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1. 04:22 AM - Re: Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb? (John Hauck)
2. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb? (George Helton)
3. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb? (B Young)
4. 02:58 PM - Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb? (Bill Berle)
5. 03:06 PM - Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb? (Bill Berle)
6. 03:23 PM - High Thrust Line Question (Bill Berle)
7. 03:38 PM - Re: High Thrust Line Question (Larry Cottrell)
8. 03:50 PM - Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb? (John Hauck)
9. 03:50 PM - Re: High Thrust Line Question (John Hauck)
10. 04:04 PM - Re: High Thrust Line Question (Bill Berle)
11. 04:15 PM - Re: High Thrust Line Question (John Hauck)
12. 04:16 PM - Re: High Thrust Line Question (Bill Berle)
13. 04:56 PM - Re: High Thrust Line Question (Bill Berle)
14. 05:47 PM - Re: High Thrust Line Question (Larry Cottrell)
15. 07:49 PM - Re: High Thrust Line Question (Bill Berle)
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Subject: | Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb? |
Yes, I have slipped and spun the Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 3benny3
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 9:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?
No one ever done slips or spins in a Kolb?
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912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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Subject: | Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb? |
Sure, slips in a original Firestar and a Twinstar MKII.
Spins in both. Keep you airspeed up in slips like any other aircraft.
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Subject: | Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb? |
Me too both,,,, the slips are not as effective as say something with a
full length fuselage, with full flaps on the mkiii slips are not really
needed, I've spun the mkiii a couple times, started really high, till I
could determine how it recovered from the spin. Doing so I was fully
ready to pull the brs handle. My mkiii recovered with relaxed pressures on
the control. Your experience may be different.
Boyd Young
On Mon, May 7, 2018, 5:24 AM John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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> Yes, I have slipped and spun the Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of 3benny3
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 9:42 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?
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> No one ever done slips or spins in a Kolb?
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> 912ul King Kolbra ;fun plane
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> O300 Cessna 172B ;travel plane
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=479903#479903
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Subject: | Slipping and spins in a Kolb? |
posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
" Yes, I have slipped and spun the Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII."
John H in your experience, did the spin characteristics and spin recovery match
the "normal" expectations an average pilot would have for other small GA aircraft,
such as Cubs, Cessnas, Champs, etc?
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Subject: | Slipping and spins in a Kolb? |
posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
" Yes, I have slipped and spun the Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII."
John H in your experience, did the spin characteristics and spin recovery match
the "normal" expectations an average pilot would have for other small GA aircraft,
such as Cubs, Cessnas, Champs, etc?
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Subject: | High Thrust Line Question |
Kolbers, I ran into a significant problem on my Firestar, and it may cause me to
not be able to finish the project. I hope this is not as much of a problem as
I fear.
When I bought my HKS engine I did not know to ask whether it had one type gearbox
or another. It has the 3.47 to 1 box, which will spin a large propeller very
slowly.
After reading some ot the Kolb List stories about high thrust lines and putting
the Kolb over on its nose, I realized I wanted to keep the thrust line as low
as possible for best performance and handling. However, with the gearbox rotated
to the "down" position, it limited the propeller diameter to 64 inches with
a one inch tailboom clearance. With the 3.47 gearbox I have, a three blade propeller
with 62-64 inch diameter is not enough... the engine will overspeed before
I get the full amount of thrust.
Someone suggested using a four or five blade propeller, but that would prevent
the wings from folding back.
I contacted the engine distributor to ask if I could switch the gears around to
make my gearbox a 2.58 to 1 ratio,a nd you cannot do that without changing the
gearbox itself.
So I asked how much it would cost to buy a new gearbox, andit is way too high for
me to consider doing right now. Maybe when I win the lottery.
Someone else suggested that I turn the gearbox around facing "up", which would
allow a much larger propeller. My first reaction was "Oh goodness no, that will
raise the thrust line too high, and it will cause the airplane to nose over
on takeoff, I'll run out of elevator control, etc. etc...."
But then I realized that was an assumption rather than a known fact. Before I gave
up on the project, perhaps I can move the gearbox upwards and not have problems...
but how far?
So I would like to ask the experienced Kolbers: JUST EXACTLY HOW HIGH can the thrust
line be on a Kolb Firestar 2 before it creates safety/handling/nose-over
problems? Can the center of the propeller be 34 inches above the tailboom...36
inches...38 inches...40 inches????
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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Subject: | Re: High Thrust Line Question |
I'm swinging a 66 inch Warp with the gear box in the down position.
Larry
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> Kolbers, I ran into a significant problem on my Firestar, and it may cause
> me to not be able to finish the project. I hope this is not as much of a
> problem as I fear.
>
> When I bought my HKS engine I did not know to ask whether it had one type
> gearbox or another. It has the 3.47 to 1 box, which will spin a large
> propeller very slowly.
