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We have had some discussion about whether I should seal the gap between
the flap and the aileron tube. What are the advantages and disadvantages of
both ways?
Respectfully,
Dennis Baber
Cape Coral, Fl
baberdk@gmail.com
Stay Curious
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Subject: | Re: Flying Stories |
*<When I made that comment, "you were good at getting into and out of
trouble", I was thinking in particular, to the story you told of clipping a
power line and the adventure that started after that. Very funny once in a
lifetime story.>*
Well, I guess that's bait enough to tell the story as it happened.....
Yeh, it did turn out funny in the end.....
And maybe remind others of precautions that need to be heeded.....
I'd converted a two-seat Beaver RX550 into a single-seat, twin engine
push-pull arrangement, with two 447's. I was looking for redundancy so I
could fly over rough country with some confidence. Turned out that
push-pull is a bad idea unless you could have inflight adjustable props.
The amount of prop blast from the front engine effects the amount of pitch
required on the rear prop. And to pitch the props fine enough so that can
fly on one engine, then they're too fine for cruise with both engines....
And besides, who wants to deal with TWO 2-strokes at once, one is more than
enough....
I wanted to stop at a small outback town for fuel, but the proper airstrip
was 3 miles out and not on a main road, so no chance of a ride in. I'd
phoned the service station to ask if ultralights or gyros landed anywhere
nearby. They use them for rounding up sheep out there. He said, yeh they
land out on the side road and taxi in for fuel. so that's where I was
looking to land.
I wanted to land right near the servo and did a precautionary circuit. The
road was narrow with guide posts just wide enough, but a gusty hot x-wind
made it very rough when I got down close, so I elected to go farther out
where the road was wider and no guide posts. Unfortunately I extended my
approach at power line height.....
*- Dumb thing to do, must always be either above or below power line
height....... *
*- And should have pulled up and done another precautionary circuit......*
I just got a glimpse of the single wire as it flashed underneath, then felt
that sickening deceleration as the wheels hooked on it...... Poured on full
power to try to break the wire, but no chance of that. With that 80hp at
high thrust line and the wheels hooked down under, the aircraft pitched
forward instantly and hit the road vertical nose-down still at full
power......
An almighty crunch then silence..... Then the tension in the wire pulled
the aircraft back off the road into a shallow ditch. I sat there for a
moment, surprised that I was still conscious, and checking for injuries.
Only a sharp stinging sensation in one ankle. Then a drop of blood ran down
my forehead and dripped off my nose.... Reached up and felt a wet gooey
mess on the top of my head, and then I felt some real alarm..... But when I
brought my hand down it was covered with green oil, the 2-stroke oil that I
had stored up in the wing root, what a relief! The blood had come from a
minor cut on my head.
Didn't smell any fuel, but thinking of fire decided to crawl out. Once
again not real smart cause still hooked to the wire that could have been
live..... But fortunately it had tripped the circuit breaker when it hit
the ground..... Then sat down to think about the situation and made another
mistake by sitting down in a patch of burrs .....
Soon a vehicle came by and radioed the police. While we were waiting the
wire suddenly snapped tight and broke and whipped off through the brush....
Turned out that I'd stretched the wire and it had sagged a bit where it
crossed the main highway not far away. Then a truck carrying a tall backhoe
came along at speed and hooked the wire and dragged it about a kilometer
until the driver realized what had happened and got stopped....
The policeman arrived and drove me to the hospital. He kept asking what I
was going to do with the aircraft?? I wasn't worried cause it was in the
ditch and I figured I'd be able to go out later and take it apart. I had
noticed that the framework was broken between the BRS chute and the
actuating handle so I was going to need an allen key to disconnect the
handle before some movement pulled on the cable. The doctor was out on a
call so I had to sit to wait for him. Before the policeman left he had
said, "...we'll sort it out..." Then I realized that when a country boy
says that it means that, they're going to do something... I called the
nurse and she called the police on the radio to tell them to leave it
alone....
But he came back to say it was two minutes too late! He had gone and found
a front end loader and conscripted a couple of the layabouts who hang
around the pub all day, and they attempted to move the aircraft. They knew
nothing about such aircraft, so they were very gingerly approaching it.
