Kolb-List Digest Archive

Thu 03/29/18


Total Messages Posted: 7



Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 04:09 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (Stuart Harner)
     2. 05:55 PM - Re: Wing structure upgrades (k3x)
     3. 06:12 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (John Hauck)
     4. 06:33 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (Russ Kinne)
     5. 06:36 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (west1m)
     6. 07:56 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (Stuart Harner)
     7. 08:56 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (Charlie England)
 
 
 


Message 1


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:09:00 PM PST US
    From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
    Subject: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
    That is a pretty good solution, but for fueling without holding the can up in the air I went with a battery operated pump. Look on Amazon or your favorite shopping site for a TerraPump. The one I have was about $40. Runs on 2 or 4 AA batteries. Has adaptors to fit many brands of gas cans. The pump goes down in the can and will reach the bottom of my 6 gallon Rubbermaid ones. It has a fuel sensor that will shut the pump off when the tank gets full. The pump won=99t lift fuel very far but on a nearly level transfer on 3 good batteries it will move 5 gallons in 2.5 minutes and not spill a drop. For filling my Firefly I have an old plastic spool that when stood on end is just the right height to set the can with the pump on. Then put the hose in the fuel tank (it clips right on) and hit the start button. It will run until the tank is full , the auto shut off. I will try and remember to take some pictures next time I am fueling. Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... I came up with a simple fix to fuel my mkiii. I made an extension to fit my gas can nozzle. With the 5 gal gas can on the ground the extension will go to the bottom of my 16 gal alum tank. I lift the fuel can to my shoulder, grab an exposed alum hinge to eliminate static. Boyd Young


    Message 2


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:55:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing structure upgrades
    From: "k3x" <consort2@msn.com>
    Hello to all..... Good eye for detail John.... I needed to draw the line somewhere and this is where I chose to compromise a bit..... perhaps in the next, and hopefully last "pre-cover" post it will make sense. All up, the wing mods added a total of 14 pounds of materials. 9.8 pounds of which I'll add tomorrow, so are not in today's photos. Please do not assume that I believe the Kolb Mk3-X design is lacking..... this is just stuff I had the time and inclination to fab up & see how it works out in my application. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478923#478923 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02128_365.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02130_980.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc02127_194.jpg


    Message 3


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:12:54 PM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
    That sounds pretty darn neat. Fueling the MKIII ain't like it used to be. I could use something like that, but I have to pump all the way to the top of the wing. That little pump might be grunting to push fuel that high. Wonder if you could get a transformer that equates to 4 AA bats? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:09 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... That is a pretty good solution, but for fueling without holding the can up in the air I went with a battery operated pump. Look on Amazon or your favorite shopping site for a TerraPump. The one I have was about $40. Runs on 2 or 4 AA batteries. Has adaptors to fit many brands of gas cans. The pump goes down in the can and will reach the bottom of my 6 gallon Rubbermaid ones. It has a fuel sensor that will shut the pump off when the tank gets full. The pump won=99t lift fuel very far but on a nearly level transfer on 3 good batteries it will move 5 gallons in 2.5 minutes and not spill a drop. For filling my Firefly I have an old plastic spool that when stood on end is just the right height to set the can with the pump on. Then put the hose in the fuel tank (it clips right on) and hit the start button. It will run until the tank is full , the auto shut off. I will try and remember to take some pictures next time I am fueling. Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... I came up with a simple fix to fuel my mkiii. I made an extension to fit my gas can nozzle. With the 5 gal gas can on the ground the extension will go to the bottom of my 16 gal alum tank. I lift the fuel can to my shoulder, grab an exposed alum hinge to eliminate static. Boyd Young