>
> After reading some ot the Kolb List stories about high thrust lines and
> putting the Kolb over on its nose, I realized I wanted to keep the thrust
> line as low as possible for best performance and handling. However, with
> the gearbox rotated to the "down" position, it limited the propeller
> diameter to 64 inches with a one inch tailboom clearance. With the 3.47
> gearbox I have, a three blade propeller with 62-64 inch diameter is not
> enough... the engine will overspeed before I get the full amount of thrust.
>
> Someone suggested using a four or five blade propeller, but that would
> prevent the wings from folding back.
>
> I contacted the engine distributor to ask if I could switch the gears
> around to make my gearbox a 2.58 to 1 ratio,a nd you cannot do that without
> changing the gearbox itself.
>
> So I asked how much it would cost to buy a new gearbox, andit is way too
> high for me to consider doing right now. Maybe when I win the lottery.
>
> Someone else suggested that I turn the gearbox around facing "up", which
> would allow a much larger propeller. My first reaction was "Oh goodness no,
> that will raise the thrust line too high, and it will cause the airplane to
> nose over on takeoff, I'll run out of elevator control, etc. etc...."
>
> But then I realized that was an assumption rather than a known fact.
> Before I gave up on the project, perhaps I can move the gearbox upwards and
> not have problems... but how far?
>
> So I would like to ask the experienced Kolbers: JUST EXACTLY HOW HIGH can
> the thrust line be on a Kolb Firestar 2 before it creates
> safety/handling/nose-over problems? Can the center of the propeller be 34
> inches above the tailboom...36 inches...38 inches...40 inches????
>
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
> for-profit entities
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>
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Subject: | Slipping and spins in a Kolb? |
Pretty much a pussy cat when it comes to flying. Spins are a no brainer. Sometimes
it helps to get into one, in a MKIII, by a nose high attitude until it stalls,
hard rudder and aileron. Relax the stick and it flies right out.
My original Firestar would only do a partial turn with the engine at idle. With
controls locked it would fly right out of it. However, engine off and it would
spin up like a top. Learned that one by accident.
I never flew a fixed wing before I flew the test flight for my Ultrastar 34 years
ago. I was rotary wing rated. Hadn't flown anything for eight years. Was
an easy flight except for landing. It was almost uncontrollable not to come
back on the stick when I made my approach. I was more concerned with stalls than
anything else. Didn't worry about that in a helicopter. After I got the
first landing out of the way, the rest were easy.
Kolbs are very easy aircraft to fly. Difficult to hurt yourself if you keep it
above the stall speed. They land so slowly one doesn't have to worry about landing
with power. Off the top of my head, most Kolb accidents are caused by
inadvertently letting the airspeed get too slow leading to a stall. Not correctly
reacting to the stall by pulling the stick back to make it fly, instead of
pushing it forward to regain airspeed.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Slipping and spins in a Kolb?
posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
" Yes, I have slipped and spun the Ultrastar, Firestar, and MKIII."
John H in your experience, did the spin characteristics and spin recovery match
the "normal" expectations an average pilot would have for other small GA aircraft,
such as Cubs, Cessnas, Champs, etc?
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Subject: | High Thrust Line Question |
Larry C's Warp is a two blade.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Cottrell
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: High Thrust Line Question
I'm swinging a 66 inch Warp with the gear box in the down position.
Larry
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Kolbers, I ran into a significant problem on my Firestar, and it may
cause me to not be able to finish the project. I hope this is not as
much of a problem as I fear.
When I bought my HKS engine I did not know to ask whether it had one
type gearbox or another. It has the 3.47 to 1 box, which will spin a
large propeller very slowly.
After reading some ot the Kolb List stories about high thrust lines and
putting the Kolb over on its nose, I realized I wanted to keep the
thrust line as low as possible for best performance and handling.
However, with the gearbox rotated to the "down" position, it limited the
propeller diameter to 64 inches with a one inch tailboom clearance. With
the 3.47 gearbox I have, a three blade propeller with 62-64 inch
diameter is not enough... the engine will overspeed before I get the
full amount of thrust.
Someone suggested using a four or five blade propeller, but that would
prevent the wings from folding back.
I contacted the engine distributor to ask if I could switch the gears
around to make my gearbox a 2.58 to 1 ratio,a nd you cannot do that
without changing the gearbox itself.
So I asked how much it would cost to buy a new gearbox, andit is way too
high for me to consider doing right now. Maybe when I win the lottery.
Someone else suggested that I turn the gearbox around facing "up", which
would allow a much larger propeller. My first reaction was "Oh goodness
no, that will raise the thrust line too high, and it will cause the
airplane to nose over on takeoff, I'll run out of elevator control, etc.
etc...."
But then I realized that was an assumption rather than a known fact.
