Kolb-List Digest Archive

Wed 08/08/18


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 03:07 AM - Re: Re: gear legs (George Helton)
     2. 04:39 AM - Re: gear legs (Gary Aman)
     3. 05:31 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 08/05/18 (Ted Cowan)
     4. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Denny Baber)
     5. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Firestar/HKS First FlightRe: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Denny Baber)
     6. 08:39 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Richard Pike)
     7. 10:49 AM - Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 08/05/18 (John Hauck)
     8. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Richard Girard)
     9. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: Firestar/HKS First FlightRe: Firestar/HKS First Flight (John Hauck)
    10. 12:12 PM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Rex Rodebush)
    11. 09:42 PM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Bill Berle)
    12. 10:20 PM - If any one has dealt with (Nick Cassara)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:07:59 AM PST US
    From: George Helton <gdhelton@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: gear legs
    Are those new legs? And what is their diameter where they enter the cage. The original Firestar used 1, but were later converted to 1.125 by pulling the aluminum sleeves out of the cage. George H. Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:17 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > Also, if anyone is in need of this, I have a set of the original aluminum Firestar gear legs. Might be useful for someone trying to keep a Firestar (or perhaps) Firefly as light as possible. > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Tue, 8/7/18, Vern <verdixbo@sisqtel.net> wrote: > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: gear legs > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 7:59 PM > > <verdixbo@sisqtel.net> > > Do your gear legs fit a Mark 3 classic. > I might be interested if they do. > > > Thanks Vern > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482172#482172 > > > > > > > The Kolb-List Email Forum - > Navigator to browse > List Un/Subscription, > 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > via the Web Forums! > - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > Email List Wiki! > - List Contribution Web Site - > support! > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:39:40 AM PST US
    From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: gear legs
    Russ, are those legs the tall tube or the short solid spring steel ones like rRick and I have Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Russ Kinne <russk50@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have a set of steel legs for the Mark 3, brand new, in factory > box, never unpacked. Cant use them Make me a (good) offer! > Russ Kinne > > >


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    Time: 05:31:03 AM PST US
    From: Ted Cowan <tc1917@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 08/05/18
    If you want a yank and bank a kolb, try the sling shot. High landing gear. Short fuse and only 22 feet of wing. Couple all that with a rotax 912/80 hp engine and you have a tiger by the tail. No heavy ails here. If you look left you go left. Very little pressure on stick. I love the plane. Take off in three hundred feet or less and can land on a dime. Not for a average pilot. If you know how to use a rudder and want to cruise 95 mph on 3.2 gph this is your toy. Been flying it for ten years and over eight hundred hours. If you set it up right (ask me and I will tell you how) it is a dream to fly. Flew original firestar over a thousand hrs. Great plane! Miss ole White Lightning but love my Grez'd Lightnin better. Can outrun the Hawk! Ted Cowan slingshot 912 zoom zoom Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2018, at 1:37 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server <kolb-list@matronics.com> wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 18-08-05&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 18-08-05&Archive=Kolb > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 08/05/18: 13 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 12:13 AM - Firestar/HKS First Flight (Bill Berle) > 2. 04:28 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Richard Pike) > 3. 04:54 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (George Helton) > 4. 07:31 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (John Hauck) > 5. 07:31 AM - Re: Bass Lake (TheWanderingWench) > 6. 07:54 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Gary Aman) > 7. 09:17 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Rex Rodebush) > 8. 11:29 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Bill Berle) > 9. 11:47 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (west1m) > 10. 02:30 PM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (George Helton) > 11. 03:15 PM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (lcottrell1020) > 12. 05:13 PM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Stuart Harner) > 13. 08:18 PM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Richard Pike) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:13:31 AM PST US > From: Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar/HKS First Flight > > > Finally after two years of screwing around and getting the HKS engine systems installed > and working, today was initial flight test day. > > I did two early morning high speed taxi runs down the runway, then five "crow hops" > from 5 feet to 50 feet AGL down the runway. Early morning before the tower > opened (none of the radio equipment I tried to use would work) , then later > in the evening (after the tower closed at 8PM local) one 10 minute flight doing > ovals around the runway at 500 AGL. > > Elevator and rudder light on the controls, ailerons heavy. This will need to be > addressed one way or another. > > Required 2 or 3 pounds of forward pressure on the stick for level flight. > > Indicated airspeed 50-55 MPH, no idea if this is accurate or not. > > Takeoff very short, did not attempt minimum speed landings yet. > > Ground steering sensitive but effective. > > "Deck Angle" in flight was much different than I had imagined. In order to maintain > level flight the instrument panel was way way down low below the horizon. > Lots lower than where I thought it should be. That is just my inexperience with > the Kolb and UL style aircraft in general. > > HKS engine ran well once warmed up. No sagging or "wandering" in flight. > > Maximum RPM in flight was 5750, I retarded the throttle to keep it below max continuous > RPM (5800). Might be adding one degree of pitch to the prop blades. > > My biggest mistake was due to inexperience with this type of aircraft.... when > I was at 500 AGL it looked to me like I was at 1500 AGL. I thought the altimeter > was wrong, but my ground crew and friends said "yep, looked like you were at > about 500 feet." I was shocked, I thought I was much higher than that! > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Sat, 8/4/18, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar/HKS Engine Test Run > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, August 4, 2018, 2:41 PM > > My neighbor, who did > the covering on my Twinstar, used a similar technique, but > it allows rotating the wing. We pinched the end of a piece > of water pipe (~1 foot long) so it would slide over that > attach point, and bolted it. It obviously has a bit of slop > in the fit, but won't come off. The pipe rests in a > 'saddle' made with 2 long 2x4s with a shorter one > between. Height of the center one enough to swing the > leading edge without hitting the floor. Wing tip on a padded > saw horse (or table, etc, whatever works for you). Obviously > requires a helper to move the saw horse while you rotate the > wing. When you're ready to rib stitch with a helper, > something lower like a milk crate would be needed. > Something I wish I'd done while it was > uncovered is to clip the wing back to the end of the main > spar. If the wing is clipped, you can just insert something > in the open end of the spar to support the tip. The end > could be closed with a plate after covering. I may yet clip > it. One side of my hangar has a 30' opening, and I could > keep it on that side instead of the main hangar. > Charlie > > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at > 3:37 PM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron@charter.net> > wrote: > "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net> > > > Sorry I don't have what you are asking for, but here is > the crude way that I did the MKIII: I have a steel support > pole in the middle of the garage that supports the upstairs > floor, and I put a extra long bolt through the rear spar > pivot point, band clamped it to that pole, and then set the > leading edge on two milk crates. One crate near the root and > one near the tip. Worked OK. Not great, but OK. > > > Had to put it on sawhorses to do the leading edge top and > bottom. > > > -------- > > Richard Pike > > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:28:35 AM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight > From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net> > > > Congratulations! > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482067#482067 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:54:43 AM PST US > From: George Helton > > > > >