With one man on each wing and tail they were carefully lifting it with the
loader when the cable went tight and the BRS rocket went off! Those rockets
go off with a loud blast and a cloud of smoke, and the billowing chute was
bright orange, so the impression would have been a fuel explosion! The word
is true that one man actually crapped his pants right away! And the other
had never worked and lived on a disability pension because he claimed to
have a bad heart, but now they reckon that if he survived that shock then
his heart was okay. In the pub they still tease those guys about all
that......
The policeman came back to the hospital to ask for my flying license. There
was a phone number on there of the Recreational Flying Association that
regulates our licensing, so he rang them. They were really good in those
days, and told him they would look after it and just for me to phone them
when I could, just the answer he wanted to hear cause it was then out of
his hands so no paperwork.... He didn't know exactly what to do about the
incident, but was trying to be considerate and helpful. So he reckoned that
it was against the law to land on the road but he couldn't hardly charge me
for crashing on the road so he didn't figure on doing anything, which
suited me just fine.... Then he asked if I had insurance..... I told him
that I didn't have any and would have to wear it on my own. to which he
said, "...Oh dear..." and then left.
I spent a couple of days in the local hospital with a shattered heel bone,
which didn't hurt right at the time but sure gets painful later.... Finally
a Flying Doctor flight was diverted to carry me to the city for surgery,
etc, a heck of a lot better than a 5 hr road trip in that condition.
That's the last I heard about it, until news came back much later that they
had charged the trucking company for carrying an over-height load without a
permit and escort and made their insurance pay the damages. A month later
when I finally was able to go back out there with a trailer to collect the
remains of the aircraft, I noticed a lot of shiny new wire and insulators
and all the undergrowth neatly cleared from under the power line...... And
a white spot of fiberglass particles from the nose pod still embedded in
the middle of the road......
A year later I heard from a friend who had been on a pig shooting trip out
there, and that they're still telling this story in the pub, probably much
embellished by now.......
p.s.- I got into this trouble by carelessness, but got out of it because of
what I had done before the incident. I'd very much strengthened the pilot
protection. Originally the Beaver just had thin wall light aluminum tubing
down in front of the pilot, but I replaced it with 3mm wall tubing with
welded gussets to attach to the rest of the structure. And steel square
section to join up underneath. Triangulated for strength. Some extra weight
but worth every bit of it. Without it I would have been roadkill.....
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Subject: | Re: Flying Stories |
That is a funny story, even funnier when John G tells it in person.
Thanks for sharing. Good points to remember to help us stay safe.
Soon after I started flying my Ultrastar I snagged a power line with the
tail wheel. It was about 1800 on a Wednesday evening. Wives were home
cooking supper, folks were getting home from work and getting cleaned up
and some were watching the news on their TVs. I put a stop to all that
in a fraction of a second.
Here's how I did it. Was flying back to my airstrip from a friend's
airstrip along US231. There is an old section of highway parallel to
it. Decided to make my first ever false approach to the old section,
not intending to land. There was a power line parallel to the old
section of highway with a wire span running a couple hundred yards from
the opposite side of the new road all the way across both sections of
road. Cleared myself over the wire. I remember watching it pass under
me, but did not see the top 7600 volt line. It was twilight, that wire
was the same color as the asphalt beneath it. The wires I cleared
myself across were black telephone wires. Felt a tug, went full
throttle and flew it until it stopped crashing. Luckily there was a
splice about 6 feet from where my tail wheel hooked the wire and it
separated, but not before I pulled the main line loose a half mile away.
By that time I had quit flying and the Ultrastar crashed going down an
embankment on the side of the road. This helped break the impact. I
was fine except where my shins hit the underside of the little
instrument pod. Tore up my US pretty bad, but I was OK. The bad part
was twofold. Not only had I knocked out all the power in the
surrounding area, I blew up all three transformers at a well that
provided water for the local water system. My biggest worry now was
having to pay for all the damage I caused. I had no money.
A car stopped to see if they could help. I asked for a ride to my
airstrip where I could get my truck and a trailer to recover the US.
While I was gone all the local law enforcement, emergency crews, and
gawkers arrived, but couldn't find the pilot. They thought that I had
been injured and wandered off into the woods.
Took a while to get truck, trailer, and my old buddy, and get back to my
airplane. Got it broken down, loaded, and didn't go to jail.
This was in 1985. I kept waiting to get the brown manila envelope
notifying me that I had to pay for all the damage. I was really
worried, but the envelope never came and I never heard anything else
about it except friends and neighbors teasing me pretty hard about
hitting that wire.
