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1. 04:09 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (Stuart Harner)
2. 05:55 PM - Re: Wing structure upgrades (k3x)
3. 06:12 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (John Hauck)
4. 06:33 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (Russ Kinne)
5. 06:36 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (west1m)
6. 07:56 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (Stuart Harner)
7. 08:56 PM - Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... (Charlie England)
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Subject: | Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... |
That is a pretty good solution, but for fueling without holding the can
up in the air I went with a battery operated pump.
Look on Amazon or your favorite shopping site for a TerraPump.
The one I have was about $40. Runs on 2 or 4 AA batteries. Has adaptors
to fit many brands of gas cans.
The pump goes down in the can and will reach the bottom of my 6 gallon
Rubbermaid ones. It has a fuel sensor that will shut the pump off when
the tank gets full. The pump won=99t lift fuel very far but on a
nearly level transfer on 3 good batteries it will move 5 gallons in 2.5
minutes and not spill a drop.
For filling my Firefly I have an old plastic spool that when stood on
end is just the right height to set the can with the pump on. Then put
the hose in the fuel tank (it clips right on) and hit the start button.
It will run until the tank is full , the auto shut off.
I will try and remember to take some pictures next time I am fueling.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
I came up with a simple fix to fuel my mkiii. I made an extension to
fit my gas can nozzle. With the 5 gal gas can on the ground the
extension will go to the bottom of my 16 gal alum tank. I lift the fuel
can to my shoulder, grab an exposed alum hinge to eliminate static.
Boyd Young
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Subject: | Re: Wing structure upgrades |
Hello to all.....
Good eye for detail John.... I needed to draw the line somewhere and this
is where I chose to compromise a bit..... perhaps in the next, and hopefully last
"pre-cover" post it will make sense.
All up, the wing mods added a total of 14 pounds of materials. 9.8 pounds
of which I'll add tomorrow, so are not in today's photos. Please do not assume
that I believe the Kolb Mk3-X design is lacking..... this is just stuff I
had the time and inclination to fab up & see how it works out in my application.
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Subject: | Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... |
That sounds pretty darn neat. Fueling the MKIII ain't like it used to
be. I could use something like that, but I have to pump all the way to
the top of the wing. That little pump might be grunting to push fuel
that high.
Wonder if you could get a transformer that equates to 4 AA bats?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
That is a pretty good solution, but for fueling without holding the can
up in the air I went with a battery operated pump.
Look on Amazon or your favorite shopping site for a TerraPump.
The one I have was about $40. Runs on 2 or 4 AA batteries. Has adaptors
to fit many brands of gas cans.
The pump goes down in the can and will reach the bottom of my 6 gallon
Rubbermaid ones. It has a fuel sensor that will shut the pump off when
the tank gets full. The pump won=99t lift fuel very far but on a
nearly level transfer on 3 good batteries it will move 5 gallons in 2.5
minutes and not spill a drop.
For filling my Firefly I have an old plastic spool that when stood on
end is just the right height to set the can with the pump on. Then put
the hose in the fuel tank (it clips right on) and hit the start button.
It will run until the tank is full , the auto shut off.
I will try and remember to take some pictures next time I am fueling.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
I came up with a simple fix to fuel my mkiii. I made an extension to
fit my gas can nozzle. With the 5 gal gas can on the ground the
extension will go to the bottom of my 16 gal alum tank. I lift the fuel
can to my shoulder, grab an exposed alum hinge to eliminate static.
Boyd Young
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Subject: | Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... |
John
4AA=99s yield 6 volts. I'll bet a regular 6v battery charger would
work just fine, on low power, prolly 2 amps
Russ
> On Mar 29, 2018, at 9:12 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com
<mailto:jhauck@elmore.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> That sounds pretty darn neat. Fueling the MKIII ain't like it used to
be. I could use something like that, but I have to pump all the way to
the top of the wing. That little pump might be grunting to push fuel
that high.
>
> Wonder if you could get a transformer that equates to 4 AA bats?
