---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/08/18: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:10 PM - 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID (Charlie England) 2. 05:38 PM - Re: faa forms (japowell) 3. 08:19 PM - Re: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID (Larry Cottrell) 4. 08:30 PM - Re: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID (Larry Cottrell) 5. 09:13 PM - Re: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:38 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Kolb-List: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID Hi guys, I'm trying to add a rectifier/regulator to my old point-ignition 503, & need some regulator pinout verification. I bought a used '3 phase' regulator from an ebay vendor, but when it arrived, it was almost certainly an old single phase unit, with 4 wires & no heat sink fins. It had all the characteristics described in a CPS document about Rotax charging systems; AC output unless it was connected to a big battery or a load. The seller agreed to send me another regulator, which physically looks like the typical 3 phase unit, but has 2 yellow, one brown, one black, and one white/red stripe wires. Brand is Mitsubishi; label on the side starts with 'TS10BR??' (last tow characters unreadable), then under it, 'C99', which I assume is a date code. Molded into the mounting flange are: 'TS10' and under that, 'BRiK-L' with no dot over the 'i'; just a half height vertical line. I'm betting on the 2 yellows for AC from the alternator. But the CPS document for the 264-870 shows black as DC+ to the load (seems suspicious, for a DC circuit), a 3rd yellow as 'not connected' and no color at all for ground. I fed the 2 yellows 12V DC from a battery, and got +12V on the white/red wire, referenced to either the black wire, or the brown wire. No wire is common to the metal case. So, it seems reasonable to assume that wh/red is positive and black is ground. Before I actually hook this thing to the alternator and a load, can anyone verify that I've properly ID'd the wires? Thanks, Charlie Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:41 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: faa forms From: "japowell" mojavjoe Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you. The forms you need are FAA form 8130-6, sections I, II, and II. Form 8130-12 Sections I, II, and II and notarized in Section IV. Have AC form 8050-3 in your possession. Enclose a 3 D drawing of the plane. Have W & B completed and enclose a copy with the application. Have a construction log and make sure all markings are done per part 45. Enclose a program letter asking for an inspection. Hope this helps, -------- Jim P WAR EAGLE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=481496#481496 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:23 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID Is this what you are looking for? Larry On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Charlie England wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm trying to add a rectifier/regulator to my old point-ignition 503, & > need some regulator pinout verification. > > I bought a used '3 phase' regulator from an ebay vendor, but when it > arrived, it was almost certainly an old single phase unit, with 4 wires & > no heat sink fins. It had all the characteristics described in a CPS > document about Rotax charging systems; AC output unless it was connected to > a big battery or a load. > > The seller agreed to send me another regulator, which physically looks > like the typical 3 phase unit, but has 2 yellow, one brown, one black, and > one white/red stripe wires. Brand is Mitsubishi; label on the side starts > with 'TS10BR??' (last tow characters unreadable), then under it, 'C99', > which I assume is a date code. Molded into the mounting flange are: 'TS10' > and under that, 'BRiK-L' with no dot over the 'i'; just a half height > vertical line. > > I'm betting on the 2 yellows for AC from the alternator. But the CPS > document for the 264-870 shows black as DC+ to the load (seems suspicious, > for a DC circuit), a 3rd yellow as 'not connected' and no color at all for > ground. > > I fed the 2 yellows 12V DC from a battery, and got +12V on the white/red > wire, referenced to either the black wire, or the brown wire. No wire is > common to the metal case. So, it seems reasonable to assume that wh/red is > positive and black is ground. > > Before I actually hook this thing to the alternator and a load, can anyone > verify that I've properly ID'd the wires? > > Thanks, > > Charlie > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-1320481555148749474_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:22 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID Here is another page of the use. On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Charlie England wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm trying to add a rectifier/regulator to my old point-ignition 503, & > need some regulator pinout verification. > > I bought a used '3 phase' regulator from an ebay vendor, but when it > arrived, it was almost certainly an old single phase unit, with 4 wires & > no heat sink fins. It had all the characteristics described in a CPS > document about Rotax charging systems; AC output unless it was connected to > a big battery or a load. > > The seller agreed to send me another regulator, which physically looks > like the typical 3 phase unit, but has 2 yellow, one brown, one black, and > one white/red stripe wires. Brand is Mitsubishi; label on the side starts > with 'TS10BR??' (last tow characters unreadable), then under it, 'C99', > which I assume is a date code. Molded into the mounting flange are: 'TS10' > and under that, 'BRiK-L' with no dot over the 'i'; just a half height > vertical line. > > I'm betting on the 2 yellows for AC from the alternator. But the CPS > document for the 264-870 shows black as DC+ to the load (seems suspicious, > for a DC circuit), a 3rd yellow as 'not connected' and no color at all for > ground. > > I fed the 2 yellows 12V DC from a battery, and got +12V on the white/red > wire, referenced to either the black wire, or the brown wire. No wire is > common to the metal case. So, it seems reasonable to assume that wh/red is > positive and black is ground. > > Before I actually hook this thing to the alternator and a load, can anyone > verify that I've properly ID'd the wires? > > Thanks, > > Charlie > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-8104185725264075719_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID From: Charlie England Sorry; no=2E I consulted this doc: http://m=2Ecps-parts=2Ecom/cps/pdf/Part4 9=2Epdf The 1st model they sent matched the non-heatsink version in both ap pearance and performance=2E The 2nd looks like the heatsink version, but wi re colors are different=2E I was just hoping someone had used the Misubishi brand regulator & could verify wire colors=2E Thanks, =81=A3Charlie =8B On Jul 8, 2018, 10:34 PM, at 10:34 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: >Here is another page of the use=2E > >On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Charlie England >wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> I'm trying to add a rectifier/regulator to my old point-igni tion 503, >& >> need some regulator pinout verification=2E >> >> I bought a used '3 phase' regulator from an ebay vendor, but when it >> arrived, it w as almost certainly an old single phase unit, with 4 >wires & >> no heat si nk fins=2E It had all the characteristics described in a CPS >> document ab out Rotax charging systems; AC output unless it was >connected to >> a big battery or a load=2E >> >> The seller agreed to send me another regulator, which physically >looks >> like the typical 3 phase unit, but has 2 yellow, one brown, one >black, and >> one white/red stripe wires=2E Brand is Mitsu bishi; label on the side >starts >> with 'TS10BR??' (last tow characters un readable), then under it, >'C99', >> which I assume is a date code=2E Molde d into the mounting flange are: >'TS10' >> and under that, 'BRiK-L' with no dot over the 'i'; just a half height >> vertical line=2E >> >> I'm betting on the 2 yellows for AC from the alternator=2E But the CPS >> document for the 264-870 shows black as DC+ to the load (seems >suspicious, >> for a D C circuit), a 3rd yellow as 'not connected' and no color at >all for >> gro und=2E >> >> I fed the 2 yellows 12V DC from a battery, and got +12V on the >white/red >> wire, referenced to either the black wire, or the brown wire =2E No wire >is >> common to the metal case=2E So, it seems reasonable to a ssume that >wh/red is >> positive and black is ground=2E >> >> Before I act ually hook this thing to the alternator and a load, can >anyone >> verify t hat I've properly ID'd the wires? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Charlie >> >> >> > >Virus-free=2E >> www=2Eavast=2Ecom >> > >> <#m_-8104185725264075719_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FD F2> >> > > >-- >*The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who ar e intolerant of >others=2E* > >*If you forward this email, or any part of i t, please remove my email >address before sending=2E* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.