Took a total rebuild on the US. I learned an important lesson that John
G mentioned. Don't fly at power line height. If you do, make sure you
see all the wires before you descend. That happened 32 years ago and I
am still gun shy of power lines and fences.
Fly safe,
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC Gilpin
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 6:23 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying Stories
<When I made that comment, "you were good at getting into and out of
trouble", I was thinking in particular, to the story you told of
clipping a power line and the adventure that started after that. Very
funny once in a lifetime story.>
Well, I guess that's bait enough to tell the story as it happened.....
Yeh, it did turn out funny in the end.....
And maybe remind others of precautions that need to be heeded.....
I'd converted a two-seat Beaver RX550 into a single-seat, twin engine
push-pull arrangement, with two 447's. I was looking for redundancy so I
could fly over rough country with some confidence. Turned out that
push-pull is a bad idea unless you could have inflight adjustable props.
The amount of prop blast from the front engine effects the amount of
pitch required on the rear prop. And to pitch the props fine enough so
that can fly on one engine, then they're too fine for cruise with both
engines.... And besides, who wants to deal with TWO 2-strokes at once,
one is more than enough....
I wanted to stop at a small outback town for fuel, but the proper
airstrip was 3 miles out and not on a main road, so no chance of a ride
in. I'd phoned the service station to ask if ultralights or gyros landed
anywhere nearby. They use them for rounding up sheep out there. He said,
yeh they land out on the side road and taxi in for fuel. so that's where
I was looking to land.
I wanted to land right near the servo and did a precautionary circuit.
The road was narrow with guide posts just wide enough, but a gusty hot
x-wind made it very rough when I got down close, so I elected to go
farther out where the road was wider and no guide posts. Unfortunately I
extended my approach at power line height.....
- Dumb thing to do, must always be either above or below power line
height.......
- And should have pulled up and done another precautionary circuit......
I just got a glimpse of the single wire as it flashed underneath, then
felt that sickening deceleration as the wheels hooked on it...... Poured
on full power to try to break the wire, but no chance of that. With that
80hp at high thrust line and the wheels hooked down under, the aircraft
pitched forward instantly and hit the road vertical nose-down still at
full power......
An almighty crunch then silence..... Then the tension in the wire pulled
the aircraft back off the road into a shallow ditch. I sat there for a
moment, surprised that I was still conscious, and checking for injuries.
Only a sharp stinging sensation in one ankle. Then a drop of blood ran
down my forehead and dripped off my nose.... Reached up and felt a wet
gooey mess on the top of my head, and then I felt some real alarm.....
But when I brought my hand down it was covered with green oil, the
2-stroke oil that I had stored up in the wing root, what a relief! The
blood had come from a minor cut on my head.
Didn't smell any fuel, but thinking of fire decided to crawl out. Once
again not real smart cause still hooked to the wire that could have been
live..... But fortunately it had tripped the circuit breaker when it hit
the ground..... Then sat down to think about the situation and made
another mistake by sitting down in a patch of burrs .....
Soon a vehicle came by and radioed the police. While we were waiting the
wire suddenly snapped tight and broke and whipped off through the
brush.... Turned out that I'd stretched the wire and it had sagged a bit
where it crossed the main highway not far away. Then a truck carrying a
tall backhoe came along at speed and hooked the wire and dragged it
about a kilometer until the driver realized what had happened and got
stopped....
The policeman arrived and drove me to the hospital. He kept asking what
I was going to do with the aircraft?? I wasn't worried cause it was in
the ditch and I figured I'd be able to go out later and take it apart. I
had noticed that the framework was broken between the BRS chute and the
actuating handle so I was going to need an allen key to disconnect the
handle before some movement pulled on the cable. The doctor was out on
a call so I had to sit to wait for him. Before the policeman left he had
said, "...we'll sort it out..." Then I realized that when a country boy
says that it means that, they're going to do something... I called the
nurse and she called the police on the radio to tell them to leave it
alone....
But he came back to say it was two minutes too late! He had gone and
found a front end loader and conscripted a couple of the layabouts who
hang around the pub all day, and they attempted to move the aircraft.
They knew nothing about such aircraft, so they were very gingerly
approaching it. With one man on each wing and tail they were carefully
lifting it with the loader when the cable went tight and the BRS rocket
went off! Those rockets go off with a loud blast and a cloud of smoke,
and the billowing chute was bright orange, so the impression would have
been a fuel explosion! The word is true that one man actually crapped
his pants right away! And the other had never worked and lived on a
disability pension because he claimed to have a bad heart, but now they
reckon that if he survived that shock then his heart was okay. In the
pub they still tease those guys about all that......
The policeman came back to the hospital to ask for my flying license.
There was a phone number on there of the Recreational Flying Association
that regulates our licensing, so he rang them. They were really good in
those days, and told him they would look after it and just for me to
phone them when I could, just the answer he wanted to hear cause it was
then out of his hands so no paperwork.... He didn't know exactly what to
do about the incident, but was trying to be considerate and helpful. So
he reckoned that it was against the law to land on the road but he
couldn't hardly charge me for crashing on the road so he didn't figure
on doing anything, which suited me just fine.... Then he asked if I had
insurance..... I told him that I didn't have any and would have to wear
it on my own. to which he said, "...Oh dear..." and then left.
I spent a couple of days in the local hospital with a shattered heel
bone, which didn't hurt right at the time but sure gets painful
later.... Finally a Flying Doctor flight was diverted to carry me to the
city for surgery, etc, a heck of a lot better than a 5 hr road trip in
that condition.
That's the last I heard about it, until news came back much later that
they had charged the trucking company for carrying an over-height load
without a permit and escort and made their insurance pay the damages. A
month later when I finally was able to go back out there with a trailer
to collect the remains of the aircraft, I noticed a lot of shiny new
wire and insulators and all the undergrowth neatly cleared from under
the power line...... And a white spot of fiberglass particles from the
nose pod still embedded in the middle of the road......
A year later I heard from a friend who had been on a pig shooting trip
out there, and that they're still telling this story in the pub,
probably much embellished by now.......
p.s.- I got into this trouble by carelessness, but got out of it because
of what I had done before the incident. I'd very much strengthened the
pilot protection. Originally the Beaver just had thin wall light
aluminum tubing down in front of the pilot, but I replaced it with 3mm
wall tubing with welded gussets to attach to the rest of the structure.
And steel square section to join up underneath. Triangulated for
strength. Some extra weight but worth every bit of it. Without it I
would have been roadkill.....
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Subject: | Re: Flying Stories |
Great stories, from both John's. Thanks
Robert Lobdell
Waskom, Texas
Flying is the second greatest thill known to man. Landing is the first!
On Jan 1, 2018 9:26 AM, "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> That is a funny story, even funnier when John G tells it in person.
> Thanks for sharing. Good points to remember to help us stay safe.
>
>
> Soon after I started flying my Ultrastar I snagged a power line with the
> tail wheel. It was about 1800 on a Wednesday evening. Wives were home
> cooking supper, folks were getting home from work and getting cleaned up
> and some were watching the news on their TVs. I put a stop to all that in
> a fraction of a second.
>
>
> Here's how I did it. Was flying back to my airstrip from a friend's
> airstrip along US231. There is an old section of highway parallel to it.
> Decided to make my first ever false approach to the old section, not
> intending to land. There was a power line parallel to the old section of
> highway with a wire span running a couple hundred yards from the opposite
> side of the new road all the way across both sections of road. Cleared
> myself over the wire. I remember watching it pass under me, but did not
> see the top 7600 volt line. It was twilight, that wire was the same color
> as the asphalt beneath it. The wires I cleared myself across were black
> telephone wires. Felt a tug, went full throttle and flew it until it
> stopped crashing. Luckily there was a splice about 6 feet from where my
> tail wheel hooked the wire and it separated, but not before I pulled the
> main line loose a half mile away. By that time I had quit flying and the
> Ultrastar crashed going down an embankment on the side of the road. This
> helped break the impact. I was fine except where my shins hit the
> underside of the little instrument pod. Tore up my US pretty bad, but I
> was OK. The bad part was twofold. Not only had I knocked out all the
> power in the surrounding area, I blew up all three transformers at a well
> that provided water for the local water system. My biggest worry now was
> having to pay for all the damage I caused. I had no money.
>
>
> A car stopped to see if they could help. I asked for a ride to my
> airstrip where I could get my truck and a trailer to recover the US. While
> I was gone all the local law enforcement, emergency crews, and gawkers
> arrived, but couldn't find the pilot. They thought that I had been injured
> and wandered off into the woods.