    Message 4


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:33:49 PM PST US
    From: Russ Kinne <russk50@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
    John 4AA=99s yield 6 volts. I'll bet a regular 6v battery charger would work just fine, on low power, prolly 2 amps Russ > On Mar 29, 2018, at 9:12 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com <mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com>> wrote: > > That sounds pretty darn neat. Fueling the MKIII ain't like it used to be. I could use something like that, but I have to pump all the way to the top of the wing. That little pump might be grunting to push fuel that high. > > Wonder if you could get a transformer that equates to 4 AA bats? > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:09 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... > > That is a pretty good solution, but for fueling without holding the can up in the air I went with a battery operated pump. > > Look on Amazon or your favorite shopping site for a TerraPump. > > > The one I have was about $40. Runs on 2 or 4 AA batteries. Has adaptors to fit many brands of gas cans. > The pump goes down in the can and will reach the bottom of my 6 gallon Rubbermaid ones. It has a fuel sensor that will shut the pump off when the tank gets full. The pump won=99t lift fuel very far but on a nearly level transfer on 3 good batteries it will move 5 gallons in 2.5 minutes and not spill a drop. > > For filling my Firefly I have an old plastic spool that when stood on end is just the right height to set the can with the pump on. Then put the hose in the fuel tank (it clips right on) and hit the start button. It will run until the tank is full , the auto shut off. > > I will try and remember to take some pictures next time I am fueling. > > Stuart > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of B Young > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:59 AM > To: Kolb List > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... > > I came up with a simple fix to fuel my mkiii. I made an extension to fit my gas can nozzle. With the 5 gal gas can on the ground the extension will go to the bottom of my 16 gal alum tank. I lift the fuel can to my shoulder, grab an exposed alum hinge to eliminate static. > > Boyd Young


    Message 5


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:36:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
    From: "west1m" <west1m@hotmail.com>
    The Terra pump looks great i'll have to order one... I have been using the long skinny one like the Sierra pump on Amazon to fill my Firefly. Which does work fairly well but doesn't pump too high just put the can in the seat but the pump flops around and the switch broke right away and I had to solder in a new one. -------- West1m Hastings, MN Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478926#478926


    Message 6


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:56:08 PM PST US
    From: "Stuart Harner" <stuart@harnerfarm.net>
    Subject: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
    I don=99t think the pump will push more than a foot or two of head pressure. My little stand makes it nearly level with the tank, but if it is lower, the flow rate sure slows down. Pretty sure the motor works on only 3 volts as it will run on only two AA=99s. The second two batteries just give it more amps. I use rechargeable batteries and have never had to recharge them during the summer. Of course, I don=99t fly as much or use as much fuel as most people. Since I had the batteries and charger for other devices it is no big deal to just swap them out when they get low. I have been thinking about making a transfer pump for diesel for my little tractor. A Faucet style 12v. pump with 5/16=9D fittings should provide enough flow to fill my little 4 gallon tank in a couple of minutes. Might work for your airplane too. Since you have a ready 12v. power supply right there. Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:13 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... That sounds pretty darn neat. Fueling the MKIII ain't like it used to be. I could use something like that, but I have to pump all the way to the top of the wing. That little pump might be grunting to push fuel that high. Wonder if you could get a transformer that equates to 4 AA bats? john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:09 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... That is a pretty good solution, but for fueling without holding the can up in the air I went with a battery operated pump. Look on Amazon or your favorite shopping site for a TerraPump. The one I have was about $40. Runs on 2 or 4 AA batteries. Has adaptors to fit many brands of gas cans. The pump goes down in the can and will reach the bottom of my 6 gallon Rubbermaid ones. It has a fuel sensor that will shut the pump off when the tank gets full. The pump won=99t lift fuel very far but on a nearly level transfer on 3 good batteries it will move 5 gallons in 2.5 minutes and not spill a drop. For filling my Firefly I have an old plastic spool that when stood on end is just the right height to set the can with the pump on. Then put the hose in the fuel tank (it clips right on) and hit the start button. It will run until the tank is full , the auto shut off. I will try and remember to take some pictures next time I am fueling. Stuart From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:59 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... I came up with a simple fix to fuel my mkiii. I made an extension to fit my gas can nozzle. With the 5 gal gas can on the ground the extension will go to the bottom of my 16 gal alum tank. I lift the fuel can to my shoulder, grab an exposed alum hinge to eliminate static. Boyd Young


