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Bob
For your first flights I highly recommend flying off grass or gravel the first
few times, much more forgiving. Also 50 is nifty
And fly it all the way to the ground, just roll it on
Mike
Seattle
Cell 206-963-2118
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> 1. 06:36 AM - New FS II flyer has Questions (RoHam)
> 2. 08:41 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions ()
> 3. 08:50 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Gary Aman)
> 4. 09:06 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Larry Cottrell)
> 5. 12:15 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (woody)
> 6. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Russ Kinne)
> 7. 02:50 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Russ Kinne)
> 8. 03:41 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (RoHam)
> 9. 08:37 PM - Video all local to KCMA (jonealjr)
> 10. 08:55 PM - Re: Video all local to KCMA (Richard Pike)
> 11. 11:18 PM - Re: Re: Video all local to KCMA (Bill Berle)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:36:21 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "RoHam" <RoHam903@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
for
> the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need on
> an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
for
> approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:41:01 AM PST US
> From: <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
>
>
> I made my first flight in my new Kolb Ultrastar 33 years ago this past July.
I
> was a helicopter pilot, not a fixed wing pilot. Actually, I was a rusty helicopter
> pilot, hadn't flown in 8 years. I read a lot of stick and rudder books
> to get up to speed on being an airplane pilot. I paid special attention to Homer
> Kolb's comments about test flying his new Ultrastar. "Take it up to 1000
> feet above the ground and check the stall speed." Now you are good to go. You
> know when the aircraft is going to quit flying, unless you get yourself into
> an accelerated stall, which is damn near impossible to do in a Kolb. Stalls
> were my biggest worry coming from a rotary wing world where we didn't pay a whole
> lot of attention to that terminology.
>
> As far as the other "V" speeds, I didn't worry about them much except "maneuver"
> and VNE. Maneuver speed was anything slow enough to be comfortable in rough
> air. VNE wasn't a big problem either, but I tried to stay below whatever happened
> to be the "popular" VNE for whatever Kolb model I was flying.
>
> Stall speed is critical.
>
> High speeds and rough air don't mix.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Palm Desert, California
>
>
> ---- RoHam <RoHam903@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:50:35 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
>
>
> only reliable info for lower speed questions is actual experience in your airplane
> .take it up and at safe altitude,slow it down until you see what your indicator
> reads when it stalls
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam <RoHam903@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:06:01 AM PST US
> From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
>
> congratulations on finishing your FII. The questions that you have asked
> has had many attempts to be answered. I am afraid that there are too many
> variables for a hard and fast answer.
>
> With my Firestar in its current configuration I use 50 for climb. Stall
> speeds can vary as much as 29- to one I flew that stalled at 60? What I am
> saying is that there is no hard and fast numbers for your plane other than
> what you yourself discover.
>
> Your best plan is to be very conservative and let your plane tell you what
> it likes. On your take off roll keep a bit of back stick and let it lift
> off by itself. Get at least a 1000 feet and see what your best climb is by
> pulling back on the stick. Do check and see what your ASI indicates as a
> stall speed. There are lots of differences in ASI instruments depending on
> your pitot tube placement, the difference in cabin pressure, all that
> influences your indicated speed.
>
> While its nice to have an ASI that reads true, the real requirement is that
> you know what yours reads when the plane quits flying. One of the biggest
> problems with a kolb is that the design means that when the power is off,
> it doesn't take all that long before the plane stops forward speed. It
> takes most people by surprise and is the main cause of bent landing gear. I
> suggest that you take it to altitude, pull the throttle off, give it some
> back stick and see how long it takes for the plane to stall.
>
> I also suggest that you maintain some power on your landings when you first
> start. I do my approaches at 50. My plane however stalls at 30 MPH for me.
>
> Good luck with your plane, but be very cautious until you know what your
> operating speeds actually are for your plane. It may fly like the Champ but
> it will not land like the Champ. It is designed for a totally different
> mission.
>
> Good luck
>
> Larry
>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:36 AM, RoHam <RoHam903@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the
>> administrator for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru
>> replacing fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to
>> need on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after
>> getting my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of
>> surprises shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use
>> 45 for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:15:52 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "woody" <n3022.176@gmail.com>
>
>
> There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know
what
> the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in. I
> also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
> run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
> or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an edge
> in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
> and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. 8)
> PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
> some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:01:50 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Russ Kinne <russk50@gmail.com>
>
>
> If anyone wants a set of steel gear legs for the Xtra, I have a pair Id like
to
> sell
>
> Russ K
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 3:15 PM, woody <n3022.176@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know
> what the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in.
> I also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
> run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
> or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an
> edge in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
> and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. 8)
>> PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
> some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:50:59 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Russ Kinne <russk50@gmail.com>
>
>
> Bob
> IMHO NO one should fly ANYthing until/unless he knows at least what VNE, VX,
VY,
> and Maneuvering speed are.
> Go back to ground school before you crash! Who gave you a review without making
> sure you knew those???