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of Stuart
Harner
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:09 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com <mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
>
> That is a pretty good solution, but for fueling without holding the
can up in the air I went with a battery operated pump.
>
> Look on Amazon or your favorite shopping site for a TerraPump.
>
>
> The one I have was about $40. Runs on 2 or 4 AA batteries. Has
adaptors to fit many brands of gas cans.
> The pump goes down in the can and will reach the bottom of my 6 gallon
Rubbermaid ones. It has a fuel sensor that will shut the pump off when
the tank gets full. The pump won=99t lift fuel very far but on a
nearly level transfer on 3 good batteries it will move 5 gallons in 2.5
minutes and not spill a drop.
>
> For filling my Firefly I have an old plastic spool that when stood on
end is just the right height to set the can with the pump on. Then put
the hose in the fuel tank (it clips right on) and hit the start button.
It will run until the tank is full , the auto shut off.
>
> I will try and remember to take some pictures next time I am fueling.
>
> Stuart
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of B Young
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:59 AM
> To: Kolb List
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
>
> I came up with a simple fix to fuel my mkiii. I made an extension
to fit my gas can nozzle. With the 5 gal gas can on the ground the
extension will go to the bottom of my 16 gal alum tank. I lift the fuel
can to my shoulder, grab an exposed alum hinge to eliminate static.
>
> Boyd Young
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Subject: | Re: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... |
The Terra pump looks great i'll have to order one... I have been using the long
skinny one like the Sierra pump on Amazon to fill my Firefly. Which does work
fairly well but doesn't pump too high just put the can in the seat but the pump
flops around and the switch broke right away and I had to solder in a new one.
--------
West1m
Hastings, MN
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Subject: | Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... |
I don=99t think the pump will push more than a foot or two of head
pressure. My little stand makes it nearly level with the tank, but if it
is lower, the flow rate sure slows down.
Pretty sure the motor works on only 3 volts as it will run on only two
AA=99s. The second two batteries just give it more amps. I use
rechargeable batteries and have never had to recharge them during the
summer. Of course, I don=99t fly as much or use as much fuel as
most people. Since I had the batteries and charger for other devices it
is no big deal to just swap them out when they get low.
I have been thinking about making a transfer pump for diesel for my
little tractor. A Faucet style 12v. pump with 5/16=9D fittings
should provide enough flow to fill my little 4 gallon tank in a couple
of minutes. Might work for your airplane too. Since you have a ready
12v. power supply right there.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:13 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
That sounds pretty darn neat. Fueling the MKIII ain't like it used to
be. I could use something like that, but I have to pump all the way to
the top of the wing. That little pump might be grunting to push fuel
that high.
Wonder if you could get a transformer that equates to 4 AA bats?
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Harner
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:09 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
That is a pretty good solution, but for fueling without holding the can
up in the air I went with a battery operated pump.
Look on Amazon or your favorite shopping site for a TerraPump.
The one I have was about $40. Runs on 2 or 4 AA batteries. Has adaptors
to fit many brands of gas cans.
The pump goes down in the can and will reach the bottom of my 6 gallon
Rubbermaid ones. It has a fuel sensor that will shut the pump off when
the tank gets full. The pump won=99t lift fuel very far but on a
nearly level transfer on 3 good batteries it will move 5 gallons in 2.5
minutes and not spill a drop.
For filling my Firefly I have an old plastic spool that when stood on
end is just the right height to set the can with the pump on. Then put
the hose in the fuel tank (it clips right on) and hit the start button.
It will run until the tank is full , the auto shut off.
I will try and remember to take some pictures next time I am fueling.
Stuart
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of B Young
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install....
I came up with a simple fix to fuel my mkiii. I made an extension to
fit my gas can nozzle. With the 5 gal gas can on the ground the
extension will go to the bottom of my 16 gal alum tank. I lift the fuel
can to my shoulder, grab an exposed alum hinge to eliminate static.