    Message 7


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:56:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
    From: Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
    Do give it some thought before rolling your own gas pump=2E The little AA p owered ones get away with it by using such a low voltage that it can't make a strong enough spark to light the gas=2E Not much risk inside the tank an yway (too rich), but a 12v battery and a switch outside the tank deserves r espect when used to pump gas=2E =81=A3Charlie=8B On Mar 29, 2018 , 10:58 PM, at 10:58 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm=2Enet> wrote: >I don=99t think the pump will push more than a foot or two of head >pre ssure=2E My little stand makes it nearly level with the tank, but if >it is lower, the flow rate sure slows down=2E > > > >Pretty sure the motor work s on only 3 volts as it will run on only two >AA=99s=2E The second tw o batteries just give it more amps=2E I use >rechargeable batteries and hav e never had to recharge them during the >summer=2E Of course, I don =99t fly as much or use as much fuel as most >people=2E Since I had the bat teries and charger for other devices it is >no big deal to just swap them o ut when they get low=2E > > > >I have been thinking about making a transf er pump for diesel for my >little tractor=2E A Faucet style 12v=2E pump wit h 5/16=9D fittings should >provide enough flow to fill my little 4 ga llon tank in a couple of >minutes=2E Might work for your airplane too=2E Si nce you have a ready 12v=2E >power supply right there=2E > > > >S tuart > > > >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics=2Ecom >[mailto:owner-k olb-list-server@matronics=2Ecom] On Behalf Of John Hauck >Sent: Thursday, M arch 29, 2018 8:13 PM >To: kolb-list@matronics=2Ecom >Subject: RE: Kolb-Lis t: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install=2E=2E=2E=2E > > > >That sounds pretty darn n eat=2E Fueling the MKIII ain't like it used to >be=2E I could use somethi ng like that, but I have to pump all the way to >the top of the wing=2E Th at little pump might be grunting to push fuel >that high=2E > > > >Wonder if you could get a transformer that equates to 4 AA bats? > > > >john h > >mkIII > >Titus, Alabama > > > >From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics=2Ec om >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics=2Ecom] On Behalf Of Stuart >Ha rner >Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:09 PM >To: kolb-list@matronics=2Ecom >Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install=2E=2E=2E=2E > > > >Th at is a pretty good solution, but for fueling without holding the can >up i n the air I went with a battery operated pump=2E > > > >Look on Amazon or your favorite shopping site for a TerraPump=2E > > > > > >The one I have was about $40=2E Runs on 2 or 4 AA batteries=2E Has adaptors >to fit many b rands of gas cans=2E > >The pump goes down in the can and will reach the b ottom of my 6 gallon >Rubbermaid ones=2E It has a fuel sensor that will shu t the pump off when >the tank gets full=2E The pump won=99t lift fuel very far but on a nearly >level transfer on 3 good batteries it will move 5 gallons in 2=2E5 >minutes and not spill a drop=2E > > > >For filling my Firefly I have an old plastic spool that when stood on >end is just the rig ht height to set the can with the pump on=2E Then put >the hose in the fuel tank (it clips right on) and hit the start button=2E >It will run until th e tank is full , the auto shut off=2E > > > >I will try and remember to ta ke some pictures next time I am fueling=2E > > > >Stuart > > > >From: own er-kolb-list-server@matronics=2Ecom >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matroni cs=2Ecom] On Behalf Of B Young >Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:59 AM >To: Kolb List >Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install=2E=2E=2E=2E > > > >I came up with a simple fix to fuel my mkiii=2E I made an extensi on to >fit my gas can nozzle=2E With the 5 gal gas can on the ground the >extension will go to the bottom of my 16 gal alum tank=2E I lift the >fue l can to my shoulder, grab an exposed alum hinge to eliminate >static=2E > > > >Boyd Young




    Other Matronics Email List Services

  • Post A New Message
  •   kolb-list@matronics.com
  • UN/SUBSCRIBE
  •   http://www.matronics.com/subscription
  • List FAQ
  •   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm
  • Web Forum Interface To Lists
  •   http://forums.matronics.com
  • Matronics List Wiki
  •   http://wiki.matronics.com
  • 7-Day List Browse
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list
  • Browse Kolb-List Digests
  •   http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list
  • Browse Other Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse
  • Live Online Chat!
  •   http://www.matronics.com/chat
  • Archive Downloading
  •   http://www.matronics.com/archives
  • Photo Share
  •   http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
  • Other Email Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
  • Contributions
  •   http://www.matronics.com/contribution

    These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.

    -- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --