---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/07/17: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Quick build verses ready to fly (Richard Girard) 2. 06:46 AM - MkII....project... (herbgh) 3. 08:09 AM - Re: MkII....project... (George Helton) 4. 08:32 AM - Re: MkII....project... (SugarDad) 5. 09:00 AM - Re: MkII....project... (George Helton) 6. 09:50 AM - Re: MkII....project... (SugarDad) 7. 10:00 AM - Re: MkII....project... (Mark K) 8. 10:16 AM - Re: MkII....project... (B Young) 9. 10:27 AM - Re: Quick build verses ready to fly (Rex Rodebush) 10. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Quick build verses ready to fly (Wayne Schneider) 11. 12:06 PM - Re: Quick build verses ready to fly (George Alexander) 12. 12:11 PM - Re: Re: Quick build verses ready to fly (B Young) 13. 04:34 PM - Hirth 3002 (kenw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:08 AM PST US From: Richard Girard Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Quick build verses ready to fly Rex, You do not have to be an AI to do an annual on an experimental amateur built aircraft, all it takes is an A & P ticket. You don't have to have ANY ticket at all to modify, maintain, or repair an EAB, anyone can. Don't know if this will change your thinking on building vs. buying but you at least have the correct information. Rick GIrard Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Rex Rodebush wrote: > > Even with a quick build you are still going to put in a fairly large > amount of time building; and it's going to cost more. > > Building my Xtra was a great experience but I would never do it again. > You can buy a good used homebuilt now for a fraction of the cost of the k it > alone. If I wanted another plane that's the way I would go. A major > downside is that you will have to get an A&P or the previous builder to > make modifications or do your annual to be legal. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476133#476133 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:04 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: MkII....project... From: "herbgh" All I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Fireflys and a Slingshot.. Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-) Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I know it is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefly,Firestar... It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low time 503 with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start... Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the heads...no carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and rear seals and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on it were a non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would need inspecting... The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firestar...which is what I really want... Herb Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:13 AM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MkII....project... MKII was a great airplane in its day. I built one and flew the heck out of i t for about 4 1/2 years back the early 90=99s. Handling was a bit slug gish, but it was originally designed to be a trainer. I had a 503 single car b which seemed adequate for flying in Southern California heat. I did a lot o f thermalIng and high desert flying with it. I personally thought it a great airplane . The MKIII was a much prettier unit and I=99m sure had stro nger marketability as time has proven. The MKII was not very roomy. I was th inking that with a little cage modification that it would have made a cool f at man single seater. But, the original Firestar is not very roomy either, w hich is what I still fly. I=99m not sure the MKII would be good tradin g material these days though? Their age has be considered. That=99s ju st my two cents worth. George George Helton 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax 14GDH Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:45 AM, herbgh wrote: > > > All > I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Firefly s and a Slingshot.. > > Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-) > > Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I know i t is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefly,Fi restar... > It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low time 5 03 with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start... > Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the heads.. .no carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and rear seals and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on it w ere a non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would need i nspecting... > The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firestar. ..which is what I really want... Herb > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205 > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MkII....project... From: SugarDad I was pretty good in my day too! :-) I think it would suit me at this time...Seems that the market is thin for Fireflies and Firestars; rebuilders and projects...kits... I watched several vids on Youtube and decided as you that it would make a good single seater with some mods... I know the pitfalls of making mods....Turning the airbike wing from a full span aileron to an outboard one with a torque tube actuation and counterbalances took as much time as building