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0. 07:25 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in December! (Matt Dralle)
1. 06:47 AM - Fastening hydraulic brake lines (Mcabbage)
2. 08:02 AM - Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines (Rex Rodebush)
3. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines (John Hauck)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines (Charlie England)
5. 10:44 AM - Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines (George Helton)
6. 05:20 PM - Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines (jpfitt)
7. 06:09 PM - Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines (Mcabbage)
8. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines (Charlie England)
9. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines (John Hauck)
10. 07:08 PM - Twinstar; was: Fastening hydraulic brake lines (Charlie England)
11. 08:01 PM - Re: Twinstar; was: Fastening hydraulic brake lines (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Published in |
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| Subject: | Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
Is there a preferred way to fasten the plastic hydraulic brake lines whilst routing
them through airframe and landing gear? Or just zip tie and move on
Thanks Mike
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Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
Zip ties work fine for me. Check out "Flying a Kolb over Table Rock Lake" on utube.
You can see them on the landing gear in the first minute of the video.
If in a high vibration area there is a chance of cutting so use some extra tubing
around the line for protection from the tie.
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
I have always used nylon tie wraps. No problems. Works great.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rex Rodebush
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 10:00 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines
Zip ties work fine for me. Check out "Flying a Kolb over Table Rock Lake"
on utube. You can see them on the landing gear in the first minute of the
video.
If in a high vibration area there is a chance of cutting so use some extra
tubing around the line for protection from the tie.
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
It's usually good form to wrap the structure with a turn or two of
silicone tape, or even vinyl electrical tape before zip tying, to
protect the metal from abrasion. Grit under the zip tie works like an
abrasive cutoff wheel, if you don't.
On 11/11/2017 9:59 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote:
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> Zip ties work fine for me. Check out "Flying a Kolb over Table Rock Lake" on
utube. You can see them on the landing gear in the first minute of the video.
>
> If in a high vibration area there is a chance of cutting so use some extra tubing
around the line for protection from the tie.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
Here is picture of a slmple plastic tie with plastic tubing standoff
system. Works equally as well for hydraulic tubing and mechanical cables
and wiring looms.
George H.
Firestar. FS100
Mesick, Michigan
On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 9:49 AM Mcabbage <Mc@americanbuilding.com> wrote:
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> Is there a preferred way to fasten the plastic hydraulic brake lines
> whilst routing them through airframe and landing gear? Or just zip tie and
> move on
> Thanks Mike
>
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> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
I am using the black max brakes on my FS ll and decided that a 1/4 " aluminum
tube "conduit" was good protection for the plastic hydraulic line as it ran down
the top of the gear leg. The conduit extends thru the fuselage cage fabric
and the lower end has a slight horizontal bend secured by a band using one of
the axle bolts.
Double Zip ties at the top and half way down.
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> On Nov 11, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Mcabbage <Mc@americanbuilding.com> wrote:
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>
> Is there a preferred way to fasten the plastic hydraulic brake lines whilst routing
them through airframe and landing gear? Or just zip tie and move on
> Thanks Mike
>
> --------
> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=474756#474756
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
Thank you guy's I appreciate it.
I also have the black max brakes. I'm thinking to install a parking brake in there
also.
Regards Mike
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Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
I've always been just a little paranoid about extra fittings & gadgets
in the brake system, at least on the heavier stuff I've flown. My
personal preference would be a couple of light weight chocks, made from
aluminum angle, with a little pocket somewhere to stow them.
Charlie
(With an aside to John H. , noting that I didn't say 'bigger', now that
a 380 lb Twinstar is taking up most of my 50x50 hangar.)
On 11/11/2017 8:08 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
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> Thank you guy's I appreciate it.
> I also have the black max brakes. I'm thinking to install a parking brake in
there also.
> Regards Mike
>
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> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider
> Trike Buggy Soaring Trike & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
First time I flew Kolb Slingshot was at Oshkosh some years ago. I hopped in,
taxied out, took off, flew the traffic pattern, landed, taxied back to the gate
to push it back to the Kolb display. When I got out I told Dennis Souder it
took a lot of power to taxi, much more than I felt it should. He reached under
the seat and told me the parking brake was on. What parking brake? ;-) They
had put a shut off valve in the brake line and didn't tell me about it. I
made that flight operation without nosing over. Good thing the brakes were no
more effective than they were.