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    Time: 06:26:34 AM PST US
    From: Denny Baber <baberdk@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight
    *The induce drag would be an order of magnitude greater with ailerons changing pitch trim than at the tail. So why would you fly in cruse with your ailerons drooped?* On the Challenger the seating is tandem and a passenger really really affected the trim. The ailerons would go up and down together and are called flaperons (flaps and ailerons). They are operated with a crank and I marked mine for just me and also for me and my wife. I would set the flaperons before take-off and would not have to re-trim in flight. I took off once without changing them for the weight shift and decided to make them operate while I flew. I put a R/C servo on them to make them electric but I ended up only setting them before I took off after that one mistake. Some of the guys would use them as air brakes on landing when we would go into short farmers fields but quit using them after we learned about each strip. It was still cool to have them. Respectfully, Dennis Baber Cape Coral, Fl baberdk@gmail.com Stay Curious


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    Time: 06:46:11 AM PST US
    From: Denny Baber <baberdk@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Firestar/HKS First FlightRe: Firestar/HKS First Flight
    My understanding is that spades are for aileron flutter. Respectfully, Dennis Baber Cape Coral, Fl baberdk@gmail.com 305-814-7218 Stay Curious


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    Time: 08:39:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight
    From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net>
    A few thoughts on drooping the flaps/ailerons: when I redid my cabin top, I relocated the flap mechanism down a few inches, and redid the linkage in the process. You can see in the picture that I have 3 holes close together for the area of normal flight. I use the bottom one for takeoff because it droops the ailerons a couple of degrees, barely enough to affect the trim. Doesn't seem to make much difference one way or another. The middle one (of the top 3) is for normal cruise. In this hole the flaps and ailerons are at the same angle. The top one is for normal cruise when carrying a passenger. Since all of the pilot/passenger weight in a MKIII is ahead of the CG, reflexing the flaps a couple of degrees means you don't need to use as much elevator trim when carrying a passenger. As John said, drooping or reflexing the ailerons is done in minute amounts. A little bit goes a long way, and the same is true for the flaps: moving the flap lever between these three top holes makes very little difference. Moving the flap lever down to the lower ones requires progressively a lot more up elevator trim to compensate. The link gives a lot more details http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg3.htm -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482186#482186 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flp2_141.jpg