>
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam <RoHam903@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:41:16 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "RoHam" <RoHam903@gmail.com>
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for the info. I pretty much figured it would be a trial of
flying
> it and figuring out. I guess I was looking for some average speeds everyone
> was using. I understand the vx,vy &va. The question marks were looking to
> fill in the average speeds. Sorry for the confusion. I'll let you know how I
> make out. Is everyone converting to steel gear? Will the original aluminum hold
> up to average landings? Whats the source of these gear? I found a good source
> for fuel tanks if anyone needs it. Thanks again... Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473593#473593
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:37:17 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Video all local to KCMA
> From: "jonealjr" <jonealjr@gmail.com>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/l2r161S-XXk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473598#473598
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:55:38 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
> From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
>
>
> My wife said you shouldn't fly low over the cows like that: it will make them
stop
> laying eggs...
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473600#473600
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:18:59 PM PST US
> From: Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
>
>
> Congratulations Jimmy, GREAT videos! You're having a blast...
>
> I owe you a call, will do so tomorrow.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
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> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, October 15, 2017, 8:55 PM
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> Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
>
> My wife said you shouldn't fly low over
> the cows like that: it will make them stop laying eggs...
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 11 Msgs - 10/15/17 |
Bob
For your first flights I highly recommend flying off grass or gravel the first
few times, much more forgiving. Also 50 is nifty
And fly it all the way to the ground, just roll it on
Mike
Seattle
Cell 206-963-2118
> On Oct 16, 2017, at 12:03 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server <kolb-list@matronics.com>
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> 1. 06:36 AM - New FS II flyer has Questions (RoHam)
> 2. 08:41 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions ()
> 3. 08:50 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Gary Aman)
> 4. 09:06 AM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Larry Cottrell)
> 5. 12:15 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (woody)
> 6. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Russ Kinne)
> 7. 02:50 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (Russ Kinne)
> 8. 03:41 PM - Re: New FS II flyer has Questions (RoHam)
> 9. 08:37 PM - Video all local to KCMA (jonealjr)
> 10. 08:55 PM - Re: Video all local to KCMA (Richard Pike)
> 11. 11:18 PM - Re: Re: Video all local to KCMA (Bill Berle)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:36:21 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "RoHam" <RoHam903@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
for
> the nod.
> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need on
> an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
> VNE = 90mph
> VA = ???
> VY = ???
> VX = ???
> real life Stall speeds
> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
for
> approach.
> Thanks for any help...Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:41:01 AM PST US
> From: <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
>
>
> I made my first flight in my new Kolb Ultrastar 33 years ago this past July.
I
> was a helicopter pilot, not a fixed wing pilot. Actually, I was a rusty helicopter
> pilot, hadn't flown in 8 years. I read a lot of stick and rudder books
> to get up to speed on being an airplane pilot. I paid special attention to Homer
> Kolb's comments about test flying his new Ultrastar. "Take it up to 1000
> feet above the ground and check the stall speed." Now you are good to go. You
> know when the aircraft is going to quit flying, unless you get yourself into
> an accelerated stall, which is damn near impossible to do in a Kolb. Stalls
> were my biggest worry coming from a rotary wing world where we didn't pay a whole
> lot of attention to that terminology.
>
> As far as the other "V" speeds, I didn't worry about them much except "maneuver"
> and VNE. Maneuver speed was anything slow enough to be comfortable in rough
> air. VNE wasn't a big problem either, but I tried to stay below whatever happened
> to be the "popular" VNE for whatever Kolb model I was flying.
>
> Stall speed is critical.
>
> High speeds and rough air don't mix.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Palm Desert, California
>
>
> ---- RoHam <RoHam903@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:50:35 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
>
>
> only reliable info for lower speed questions is actual experience in your airplane
> .take it up and at safe altitude,slow it down until you see what your indicator
> reads when it stalls
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam <RoHam903@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:06:01 AM PST US
> From: Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
>
> congratulations on finishing your FII. The questions that you have asked
> has had many attempts to be answered. I am afraid that there are too many
> variables for a hard and fast answer.
>
> With my Firestar in its current configuration I use 50 for climb. Stall
> speeds can vary as much as 29- to one I flew that stalled at 60? What I am
> saying is that there is no hard and fast numbers for your plane other than
> what you yourself discover.
>
> Your best plan is to be very conservative and let your plane tell you what
> it likes. On your take off roll keep a bit of back stick and let it lift
> off by itself. Get at least a 1000 feet and see what your best climb is by
> pulling back on the stick. Do check and see what your ASI indicates as a
> stall speed. There are lots of differences in ASI instruments depending on
> your pitot tube placement, the difference in cabin pressure, all that
> influences your indicated speed.
>
> While its nice to have an ASI that reads true, the real requirement is that
> you know what yours reads when the plane quits flying. One of the biggest
> problems with a kolb is that the design means that when the power is off,
> it doesn't take all that long before the plane stops forward speed. It
> takes most people by surprise and is the main cause of bent landing gear. I
> suggest that you take it to altitude, pull the throttle off, give it some
> back stick and see how long it takes for the plane to stall.
>
> I also suggest that you maintain some power on your landings when you first
> start. I do my approaches at 50. My plane however stalls at 30 MPH for me.
