
> like easy and availability. Ill attach a picture
> George H.
> Firestar FS 100
> 14GDH
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton@gmail.com
>
> <mailto:gdhelton@gmail.com>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:41 AM Larry Cottrell
> <lcottrell1020@gmail.com <mailto:lcottrell1020@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and
> block as much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a section of
> alum. bent to go over the leading edge tubes. I use a small bungee
> cord to keep it up tight against the tubes. the sides are secured
> to the wings with velcro. Most of the Mark III's make up a "hard"
> section that slides in between the wings that consists of a couple
> of ribs that the lexan is secured to.
>
> The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of the
> location of the muffler.
>
> Larry
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England
> <ceengland7@gmail.com <mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar
> I'm restoring. The project came with a new, uninstalled,
> fabric seal with a zipper down the middle. I've already
> recovered and painted (latex house paint) the wings, & failed
> to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
>
> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around
> the motor mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading
> edge tubes in front and extend back almost to the wing
> attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>
> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that
> several different other methods have been employed over the
> years, including a plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember
> comments about using aluminum.
>
> So, my questions:
> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the
> trouble to run it back past the front of the motor mount? What
> about under the leading edge? Does it help to carry it all the
> way to the wing attach points, or can it simply wrap around
> the leading edge tubes?
>
> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its
> entire length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the
> wing with attachments at the rear and under the leading edge
> (or at the wing attach)?
>
> Thanks for your insight,
>
> Charlie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
The one inch will be plenty. When you get ready to take which ever gap seal
you decide on, get yourself a couple strips of Lexan and slip it between
the two halves, and it comes off nice and easy.
Larry
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well shucks; more to contemplate. :-)
>
> Looks like either option requires velcro, so I'll get a roll of wide
> stuff on order while I contemplate materials.
>
> Thank you for the pic, and the ideas.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 10/5/2017 7:37 PM, George Helton wrote:
>
> I restored my original Firestar earlier this year which originally used
> the zipper in the middle type gap seal. I talked to Brian at Kolb and he
> assured me that their new Velcro on gap would work just fine. I took his
> advice and had Helen at Kolb make me one . It was extremely easy to insta
ll
> and works great. I also built a Twinstar many year ago. This new one woul
d
> have great on it. That just my experience, I like easy and availability.
> I=99ll attach a picture
> George H.
> Firestar FS 100
> 14GDH
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton@gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:41 AM Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover and block a
s
>> much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a section of alum. bent to go
>> over the leading edge tubes. I use a small bungee cord to keep it up tig
ht
>> against the tubes. the sides are secured to the wings with velcro. Most
of
>> the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in between the wings
>> that consists of a couple of ribs that the lexan is secured to.
>>
>> The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of the location
>> of the muffler.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen) Twinstar I'm
>>> restoring. The project came with a new, uninstalled, fabric seal with a
>>> zipper down the middle. I've already recovered and painted (latex house
>>> paint) the wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the seal.
>>>
>>> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap around the moto
r
>>> mount at the top rear, and wrap around the leading edge tubes in front
and
>>> extend back almost to the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>>>
>>> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear that several
>>> different other methods have been employed over the years, including a
>>> plexi seal offered by Kolb. I also remember comments about using alumin
um.
>>>
>>> So, my questions:
>>> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the trouble to ru
n
>>> it back past the front of the motor mount? What about under the leading
>>> edge? Does it help to carry it all the way to the wing attach points, o
r
>>> can it simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>>>
>>> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along its entire
>>> length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it around the wing with
>>> attachments at the rear and under the leading edge (or at the wing atta
ch)?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your insight,
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> others.*
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>> address before sending.*
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| Subject: | Re: wing center gap seal |
Great! one inch is easier to get, cheaper, etc. I like the separator
idea, too.
Charlie
On 10/5/2017 9:25 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> The one inch will be plenty. When you get ready to take which ever gap
> seal you decide on, get yourself a couple strips of Lexan and slip it
> between the two halves, and it comes off nice and easy.
>
> Larry
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com
> <mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Well shucks; more to contemplate. :-)
>
> Looks like either option requires velcro, so I'll get a roll of
> wide stuff on order while I contemplate materials.
>
> Thank you for the pic, and the ideas.
>
> Charlie
>
> On 10/5/2017 7:37 PM, George Helton wrote:
>> I restored my original Firestar earlier this year which
>> originally used the zipper in the middle type gap seal. I talked
>> to Brian at Kolb and he assured me that their new Velcro on gap
>> would work just fine. I took his advice and had Helen at Kolb
>> make me one . It was extremely easy to install and works great. I
>> also built a Twinstar many year ago. This new one would have
>> great on it. That just my experience, I like easy and
>> availability. Ill attach a picture
>> George H.
>> Firestar FS 100
>> 14GDH
>> Mesick, Michigan
>> gdhelton@gmail.com
>>
>> <mailto:gdhelton@gmail.com>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:41 AM Larry Cottrell
>> <lcottrell1020@gmail.com <mailto:lcottrell1020@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I have always used the lexan gap seal and attempted to cover
>> and block as much of the gap area that I can. MIne has a
>> section of alum. bent to go over the leading edge tubes. I
>> use a small bungee cord to keep it up tight against the
>> tubes. the sides are secured to the wings with velcro. Most
>> of the Mark III's make up a "hard" section that slides in
>> between the wings that consists of a couple of ribs that the
>> lexan is secured to.
>>
>> The installation of the HKS presented a problem because of
>> the location of the muffler.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Charlie England
>> <ceengland7@gmail.com <mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I need to add the center gap seal to the (1st gen)
>> Twinstar I'm restoring. The project came with a new,
>> uninstalled, fabric seal with a zipper down the middle.
>> I've already recovered and painted (latex house paint)
>> the wings, & failed to mask off any fabric to attach the
>> seal.
>>
>> Looking at the way the seal is made, it appears to wrap
>> around the motor mount at the top rear, and wrap around
>> the leading edge tubes in front and extend back almost to
>> the wing attach/pivot points on the bottom.
>>
>> After a quick look around the interwebs, it would appear
>> that several different other methods have been employed
>> over the years, including a plexi seal offered by Kolb. I
>> also remember comments about using aluminum.
>>
>> So, my questions:
>> How far back must the seal extend on top? Is it worth the
>> trouble to run it back past the front of the motor mount?
>> What about under the leading edge? Does it help to carry
>> it all the way to the wing attach points, or can it
>> simply wrap around the leading edge tubes?
>>
>> For attachment, should it be velcro'd to each wing along
>> its entire length, or is it adequate to simply wrap it
>> around the wing with attachments at the rear and under
>> the leading edge (or at the wing attach)?
>>
>> Thanks for your insight,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>
>>
>>
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