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    Time: 10:49:35 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 08/05/18
    Ted C/Kolbers: IIRC there was a 582 on your new Slingshot. I flew over to your place to fly with you to Don and Ruby Wilson's. I can't remember. Would have to look at my log book for sure. Your zoom zoom couldn't keep up with big fat Miss P'fer flying 80-85 mph. Hopefully, it does a little better with the 912. After all...my MKIII is twice as big and much heavier than your little SS. ;-) 10 years? Didn't realize it had been that long. Yep...80-85 is my normal cruise burning 5 gph with the 912ULS. The 912UL burned 4 gph flying the same speed. Go figure??? I couldn't keep up with John Williamson's Kolbra after he took the Jabiru off and mounted the 912ULS. Before that I could outrun him. Guess my saving grace is Miss P'fers ability to haul everything I can think of to stuff in her for long cross country flights. Besides 150 lbs of fuel, she performs well loaded down with all my other stuff. I know you are enjoying your SS. I used to fly the first SS for Homer Kolb. It was powered with a 582. It was impressive and a lot of fun to fly. New Kolb Aircraft had Bruce Chesnut's SS that I flew for them, powered with a 912ULS, 100hp. The SS's fly much like the FF, only a Hell of a lot faster. What does your SS top out at, true airspeed? John Williamson did a speed flight down the black line on Bonneville Salt Flats the first time we landed there. He clocked 112 mph. Not bad for a big ultralight. RIP brother. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ted Cowan Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 7:19 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 08/05/18 If you want a yank and bank a kolb, try the sling shot. High landing gear. Short fuse and only 22 feet of wing. Couple all that with a rotax 912/80 hp engine and you have a tiger by the tail. No heavy ails here. If you look left you go left. Very little pressure on stick. I love the plane. Take off in three hundred feet or less and can land on a dime. Not for a average pilot. If you know how to use a rudder and want to cruise 95 mph on 3.2 gph this is your toy. Been flying it for ten years and over eight hundred hours. If you set it up right (ask me and I will tell you how) it is a dream to fly. Flew original firestar over a thousand hrs. Great plane! Miss ole White Lightning but love my Grez'd Lightnin better. Can outrun the Hawk! Ted Cowan slingshot 912 zoom zoom Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2018, at 1:37 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server <kolb-list@matronics.com> wrote: > > * > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 18-08-05&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 2018-08-05&Archive=Kolb > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 08/05/18: 13 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 12:13 AM - Firestar/HKS First Flight (Bill Berle) > 2. 04:28 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Richard Pike) > 3. 04:54 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (George Helton) > 4. 07:31 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (John Hauck) > 5. 07:31 AM - Re: Bass Lake (TheWanderingWench) > 6. 07:54 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Gary Aman) > 7. 09:17 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Rex Rodebush) > 8. 11:29 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Bill Berle) > 9. 11:47 AM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (west1m) > 10. 02:30 PM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (George Helton) > 11. 03:15 PM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (lcottrell1020) > 12. 05:13 PM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Stuart Harner) > 13. 08:18 PM - Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight (Richard Pike) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:13:31 AM PST US > From: Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar/HKS First Flight > > > Finally after two years of screwing around and getting the HKS engine systems installed > and working, today was initial flight test day. > > I did two early morning high speed taxi runs down the runway, then five "crow hops" > from 5 feet to 50 feet AGL down the runway. Early morning before the tower > opened (none of the radio equipment I tried to use would work) , then later > in the evening (after the tower closed at 8PM local) one 10 minute flight doing > ovals around the runway at 500 AGL. > > Elevator and rudder light on the controls, ailerons heavy. This will need to be > addressed one way or another. > > Required 2 or 3 pounds of forward pressure on the stick for level flight. > > Indicated airspeed 50-55 MPH, no idea if this is accurate or not. > > Takeoff very short, did not attempt minimum speed landings yet. > > Ground steering sensitive but effective. > > "Deck Angle" in flight was much different than I had imagined. In order to maintain > level flight the instrument panel was way way down low below the horizon. > Lots lower than where I thought it should be. That is just my inexperience with > the Kolb and UL style aircraft in general. > > HKS engine ran well once warmed up. No sagging or "wandering" in flight. > > Maximum RPM in flight was 5750, I retarded the throttle to keep it below max continuous > RPM (5800). Might be adding one degree of pitch to the prop blades. > > My biggest mistake was due to inexperience with this type of aircraft.... when > I was at 500 AGL it looked to me like I was at 1500 AGL. I thought the altimeter > was wrong, but my ground crew and friends said "yep, looked like you were at > about 500 feet." I was shocked, I thought I was much higher than that! > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Sat, 8/4/18, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com> wrote: > > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar/HKS Engine Test Run > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, August 4, 2018, 2:41 PM > > My neighbor, who did > the covering on my Twinstar, used a similar technique, but > it allows rotating the wing. We pinched the end of a piece > of water pipe (~1 foot long) so it would slide over that > attach point, and bolted it. It obviously has a bit of slop > in the fit, but won't come off. The pipe rests in a > 'saddle' made with 2 long 2x4s with a shorter one > between. Height of the center one enough to swing the > leading edge without hitting the floor. Wing tip on a padded > saw horse (or table, etc, whatever works for you). Obviously > requires a helper to move the saw horse while you rotate the > wing. When you're ready to rib stitch with a helper, > something lower like a milk crate would be needed. > Something I wish I'd done while it was > uncovered is to clip the wing back to the end of the main > spar. If the wing is clipped, you can just insert something > in the open end of the spar to support the tip. The end > could be closed with a plate after covering. I may yet clip > it. One side of my hangar has a 30' opening, and I could > keep it on that side instead of the main hangar. > Charlie > > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at > 3:37 PM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron@charter.net> > wrote: > "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net> > > > Sorry I don't have what you are asking for, but here is > the crude way that I did the MKIII: I have a steel support > pole in the middle of the garage that supports the upstairs > floor, and I put a extra long bolt through the rear spar > pivot point, band clamped it to that pole, and then set the > leading edge on two milk crates. One crate near the root and > one near the tip. Worked OK. Not great, but OK. > > > Had to put it on sawhorses to do the leading edge top and > bottom. > > > -------- > > Richard Pike > > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:28:35 AM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight > From: "Richard Pike" <thegreybaron@charter.net> > > > Congratulations! > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482067#482067 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:54:43 AM PST US > From: George Helton > > > > >