>
>
> Took a while to get truck, trailer, and my old buddy, and get back to my
> airplane. Got it broken down, loaded, and didn't go to jail.
>
>
> This was in 1985. I kept waiting to get the brown manila envelope
> notifying me that I had to pay for all the damage. I was really worried,
> but the envelope never came and I never heard anything else about it except
> friends and neighbors teasing me pretty hard about hitting that wire.
>
>
> Took a total rebuild on the US. I learned an important lesson that John G
> mentioned. Don't fly at power line height. If you do, make sure you see
> all the wires before you descend. That happened 32 years ago and I am
> still gun shy of power lines and fences.
>
>
> Fly safe,
>
>
> john h
>
> mkIII
>
> Titus, Alabama
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-
> server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *JC Gilpin
> *Sent:* Monday, January 01, 2018 6:23 AM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Re: Flying Stories
>
>
> *<When I made that comment, "you were good at getting into and out of
> trouble", I was thinking in particular, to the story you told of clipping a
> power line and the adventure that started after that. Very funny once in a
> lifetime story.>*
>
>
> Well, I guess that's bait enough to tell the story as it happened.....
>
> Yeh, it did turn out funny in the end.....
>
> And maybe remind others of precautions that need to be heeded.....
>
>
> I'd converted a two-seat Beaver RX550 into a single-seat, twin engine
> push-pull arrangement, with two 447's. I was looking for redundancy so I
> could fly over rough country with some confidence. Turned out that
> push-pull is a bad idea unless you could have inflight adjustable props.
> The amount of prop blast from the front engine effects the amount of pitch
> required on the rear prop. And to pitch the props fine enough so that can
> fly on one engine, then they're too fine for cruise with both engines....
> And besides, who wants to deal with TWO 2-strokes at once, one is more than
> enough....
>
>
> I wanted to stop at a small outback town for fuel, but the proper airstrip
> was 3 miles out and not on a main road, so no chance of a ride in. I'd
> phoned the service station to ask if ultralights or gyros landed anywhere
> nearby. They use them for rounding up sheep out there. He said, yeh they
> land out on the side road and taxi in for fuel. so that's where I was
> looking to land.
>
>
> I wanted to land right near the servo and did a precautionary circuit. The
> road was narrow with guide posts just wide enough, but a gusty hot x-wind
> made it very rough when I got down close, so I elected to go farther out
> where the road was wider and no guide posts. Unfortunately I extended my
> approach at power line height.....
>
>
> *- Dumb thing to do, must always be either above or below power line
> height....... *
>
> *- And should have pulled up and done another precautionary circuit......*
>
>
> I just got a glimpse of the single wire as it flashed underneath, then
> felt that sickening deceleration as the wheels hooked on it...... Poured on
> full power to try to break the wire, but no chance of that. With that 80hp
> at high thrust line and the wheels hooked down under, the aircraft
> pitched forward instantly and hit the road vertical nose-down still at full
> power......
>
>
> An almighty crunch then silence..... Then the tension in the wire pulled
> the aircraft back off the road into a shallow ditch. I sat there for a
> moment, surprised that I was still conscious, and checking for injuries.
> Only a sharp stinging sensation in one ankle. Then a drop of blood ran down
> my forehead and dripped off my nose.... Reached up and felt a wet gooey
> mess on the top of my head, and then I felt some real alarm..... But when I
> brought my hand down it was covered with green oil, the 2-stroke oil that I
> had stored up in the wing root, what a relief! The blood had come from a
> minor cut on my head.
>
>
> Didn't smell any fuel, but thinking of fire decided to crawl out. Once
> again not real smart cause still hooked to the wire that could have been
> live..... But fortunately it had tripped the circuit breaker when it hit
> the ground..... Then sat down to think about the situation and made another
> mistake by sitting down in a patch of burrs .....
>
>
> Soon a vehicle came by and radioed the police. While we were waiting the
> wire suddenly snapped tight and broke and whipped off through the brush....
> Turned out that I'd stretched the wire and it had sagged a bit where it
> crossed the main highway not far away. Then a truck carrying a tall backhoe
> came along at speed and hooked the wire and dragged it about a kilometer
> until the driver realized what had happened and got stopped....