380 lbs is very light for a Twinstar. My original Firestar weighed that much by
the time I finished adding stuff to it.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines
I've always been just a little paranoid about extra fittings & gadgets in the brake
system, at least on the heavier stuff I've flown. My personal preference
would be a couple of light weight chocks, made from aluminum angle, with a little
pocket somewhere to stow them.
Charlie
(With an aside to John H. , noting that I didn't say 'bigger', now that a 380 lb
Twinstar is taking up most of my 50x50 hangar.)
On 11/11/2017 8:08 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>
> Thank you guy's I appreciate it.
> I also have the black max brakes. I'm thinking to install a parking brake in
there also.
> Regards Mike
>
> --------
> 2007 Firestar 2 503 N203SD
> Moster 185 Flattop PPG/Sky K2 Paraglider Trike Buggy Soaring Trike
> & Northwing Stratus XP
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| Subject: | Twinstar; was: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
That's good news, on the weight. I wasn't sure what to expect, since
it's so old (early '80s Mk I) and since the boom tube & tail surfaces
have an extra layer of paint. It has the Black Max 6x6 wheels, with
mostly bald tires off a Decathalon. Just a heads-up; a/c 6.00x6 tires
fit those wheels great, and work just fine (at least sitting on the
ground) without tubes in them. I'm not trying to run them with minimum
pressure, though.
Another parking brake story:
Decades ago, a local pilot here in Jackson MS bought a new Maule, and
put it on its nose at the factory when he went to pick it up, before
ever leaving the airport. After Maule fixed it, he flew it back here,
and later to the grass strip at his deer camp. Killed a deer, and that
evening, loaded the carcass in the back of the Maule. Early the next
morning, with dew still on everything, he flew back to one of the
municipal airports. He touched down on the paved runway, and the plane
instantly went over the parking brake-locked wheels onto its back.
Emergency response crews spent a frantic few minutes trying to find the
source of all the blood before realizing he was unhurt.....
Charlie
On 11/11/2017 8:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:
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> First time I flew Kolb Slingshot was at Oshkosh some years ago. I hopped in,
taxied out, took off, flew the traffic pattern, landed, taxied back to the gate
to push it back to the Kolb display. When I got out I told Dennis Souder
it took a lot of power to taxi, much more than I felt it should. He reached under
the seat and told me the parking brake was on. What parking brake? ;-)
They had put a shut off valve in the brake line and didn't tell me about it.
I made that flight operation without nosing over. Good thing the brakes were
no more effective than they were.
>
> 380 lbs is very light for a Twinstar. My original Firestar weighed that much
by the time I finished adding stuff to it.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2017 8:27 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fastening hydraulic brake lines
>
>
> I've always been just a little paranoid about extra fittings & gadgets in the
brake system, at least on the heavier stuff I've flown. My personal preference
would be a couple of light weight chocks, made from aluminum angle, with a little
pocket somewhere to stow them.
>
> Charlie
> (With an aside to John H. , noting that I didn't say 'bigger', now that a 380
lb Twinstar is taking up most of my 50x50 hangar.)
>
> On 11/11/2017 8:08 PM, Mcabbage wrote:
>>
>> Thank you guy's I appreciate it.
>> I also have the black max brakes. I'm thinking to install a parking brake in
there also.
>> Regards Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Twinstar; was: Fastening hydraulic brake lines |
As long as we are confessing (and I'm not even Catholic...!) shortly after I built
my Anglin J-6, I flew it to a friend's grass strip (within the 25 mile radius)
and then back to TRI. Had not yet tried to get it in or out of my Indian
Springs 750' strip. During the takeoff, it took forever to get it off the ground,
and when I touched down, the tires chirped, the airplane kicked to the right,
and I took out a runway light before I could get it stopped. Yep - parking
brakes were on. DOH! When I went to work the next day, there was a hand-drawn
cartoon over my locker.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
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