the wing...!! The seller is thinking trades and meeting me half way...all of which is very positive this time of year... I am correct that the wing is the same as the Firestar one and two? Herb On 12/07/2017 09:52 AM, George Helton wrote: > MKII was a great airplane in its day. I built one and flew the heck out of it for about 4 1/2 years back the early 90s. Handling was a bit sluggish, but it was originally designed to be a trainer. I had a 503 single carb which seemed adequate for flying in Southern California heat. I did a lot of thermalIng and high desert flying with it. I personally thought it a great airplane . The MKIII was a much prettier unit and Im sure had stronger marketability as time has proven. The MKII was not very roomy. I was thinking that with a little cage modification that it would have made a cool fat man single seater. But, the original Firestar is not very roomy either, which is what I still fly. Im not sure the MKII would be good trading material these days though? Their age has be considered. Thats just my two cents worth. George > > > George Helton > 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax > 14GDH > Mesick, Michigan > gdhelton@gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:45 AM, herbgh wrote: >> >> >> All >> I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Fireflys and a Slingshot.. >> >> Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-) >> >> Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I know it is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefly,Firestar... >> It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low time 503 with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start... >> Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the heads...no carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and rear seals and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on it were a non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would need inspecting... >> The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firestar...which is what I really want... Herb >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205 >> >> >> >> >> >> > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== > =================================== >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:11 AM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MkII....project... I can=99t say that Firestar 2 used the same ribs or not? The original Firestar and Twinstar series which includes the MKII did. The only real diff erence that I can remember was that the wing had two more ribs per side to a ccommodate the larger wing span. The modification I wanted to do was to add a tube either side of the center t ubes in the cockpit . Remove to the tube between the seats. It would entail r ecovering the main cage. I would have used the spaces between the new seatin g area and sides as cool storage compartments. It might=99ve worked. G eorge George Helton 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax 14GDH Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:32 AM, SugarDad wrote: > > I was pretty good in my day too! :-) I think it would suit me at this t ime...Seems that the market is thin for Fireflies and Firestars; rebuilders a nd projects...kits... > > I watched several vids on Youtube and decided as you that it would make a good single seater with some mods... I know the pitfalls of making mods.. ..Turning the airbike wing from a full span aileron to an outboard one with a torque tube actuation and counterbalances took as much time as building the wing...!! > The seller is thinking trades and meeting me half way...all of which is v ery positive this time of year... > I am correct that the wing is the same as the Firestar one and two? H erb > >> On 12/07/2017 09:52 AM, George Helton wrote: >> MKII was a great airplane in its day. I built one and flew the heck out o f it for about 4 1/2 years back the early 90=99s. Handling was a bit s luggish, but it was originally designed to be a trainer. I had a 503 single c arb which seemed adequate for flying in Southern California heat. I did a lo t of thermalIng and high desert flying with it. I personally thought it a gr eat airplane . The MKIII was a much prettier unit and I=99m sure had s tronger marketability as time has proven. The MKII was not very roomy. I was thinking that with a little cage modification that it would have made a coo l fat man single seater. But, the original Firestar is not very roomy either , which is what I still fly. I=99m not sure the MKII would be good tra ding material these days though? Their age has be considered. That=99s just my two cents worth. George >> >> >> George Helton >> 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax >> 14GDH >> Mesick, Michigan >> gdhelton@gmail.com >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:45 AM, herbgh wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> All >>>> I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Fire flys and a Slingshot.. >>>> >>>> Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-) >>>> >>>> Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I kn ow it is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefl y,Firestar... >>>> It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low ti me 503 with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start. .. >>>> Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the head s...no carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and r ear seals and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on i t were a non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would ne ed inspecting... >>>> The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firest ar...which is what I really want... Herb >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> ======================== =========== >>> ======================== =========== >>> ======================== =========== >>> ======================== =========== >>> ======================== =========== >>> > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MkII....project... From: SugarDad I know that the Ultrastar rib is the same...so likely all are the same til the 6 inch spar...of the MkIII,Kolbra and Slingshot... By the way...wondering if anyone has tried the cub airfoil or the Modified airfoil of the N3 Pup/J3 Kitten or Carlson Sparrow on a Kolb...Mary Carlson can sell you spars and ribs for about the same as two spar tubes.. More work however with drag and anti drag wires and cross bracing... My N3 pup was the best flyer of all of my birds.. It is sitting in a house trailer , behind my tobacco barn...waiting for the mood to strike.. and for me to add a t hangar onto the barn :-) Interesting that one fellow that I communicated with used a Firestar wing on his airbike...Herb by the way...Mary will sell you her business...will make you a millionaire if you start with two and spend it down to one...:-) On 12/07/2017 10:59 AM, George Helton wrote: > I cant say that Firestar 2 used the same ribs or not? The original > Firestar and Twinstar series which includes the MKII did. The only > real difference that I can remember was that the wing had two more > ribs per side to accommodate the larger wing span. > The modification I wanted to do was to add a tube either side of the > center tubes in the cockpit . Remove to the tube between the seats. It > would entail recovering the main cage. I would have used the spaces > between the new seating area and sides as cool storage compartments. > It mightve worked. George > > George Helton > 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax > 14GDH > Mesick, Michigan > gdhelton@gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:32 AM, SugarDad > wrote: > >> I was pretty good in my day too! :-) I think it would suit me at >> this time...Seems that the market is thin for Fireflies and >> Firestars; rebuilders and projects...kits... >> >> I watched several vids on Youtube and decided as you that it would >> make a good single seater with some mods... I know the pitfalls of >> making mods....Turning the airbike wing from a full span aileron to >> an outboard one with a torque tube actuation and counterbalances took >> as much time as building the wing...!! >> >> The seller is thinking trades and meeting me half way...all of >> which is very positive this time of year... >> >> I am correct that the wing is the same as the Firestar one and >> two? Herb >> >> >> On 12/07/2017 09:52 AM, George Helton wrote: >>> MKII was a great airplane in its day. I built one and flew the heck out of it for about 4 1/2 years back the early 90s. Handling was a bit sluggish, but it was originally designed to be a trainer. I had a 503 single carb which seemed adequate for flying in Southern California heat. I did a lot of thermalIng and high desert flying with it. I personally thought it a great airplane . The MKIII was a much prettier unit and Im sure had stronger marketability as time has proven. The MKII was not very roomy. I was thinking that with a little cage modification that it would have made a cool fat man single seater. But, the original Firestar is not very roomy either, which is what I still fly. Im not sure the MKII would be good trading material these days though? Their age has be considered. Thats just my two cents worth. George >>> >>> >>> George Helton >>> 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax >>> 14GDH >>> Mesick, Michigan >>> gdhelton@gmail.com >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:45 AM, herbgh wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> All >>>> I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Fireflys and a Slingshot.. >>>> >>>> Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-) >>>> >>>> Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I know it is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefly,Firestar... >>>> It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low time 503 with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start... >>>> Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the heads...no carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and rear seals and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on it were a non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would need inspecting... >>>> The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firestar...which is what I really want... Herb >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> =================================== >>> =================================== >>> =================================== >>> =================================== >>> =================================== >> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: MkII....project... From: "Mark K" Herb, I am working on a MKII project right now. Things are going fine. I have been slow on getting progress on the rebuild but