>
>
> The policeman arrived and drove me to the hospital. He kept asking what I
> was going to do with the aircraft?? I wasn't worried cause it was in the
> ditch and I figured I'd be able to go out later and take it apart. I had
> noticed that the framework was broken between the BRS chute and the
> actuating handle so I was going to need an allen key to disconnect the
> handle before some movement pulled on the cable. The doctor was out on a
> call so I had to sit to wait for him. Before the policeman left he had
> said, "...we'll sort it out..." Then I realized that when a country boy
> says that it means that, they're going to do something... I called the
> nurse and she called the police on the radio to tell them to leave it
> alone....
>
>
> But he came back to say it was two minutes too late! He had gone and found
> a front end loader and conscripted a couple of the layabouts who hang
> around the pub all day, and they attempted to move the aircraft. They knew
> nothing about such aircraft, so they were very gingerly approaching it.
> With one man on each wing and tail they were carefully lifting it with the
> loader when the cable went tight and the BRS rocket went off! Those rockets
> go off with a loud blast and a cloud of smoke, and the billowing chute was
> bright orange, so the impression would have been a fuel explosion! The word
> is true that one man actually crapped his pants right away! And the other
> had never worked and lived on a disability pension because he claimed to
> have a bad heart, but now they reckon that if he survived that shock then
> his heart was okay. In the pub they still tease those guys about all
> that......
>
>
> The policeman came back to the hospital to ask for my flying license.
> There was a phone number on there of the Recreational Flying Association
> that regulates our licensing, so he rang them. They were really good in
> those days, and told him they would look after it and just for me to phone
> them when I could, just the answer he wanted to hear cause it was then out
> of his hands so no paperwork.... He didn't know exactly what to do about
> the incident, but was trying to be considerate and helpful. So he reckoned
> that it was against the law to land on the road but he couldn't hardly
> charge me for crashing on the road so he didn't figure on doing anything,
> which suited me just fine.... Then he asked if I had insurance..... I told
> him that I didn't have any and would have to wear it on my own. to which he
> said, "...Oh dear..." and then left.
>
>
> I spent a couple of days in the local hospital with a shattered heel bone,
> which didn't hurt right at the time but sure gets painful later.... Finally
> a Flying Doctor flight was diverted to carry me to the city for surgery,
> etc, a heck of a lot better than a 5 hr road trip in that condition.
>
>
> That's the last I heard about it, until news came back much later that
> they had charged the trucking company for carrying an over-height load
> without a permit and escort and made their insurance pay the damages. A
> month later when I finally was able to go back out there with a trailer to
> collect the remains of the aircraft, I noticed a lot of shiny new wire and
> insulators and all the undergrowth neatly cleared from under the power
> line...... And a white spot of fiberglass particles from the nose pod still
> embedded in the middle of the road......
>
>
> A year later I heard from a friend who had been on a pig shooting trip out
> there, and that they're still telling this story in the pub, probably much
> embellished by now.......
>
>
> p.s.- I got into this trouble by carelessness, but got out of it because
> of what I had done before the incident. I'd very much strengthened the
> pilot protection. Originally the Beaver just had thin wall light aluminum
> tubing down in front of the pilot, but I replaced it with 3mm wall tubing
> with welded gussets to attach to the rest of the structure. And steel
> square section to join up underneath. Triangulated for strength. Some extra
> weight but worth every bit of it. Without it I would have been roadkill.....
>
>
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Flying stories |
John G - John H: God bless you both and thank you both for starting out New Years
Day 2018 with 2 great stories. My wife was out in the dining room and yelled
back at me "What are you laughing at so hard?"
I gotta share these with my buds. Thanks again.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is amazing.
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Flying stories |
I feel fortunate I could remember that far back. ;-)
Glad you all enjoyed.
Again, I wish you could hear this Aussie share the story about the power
line. It'll make you laugh
'til you cry.
john h
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pike
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2018 3:35 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flying stories
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John G - John H: God bless you both and thank you both for starting out New
Years Day 2018 with 2 great stories. My wife was out in the dining room and
yelled back at me "What are you laughing at so hard?"
I gotta share these with my buds. Thanks again.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and Grace really is
amazing.
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kolb-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains Kolb-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Kolb-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Kolb-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
kolb-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
*******************
*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "kolb-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Kolb-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
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*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the Kolb-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/kolb-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Kolb-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Kolb-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Kolb-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Kolb-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Kolb-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the Kolb-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Kolb
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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