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    Time: 10:54:17 AM PST US
    From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight
    Another great idea to steal! :-} Thanks Richard. Rick Girard On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron@charter.net> wrote: > > > A few thoughts on drooping the flaps/ailerons: when I redid my cabin top, > I relocated the flap mechanism down a few inches, and redid the linkage i n > the process. You can see in the picture that I have 3 holes close togethe r > for the area of normal flight. I use the bottom one for takeoff because i t > droops the ailerons a couple of degrees, barely enough to affect the trim . > Doesn't seem to make much difference one way or another. The middle one ( of > the top 3) is for normal cruise. In this hole the flaps and ailerons are at > the same angle. The top one is for normal cruise when carrying a passenge r. > Since all of the pilot/passenger weight in a MKIII is ahead of the CG, > reflexing the flaps a couple of degrees means you don't need to use as mu ch > elevator trim when carrying a passenger. > > As John said, drooping or reflexing the ailerons is done in minute > amounts. A little bit goes a long way, and the same is true for the flaps : > moving the flap lever between these three top holes makes very little > difference. Moving the flap lever down to the lower ones requires > progressively a lot more up elevator trim to compensate. > > The link gives a lot more details http://oh2fly.net/oldpoops/pg3.htm > > -------- > Richard Pike > Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > Kingsport, TN 3TN0 > > Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really i s > amazing. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482186#482186 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/flp2_141.jpg > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>


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    Time: 10:57:39 AM PST US
    From: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Firestar/HKS First FlightRe: Firestar/HKS First Flight
    Aileron counter balance weights to prevent aileron flutter. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Denny Baber Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 8:46 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar/HKS First FlightRe: Firestar/HKS First Flight My understanding is that spades are for aileron flutter. Respectfully, Dennis Baber Cape Coral, Fl baberdk@gmail.com 305-814-7218 Stay Curious


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    Time: 12:12:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight
    From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush@gmail.com>
    It was a great idea and I confess I stole it from Richard a few years ago also. I did it a little differently with a spring loaded pin in a hole to set the flaps. see pictures. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482191#482191 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/flap_handle_004_1_334.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_20150730_140916838_100.jpg


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    Time: 09:42:52 PM PST US
    From: Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Firestar/HKS First Flight
    Spades will add weight forward of the hinge line, which is usually working AGAINST flutter. Bill Berle On Wed, 8/8/18, Denny Baber <baberdk@gmail.com> wrote: My understanding is that spades are for aileron flutter. Respectfully, Dennis BaberCape Coral, Flbaberdk@gmail.com305-814-7218 Stay Curious


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    From: Nick Cassara <nickc@mtaonline.net>
    Subject: If any one has dealt with
    Kolbers, If anyone has dealt with Uflyit.com <http://uflyit.com/>, could you please contact me off the list. Thank you, Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska nickc@mtaonline.net




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