Before I gave up on the project, perhaps I can move the gearbox upwards
and not have problems... but how far?
So I would like to ask the experienced Kolbers: JUST EXACTLY HOW HIGH
can the thrust line be on a Kolb Firestar 2 before it creates
safety/handling/nose-over problems? Can the center of the propeller be
34 inches above the tailboom...36 inches...38 inches...40 inches????
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
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Subject: | Re: High Thrust Line Question |
On Mon, 5/7/18, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm swinging a 66 inch Warp with the gear box in the down position.
With the 3.47 to 1 gearbox????
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Subject: | High Thrust Line Question |
I have run 72" props on my mkIII with 3/4" tail boom clearance. That puts the
center of thrust 36.375" above the top of the tail boom.
If the engine overpowers the elevator, come back on the power a bit. Doesn't take
much to get a Kolb off the ground. Soon as you get some airspeed, go back
to full throttle. I had to do that initially, when I upgraded from an 80 to
a 100 hp 912.
Kolbers that let the Kolb nose over on takeoff need to learn how to fly the airplane.
I don't dump the throttle on takeoff. Be gentle and it will do what you
want it too.
Go to longer main gear legs to put the nose up and put more weight on the tail
wheel.
These are things I have done over the years with my Kolbs. Not recommending anyone
else follow suit.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 5:22 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: High Thrust Line Question
Kolbers, I ran into a significant problem on my Firestar, and it may cause me to
not be able to finish the project. I hope this is not as much of a problem as
I fear.
When I bought my HKS engine I did not know to ask whether it had one type gearbox
or another. It has the 3.47 to 1 box, which will spin a large propeller very
slowly.
After reading some ot the Kolb List stories about high thrust lines and putting
the Kolb over on its nose, I realized I wanted to keep the thrust line as low
as possible for best performance and handling. However, with the gearbox rotated
to the "down" position, it limited the propeller diameter to 64 inches with
a one inch tailboom clearance. With the 3.47 gearbox I have, a three blade propeller
with 62-64 inch diameter is not enough... the engine will overspeed before
I get the full amount of thrust.
Someone suggested using a four or five blade propeller, but that would prevent
the wings from folding back.
I contacted the engine distributor to ask if I could switch the gears around to
make my gearbox a 2.58 to 1 ratio,a nd you cannot do that without changing the
gearbox itself.
So I asked how much it would cost to buy a new gearbox, andit is way too high for
me to consider doing right now. Maybe when I win the lottery.
Someone else suggested that I turn the gearbox around facing "up", which would
allow a much larger propeller. My first reaction was "Oh goodness no, that will
raise the thrust line too high, and it will cause the airplane to nose over
on takeoff, I'll run out of elevator control, etc. etc...."
But then I realized that was an assumption rather than a known fact. Before I gave
up on the project, perhaps I can move the gearbox upwards and not have problems...
but how far?
So I would like to ask the experienced Kolbers: JUST EXACTLY HOW HIGH can the thrust
line be on a Kolb Firestar 2 before it creates safety/handling/nose-over
problems? Can the center of the propeller be 34 inches above the tailboom...36
inches...38 inches...40 inches????
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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Subject: | Re: High Thrust Line Question |
On Mon, 5/7/18, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm swinging a 66 inch Warp with the gear box in the down position.
With the 3.47 to 1 gearbox????
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Subject: | High Thrust Line Question |
THANK YOU John H, I appreciate the experience you have shared.
I have already put very tall Slingshot gear legs on my Firestar to get the nose
up, and larger tires on top of that. I measured 32 inches from the edge of the
"socket" tube on the fuselage down the gear leg, around the bend, and down to
the axle, making this possibly the "tallest" Firestar out there. It sure looks
like a STOL airplane :)
I am also looking at photos and videos of Firestars and MK 3's, noticing how far
above the wing the thrust line is. I even watched the 20 year old Kolb promotional
ideo with a young John H flying the Slingshot :) It APPEARS from those
videos that my thrust line with the gearbox turned "up" should fall within those
dimensions.
Since turning the gearbox around doesn't cost anything, and since I really would
like to keep the Kolb and continue getting it in the air, it looks like I will
try this first and see. So I'll sell all my other airplane junk instead, and
use that money to finish the Kolb :)
Anyone need an A-65 engine or a nice Avid Flyer B model airframe?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Mon, 5/7/18, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: High Thrust Line Question
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, May 7, 2018, 4:14 PM
Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
I have run 72" props on my mkIII with
3/4" tail boom clearance. That puts the center of
thrust 36.375" above the top of the tail boom.
If the engine overpowers the elevator,
come back on the power a bit. Doesn't take much to get
a Kolb off the ground. Soon as you get some airspeed,
go back to full throttle. I had to do that initially,
when I upgraded from an 80 to a 100 hp 912.