moving along now. I can't wait to have it ready for next spring. There are several others I know from this list that have had MKII's. All liked them. I have a 503 dual carb, dual igntion setup for mine. Looking forward to hearing more about your project. Mark -------- Mark Twinstar MKII Great Bend, PA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476220#476220 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:18 AM PST US From: B Young Subject: Re: Kolb-List: MkII....project... I've thought for a long time that if I were to build another mk3 that I would do a lot of research into a modification of the wing. What I would like to know is what difference there would be if I raised the leading edge a inch and a quarter to a inch and a half. I would keep the bottom of the ribs flat from the rear spar to 7 inches + or - behind the leading edge spar. Then a gradual curve up to the raised leading edge. Similar to the wing profile of the pa18 super cub. What I would like to know is the drag / lift profile vs angle of attack,,,, Find out if the changes would affect speed, clime, and glide angles. If anyone knows please share. Boyd Young mk3 Utah On Dec 7, 2017 10:52 AM, "SugarDad" wrote: > I know that the Ultrastar rib is the same...so likely all are the same > til the 6 inch spar...of the MkIII,Kolbra and Slingshot... > > By the way...wondering if anyone has tried the cub airfoil or the > Modified airfoil of the N3 Pup/J3 Kitten or Carlson Sparrow on a > Kolb...Mary Carlson can sell you spars and ribs for about the same as tw o > spar tubes.. More work however with drag and anti drag wires and cross > bracing... My N3 pup was the best flyer of all of my birds.. It is > sitting in a house trailer , behind my tobacco barn...waiting for the moo d > to strike.. and for me to add a t hangar onto the barn :-) > > Interesting that one fellow that I communicated with used a Firestar > wing on his airbike...Herb > > by the way...Mary will sell you her business...will make you a > millionaire if you start with two and spend it down to one...:-) > > > On 12/07/2017 10:59 AM, George Helton wrote: > > I can=99t say that Firestar 2 used the same ribs or not? The origin al > Firestar and Twinstar series which includes the MKII did. The only real > difference that I can remember was that the wing had two more ribs per si de > to accommodate the larger wing span. > The modification I wanted to do was to add a tube either side of the > center tubes in the cockpit . Remove to the tube between the seats. It > would entail recovering the main cage. I would have used the spaces betwe en > the new seating area and sides as cool storage compartments. It might =99ve > worked. George > > George Helton > 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax > 14GDH > Mesick, Michigan > gdhelton@gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 7, 2017, at 11:32 AM, SugarDad wrote: > > I was pretty good in my day too! :-) I think it would suit me at this > time...Seems that the market is thin for Fireflies and Firestars; > rebuilders and projects...kits... > > I watched several vids on Youtube and decided as you that it would mak e > a good single seater with some mods... I know the pitfalls of making > mods....Turning the airbike wing from a full span aileron to an outboard > one with a torque tube actuation and counterbalances took as much time as > building the wing...!! > > The seller is thinking trades and meeting me half way...all of which is > very positive this time of year... > > I am correct that the wing is the same as the Firestar one and two? > Herb > > On 12/07/2017 09:52 AM, George Helton wrote: > > MKII was a great airplane in its day. I built one and flew the heck out o f it for about 4 1/2 years back the early 90=99s. Handling was a bit sluggish, but it was originally designed to be a trainer. I had a 503 singl e carb which seemed adequate for flying in Southern California heat. I did a lot of thermalIng and high desert flying with it. I personally thought it a great airplane . The MKIII was a much prettier unit and I=99m sure had stronger marketability as time has proven. The MKII was not very roomy . I was thinking that with a little cage modification that it would have ma de a cool fat man single seater. But, the original Firestar is not very roo my either, which is what I still fly. I=99m not sure the MKII would b e good trading material these days though? Their age has be considered. Tha t=99s just my two cents worth. George > > > George Helton > 1986 Firestar, 377 Rotax > 14GDH > Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:45 AM, herbgh wr ote: > com> > > All > I have located a MkII project. My experience has been with MkIII,Firefl ys and a Slingshot.. > > Never flew the Slingshot and likely that was a good thing...:-) > > Wondering what the experiences of the list are with the MkII ? I know it is built with 5 inch tubes...and has the rib in common with the Firefly ,Firestar... > It comes with no engine which suits me to a "T". since I have a low time 503 with C box. and of all things....a brand new 532 with electric start.. .. > Could not believe the "new" part of the 532 but when I yanked the heads. ..no carbon to be found...green dot on the pistons...Amazing!! Front and re ar seals and likely good to go..My MkIII had a 532 and the hours I put on i t were a non event... Crank and bearing rust would be a concern and would n eed inspecting... > The MkII would give me some trade bait for another Firefly or Firestar ...which is what I really want... Herb > > > Read this topic online here: > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476205#476205 > > > ======================== =========== > ======================== =========== > ======================== =========== > ======================== =========== > ======================== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:22 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Quick build verses ready to fly From: "Rex Rodebush" Rick, My understanding was that for an EAB the only people that can sign off on the yearly inspection or 'annual" was the original builder (with a repairman certificate) or an A&P. Am I wrong? Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476223#476223 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:19 AM PST US From: Wayne Schneider Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Quick build verses ready to fly SWYgeW91IGNhbiByZWdpc3RlciBpdCBhcyBhbiBFTFNBLCB0aGVuIHlvdSBjYW4gdGFrZSBhIDE2 IGhvdXIgY291cnNlIGFuZCBkbyB5b3VyIG93biBjb25kaXRpb24gaW5zcGVjdGlvbnMuICANCg0K RnJvbTogUmV4IFJvZGVidXNoDQpTZW50OiBUaHVyc2RheSwgRGVjZW1iZXIgNywgMjAxNyAxMToy OSBBTQ0KVG86IGtvbGItbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBLb2xiLUxpc3Q6IFJl OiBRdWljayBidWlsZCB2ZXJzZXMgcmVhZHkgdG8gZmx5DQoNCi0tPiBLb2xiLUxpc3QgbWVzc2Fn ZSBwb3N0ZWQgYnk6ICJSZXggUm9kZWJ1c2giIDxqcnJvZGVidXNoQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4NCg0KUmlj aywNCg0KTXkgdW5kZXJzdGFuZGluZyB3YXMgdGhhdCBmb3IgYW4gRUFCIHRoZSBvbmx5IHBlb3Bs ZSB0aGF0IGNhbiBzaWduIG9mZiBvbiB0aGUgeWVhcmx5IGluc3BlY3Rpb24gb3IgJ2FubnVhbCIg d2FzIHRoZSBvcmlnaW5hbCBidWlsZGVyICh3aXRoIGEgcmVwYWlybWFuIGNlcnRpZmljYXRlKSBv ciBhbiBBJlAuICBBbSBJIHdyb25nPw0KDQpSZXgNCg0KDQoNCg0KUmVhZCB0aGlzIHRvcGljIG9u bGluZSBoZXJlOg0KDQpodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vdmlld3RvcGljLnBocD9w PTQ3NjIyMyM0NzYyMjMNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgLSBUaGUgS29s Yi1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0NCl8tPSBVc2UgdGhlIE1hdHJvbmljcyBMaXN0IEZlYXR1cmVz IE5hdmlnYXRvciB0byBicm93c2UNCl8tPSB0aGUgbWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxpdGllcyBzdWNoIGFz IExpc3QgVW4vU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLA0KXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93bmxvYWQsIDct RGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLA0KXy09IFBob3Rvc2hhcmUsIGFuZCBtdWNoIG11Y2ggbW9y ZToNCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZpZ2F0b3I/S29s Yi1MaXN0DQpfLT0NCl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIE1BVFJPTklDUyBXRUIgRk9S VU1TIC0NCl8tPSBTYW1lIGdyZWF0IGNvbnRlbnQgYWxzbyBhdmFpbGFibGUgdmlhIHRoZSBXZWIg Rm9ydW1zIQ0KXy09DQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpfLT0N Cl8tPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09DQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0gTkVXIE1BVFJPTklDUyBMSVNUIFdJS0kgLQ0KXy09 IEFkZCBzb21lIGluZm8gdG8gdGhlIE1hdHJvbmljcyBFbWFpbCBMaXN0IFdpa2khDQpfLT0gICAt LT4gaHR0cDovL3dpa2kubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIExp c3QgQ29udHJpYnV0aW9uIFdlYiBTaXRlIC0NCl8tPSAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVy b3VzIHN1cHBvcnQhDQpfLT0gICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtTWF0dCBEcmFs bGUsIExpc3QgQWRtaW4uDQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRy aWJ1dGlvbg0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCg0KDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Quick build verses ready to fly From: "George Alexander" Radegast wrote: > If you can register it as an ELSA, then you can take a 16 hour course and do your own condition inspections. > > > , S , N , I , P , > > My understanding of ELSA: Is one of three kinds: Previously unregistered "ultralight-like" vehicle that meets LSA specifications. These aircraft were required to be registered before January 31, 2008. However, the FAA issued exemptions which allowed the certification deadline to be extended to January 31, 2010 for any "ultralights" that held FAR103 Exemptions for training. The January 31, 2010 deadline is now past, so no other aircraft (ultralights / experimentals) will be certificated under this provision. A kit version of an S-LSA. Note that the January 31, 2008 deadline does not apply here. An S-LSA the owner elects to convert to E-LSA so he/she can make modifications & perform maintenance. Note that the January 31, 2008 deadline does not apply here. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 E-LSA N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476227#476227 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:11:35 PM PST US From: B Young Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Quick build verses ready to fly To my understanding you are correct. And better referred to as a condition inspection. Do not archive Boyd On Dec 7, 2017 11:29 AM, "Rex Rodebush" wrote: Rick, My understanding was that for an EAB the only people that can sign off on the yearly inspection or 'annual" was the original builder (with a repairman certificate) or an A&P. Am I wrong? Rex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476223#476223 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:56 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Hirth 3002 From: "kenw" are there any fellow Mark III Kolbers out there with a Hirth 3002 ? -------- kenw Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476231#476231 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.