Boyd Young
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Subject: | Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install.... |
Do give it some thought before rolling your own gas pump=2E The little AA p
owered ones get away with it by using such a low voltage that it can't make
a strong enough spark to light the gas=2E Not much risk inside the tank an
yway (too rich), but a 12v battery and a switch outside the tank deserves r
espect when used to pump gas=2E
=81=A3Charlie=8B
On Mar 29, 2018
, 10:58 PM, at 10:58 PM, Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm=2Enet> wrote:
>I
don=99t think the pump will push more than a foot or two of head
>pre
ssure=2E My little stand makes it nearly level with the tank, but if
>it is
lower, the flow rate sure slows down=2E
>
>
>
>Pretty sure the motor work
s on only 3 volts as it will run on only two
>AA=99s=2E The second tw
o batteries just give it more amps=2E I use
>rechargeable batteries and hav
e never had to recharge them during the
>summer=2E Of course, I don
=99t fly as much or use as much fuel as most
>people=2E Since I had the bat
teries and charger for other devices it is
>no big deal to just swap them o
ut when they get low=2E
>
>
>
>I have been thinking about making a transf
er pump for diesel for my
>little tractor=2E A Faucet style 12v=2E pump wit
h 5/16=9D fittings should
>provide enough flow to fill my little 4 ga
llon tank in a couple of
>minutes=2E Might work for your airplane too=2E Si
nce you have a ready 12v=2E
>power supply right there=2E
>
>
>
>S
tuart
>
>
>
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics=2Ecom
>[mailto:owner-k
olb-list-server@matronics=2Ecom] On Behalf Of John Hauck
>Sent: Thursday, M
arch 29, 2018 8:13 PM
>To: kolb-list@matronics=2Ecom
>Subject: RE: Kolb-Lis
t: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install=2E=2E=2E=2E
>
>
>
>That sounds pretty darn n
eat=2E Fueling the MKIII ain't like it used to
>be=2E I could use somethi
ng like that, but I have to pump all the way to
>the top of the wing=2E Th
at little pump might be grunting to push fuel
>that high=2E
>
>
>
>Wonder
if you could get a transformer that equates to 4 AA bats?
>
>
>
>john h
>
>mkIII
>
>Titus, Alabama
>
>
>
>From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics=2Ec
om
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics=2Ecom] On Behalf Of Stuart
>Ha
rner
>Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 6:09 PM
>To: kolb-list@matronics=2Ecom
>Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install=2E=2E=2E=2E
>
>
>
>Th
at is a pretty good solution, but for fueling without holding the can
>up i
n the air I went with a battery operated pump=2E
>
>
>
>Look on Amazon or
your favorite shopping site for a TerraPump=2E
>
>
>
>
>
>The one I have
was about $40=2E Runs on 2 or 4 AA batteries=2E Has adaptors
>to fit many b
rands of gas cans=2E
>
>The pump goes down in the can and will reach the b
ottom of my 6 gallon
>Rubbermaid ones=2E It has a fuel sensor that will shu
t the pump off when
>the tank gets full=2E The pump won=99t lift fuel
very far but on a nearly
>level transfer on 3 good batteries it will move
5 gallons in 2=2E5
>minutes and not spill a drop=2E
>
>
>
>For filling my
Firefly I have an old plastic spool that when stood on
>end is just the rig
ht height to set the can with the pump on=2E Then put
>the hose in the fuel
tank (it clips right on) and hit the start button=2E
>It will run until th
e tank is full , the auto shut off=2E
>
>
>
>I will try and remember to ta
ke some pictures next time I am fueling=2E
>
>
>
>Stuart
>
>
>
>From: own
er-kolb-list-server@matronics=2Ecom
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matroni
cs=2Ecom] On Behalf Of B Young
>Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:59 AM
>To:
Kolb List
>Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mk3 Xtra Fuel Tank Install=2E=2E=2E=2E
>
>
>
>I came up with a simple fix to fuel my mkiii=2E I made an extensi
on to
>fit my gas can nozzle=2E With the 5 gal gas can on the ground the
>extension will go to the bottom of my 16 gal alum tank=2E I lift the
>fue
l can to my shoulder, grab an exposed alum hinge to eliminate
>static=2E
>
>
>
>Boyd Young
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