Kolbers that let the Kolb nose over on
takeoff need to learn how to fly the airplane. I don't
dump the throttle on takeoff. Be gentle and it will do
what you want it too.
Go to longer main gear legs to put the
nose up and put more weight on the tail wheel.
These are things I have done over the
years with my Kolbs. Not recommending anyone else
follow suit.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of Bill Berle
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 5:22 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Kolb-List: High Thrust Line
Question
Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
Kolbers, I ran into a significant
problem on my Firestar, and it may cause me to not be able
to finish the project. I hope this is not as much of a
problem as I fear.
When I bought my HKS engine I did not
know to ask whether it had one type gearbox or another. It
has the 3.47 to 1 box, which will spin a large propeller
very slowly.
After reading some ot the Kolb List
stories about high thrust lines and putting the Kolb over on
its nose, I realized I wanted to keep the thrust line as low
as possible for best performance and handling. However, with
the gearbox rotated to the "down" position, it limited the
propeller diameter to 64 inches with a one inch tailboom
clearance. With the 3.47 gearbox I have, a three blade
propeller with 62-64 inch diameter is not enough... the
engine will overspeed before I get the full amount of
thrust.
Someone suggested using a four or five
blade propeller, but that would prevent the wings from
folding back.
I contacted the engine distributor to
ask if I could switch the gears around to make my gearbox a
2.58 to 1 ratio,a nd you cannot do that without changing the
gearbox itself.
So I asked how much it would cost to
buy a new gearbox, andit is way too high for me to consider
doing right now. Maybe when I win the lottery.
Someone else suggested that I turn the
gearbox around facing "up", which would allow a much larger
propeller. My first reaction was "Oh goodness no, that will
raise the thrust line too high, and it will cause the
airplane to nose over on takeoff, I'll run out of elevator
control, etc. etc...."
But then I realized that was an
assumption rather than a known fact. Before I gave up on the
project, perhaps I can move the gearbox upwards and not have
problems... but how far?
So I would like to ask the experienced
Kolbers: JUST EXACTLY HOW HIGH can the thrust line be on a
Kolb Firestar 2 before it creates safety/handling/nose-over
problems? Can the center of the propeller be 34 inches above
the tailboom...36 inches...38 inches...40 inches????
Bill Berle
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& performance upgrade for light aircraft
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Subject: | Re: High Thrust Line Question |
I don't know for sure what gear box, but whatever, the location of the
propeller shaft shouldn't change. Why don't you call Daryl at Warp and tell
him what you have and what he recommends. John turned me on to him and he
hasn't done me or anyone that I know of, wrong.
Larry
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>
> On Mon, 5/7/18, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm swinging a 66 inch Warp with the gear box in the down position.
>
> With the 3.47 to 1 gearbox????
>
>
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Subject: | Re: High Thrust Line Question |
With the propeller shaft in the SAME "down" position, the 3.47 gearbox I have will
make the propeller turn at 1671 RPM at theax. coninuous power of 5800 engine
RPM. At "cruise" RPM it will turn even slower. With the 2.58 gearbox that I
suspect you have, your propeller will turn almost 2250 at 5800 engine RPM.
So with those numbers, in order to get the same thrust (and absorb the same 60
horsepower and torque from the HKS) I would need a whole lot more propeller blade
area than you would need. Usually you can just put on a 4 blade prop or 5
blade, and that will do the trick. But with a Kolb you can't do it and still fold
the wings.
Putting on a much wider chord propeller blade (a paddle prop that looks like a
T-28 warbird) could work, but again in this case the prop blades would hit the
rear of the wing when folded.
HKS says the gearbox will take almost $2000 to buy, plus some special tools they
would rent me, and however much time from a qualified mechanic familiar with
these engines. Plus the use of a hydraulic shop press. That is not gonna work
in my current situation, and so I briefly considered selling everything I had,
engine, airframe, etc. and starting over with another option. But now I have
myself calmed down a little and am not throwing wrenches across the shop cursing
:)
So before I do anything rash, I want to figure out whether the "up" position of
the gearbox is a minor problem or a huge problem. I know that "down" is the preference,
but that cannot happen because I have the wrong gearbox.
I will be HAPPY to call Warp Drive and ask them, he may have some magic wand that
the other prop manufacturers don't have.
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Mon, 5/7/18, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: High Thrust Line Question
To: "kolb-list@matronics.com" <kolb-list@matronics.com>
Date: Monday, May 7, 2018, 5:45 PM
I don't know for
sure what gear box, but whatever, the location of the
propeller shaft shouldn't change. Why don't you call
Daryl at Warp and tell him what you have and what he
recommends. John turned me on to him and he hasn't done
me or anyone that I know of,
wrong.Larry
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at
5:02 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
On Mon, 5/7/18, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'm swinging a 66 inch Warp with the gear box in
the down position.
With the 3.47 to 1 gearbox????
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