>
> Good luck with your plane, but be very cautious until you know what your
> operating speeds actually are for your plane. It may fly like the Champ but
> it will not land like the Champ. It is designed for a totally different
> mission.
>
> Good luck
>
> Larry
>
>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 7:36 AM, RoHam <RoHam903@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the
>> administrator for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru
>> replacing fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to
>> need on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after
>> getting my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of
>> surprises shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use
>> 45 for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
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>
> Time: 12:15:52 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "woody" <n3022.176@gmail.com>
>
>
> There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know
what
> the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in. I
> also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
> run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
> or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an edge
> in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
> and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. 8)
> PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
> some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:01:50 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Russ Kinne <russk50@gmail.com>
>
>
> If anyone wants a set of steel gear legs for the Xtra, I have a pair Id like
to
> sell
>
> Russ K
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 3:15 PM, woody <n3022.176@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> There's not much to add to John and Larry's comments. Make sure that you know
> what the stall speed is and keep it 5-10 mph above that when you bring it in.
> I also flopped around in a Champ before flying my Firestar II. These light aircraft
> run out of inertia rapidly and will go from flying to falling in 3 seconds
> or less. Be vigilant. Bring it in with power, 4000 rpm should give you an
> edge in keeping it under control. FLY IT TO THE GROUND. Do not chop the throttle
> and expect it to land like that "flying pig", the champ. 8)
>> PS: If you have the aluminum gear legs on your plane, start thinking about building
> some steel ones. They are a lot more forgiving.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473584#473584
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:50:59 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: Russ Kinne <russk50@gmail.com>
>
>
> Bob
> IMHO NO one should fly ANYthing until/unless he knows at least what VNE, VX,
VY,
> and Maneuvering speed are.
> Go back to ground school before you crash! Who gave you a review without making
> sure you knew those???
>
>> On Oct 15, 2017, at 9:36 AM, RoHam <RoHam903@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone I'm new to the matronics so a big thank you to the administrator
> for the nod.
>> I'm soon to fly my 270hr FSII that I've spent the last 11/2 yr going thru replacing
> fuel lines, fuel tanks, all rubber and misc items you'd expect to need
> on an plane sitting for 10yrs. I'm now at the point of flying it after getting
> my flight review in a 46 Champ to get me ready.
>> My question is ... What's everyone using for airspeeds? What kind of surprises
> shoulld I expect?
>> VNE = 90mph
>> VA = ???
>> VY = ???
>> VX = ???
>> real life Stall speeds
>> The printed info I had says it stalls at 33mph ..rotate at 40mph and use 45
> for approach.
>> Thanks for any help...Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473572#473572
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:41:16 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New FS II flyer has Questions
> From: "RoHam" <RoHam903@gmail.com>
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for the info. I pretty much figured it would be a trial of
flying
> it and figuring out. I guess I was looking for some average speeds everyone
> was using. I understand the vx,vy &va. The question marks were looking to
> fill in the average speeds. Sorry for the confusion. I'll let you know how I
> make out. Is everyone converting to steel gear? Will the original aluminum hold
> up to average landings? Whats the source of these gear? I found a good source
> for fuel tanks if anyone needs it. Thanks again... Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473593#473593
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 08:37:17 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Video all local to KCMA
> From: "jonealjr" <jonealjr@gmail.com>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/l2r161S-XXk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473598#473598
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> ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:55:38 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
> From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
>
>
> My wife said you shouldn't fly low over the cows like that: it will make them
stop
> laying eggs...
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is wonderful.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473600#473600
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>
> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:18:59 PM PST US
> From: Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
>
>
> Congratulations Jimmy, GREAT videos! You're having a blast...
>
> I owe you a call, will do so tomorrow.
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 10/15/17, Richard Pike <thegreybaron@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Video all local to KCMA
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Sunday, October 15, 2017, 8:55 PM
>
> Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
>
> My wife said you shouldn't fly low over
> the cows like that: it will make them stop laying eggs...
>
> --------
> Richard Pike
> Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
> Kingsport, TN 3TN0
>
> Forgiving is tough. Being forgiven is
> wonderful.
>
>
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>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473600#473600
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Nice thx for sharing
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It looks like you have made the Go Pro work for you. It was nice and
steady, all in all one of the better video's posted. Where was it shot? Is
this a different ( newer model) Go Pro?
One thing you should remember however and that is, videos can be
entertaining, but evidence as well. You may have heard of Steve Henry. A
Nampa Idaho pilot of a Highlander. Google him or search You Tube. Any way
he posted some videos of flying in the Owyhee country. I think he buzzed
some feral horses. BLM fined him at least $1000.00 for it. They saw the
video as well.
I myself found a bullet hole just outside the prop area in my wing
covering, after doing repeated touch and goes at a rural airport in a small
town of S Oregon. I guess the people that lived in the area bordering the
airport were not as amused as I was.
fwiw,
Larry
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 9:37 PM, jonealjr <jonealjr@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> https://youtu.be/l2r161S-XXk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=473598#473598
>
>
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