---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/23/18: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:27 PM - Re: Stabilizer Angle (Jerry-TS-MkII) 2. 01:34 PM - Re: Stabilizer Angle (Charlie England) 3. 02:28 PM - Streamlined Lift Struts (John Hauck) 4. 02:35 PM - Re: Streamlined Lift Struts (John Hauck) 5. 02:48 PM - Re: Stabilizer Angle (George Helton) 6. 02:57 PM - Re: Streamlined Lift Struts (George Helton) 7. 04:26 PM - Re: Streamlined Lift Struts (John Hauck) 8. 04:45 PM - Re: Streamlined Lift Struts (George Helton) 9. 05:41 PM - Re: Streamlined Lift Struts (John Hauck) 10. 06:24 PM - Re: Streamlined Lift Struts (Larry Cottrell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Stabilizer Angle From: "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire@gmail.com> Since several people on here were talking about strut fairings.. I just saw this link via another post, with a different topic. The fairings look great, but $$$$$! http://uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm Jerry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482657#482657 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:42 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Stabilizer Angle Here are some streamline struts, if anyone is interested. http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire@gmail.com> wrote: > > Since several people on here were talking about strut fairings.. I just > saw this link via another post, with a different topic. The fairings look > great, but $$$$$! > > http://uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm > > Jerry > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:15 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts I changed the subject line to better facility search through the archives later on. I like the Carlson extrusions. Cheaper than the plastic covers. My MKIII kit came with stream lined aluminum extrusions. I doubled up on them by inserting a 4130 round tube to act as the primary load carrying part. Used the stream lined ext for drag reduction only. Larry C and I put streamlined fairings on my MKIII gear legs, but could not determine any advantage and removed them. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama - Heading towards the Rock House this Saturday, by land. From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Stabilizer Angle Here are some streamline struts, if anyone is interested. http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire@gmail.com> wrote: <12flybellaire@gmail.com> Since several people on here were talking about strut fairings.. I just saw this link via another post, with a different topic. The fairings look great, but $$$$$! http://uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm Jerry ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:59 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts Correction: First line change "facility" to "facilitate". john h From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 4:28 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts I changed the subject line to better facility search through the archives later on. I like the Carlson extrusions. Cheaper than the plastic covers. My MKIII kit came with stream lined aluminum extrusions. I doubled up on them by inserting a 4130 round tube to act as the primary load carrying part. Used the stream lined ext for drag reduction only. Larry C and I put streamlined fairings on my MKIII gear legs, but could not determine any advantage and removed them. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama - Heading towards the Rock House this Saturday, by land. From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Stabilizer Angle Here are some streamline struts, if anyone is interested. http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire@gmail.com> wrote: <12flybellaire@gmail.com> Since several people on here were talking about strut fairings.. I just saw this link via another post, with a different topic. The fairings look great, but $$$$$! http://uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm Jerry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:28 PM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Stabilizer Angle Hi Jerry, I ordered a set of the 3:1 strut fairings last week from U-FLY-IT. They=99re suppose to be be here tomorrow. I=99ll let you know h ow they are. I=99m not real sure that the increase in performance will be worth the cost? Time will tell I guess. They seem like good people and t hey cut them to the length that requested. No charge. That aero strut tubing looks real interesting. I just don=99t know how they would compare th e stock Kolb struts. Maybe someone could way in on that? George H. Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth 14GDH Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 23, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Charlie England wrote: > > Here are some streamline struts, if anyone is interested. > > http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html > >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire@gmail.com> w rote: > >> >> Since several people on here were talking about strut fairings.. I just s aw this link via another post, with a different topic. The fairings look gr eat, but $$$$$! >> >> http://uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm >> >> Jerry ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:23 PM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts So John, you feel that the aluminum aero strut should not be used unreinforc ed? I respect your opinions on these matters. If you look at the prices plus attachment fixings they=99re actually a lot more expensive then the p lastic fairings. I ordered a set of fairings last week. They were $158.00 for a pair cut to l ength. I=99m hoping they improve the performance a little and take the vibration out of the standard round struts. George H. Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 23, 2018, at 5:28 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > I changed the subject line to better facility search through the archives l ater on. > > I like the Carlson extrusions. Cheaper than the plastic covers. > > My MKIII kit came with stream lined aluminum extrusions. I doubled up on t hem by inserting a 4130 round tube to act as the primary load carrying part. Used the stream lined ext for drag reduction only. > > Larry C and I put streamlined fairings on my MKIII gear legs, but could no t determine any advantage and removed them. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama - Heading towards the Rock House this Saturday, by land. > > > > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:35 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Stabilizer Angle > > Here are some streamline struts, if anyone is interested. > > http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire@gmail.com> w rote: > > Since several people on here were talking about strut fairings.. I just sa w this link via another post, with a different topic. The fairings look gre at, but $$$$$! > > http://uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm > > Jerry ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:52 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts I chose to go the route of the 4130 based on the amount of weight I anticipated carrying and the weather and terrain I would be flying and landing on. Nothing scientific in my choice. Just made me feel better. This was before I made my first flight to Alaska and I really had no idea what conditions I would be confronted with. I would rather be over built than under built. In the end I was glad I made that choice. I put a lot of hours on the factory MKIII with aluminum streamlined struts, carrying passengers, and had no qualms about flying with them. The lift strut fittings Carlson makes look good. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts So John, you feel that the aluminum aero strut should not be used unreinforced? I respect your opinions on these matters. If you look at the prices plus attachment fixings they=99re actually a lot more expensive then the plastic fairings. I ordered a set of fairings last week. They were $158.00 for a pair cut to length. I=99m hoping they improve the performance a little and take the vibration out of the standard round struts. George H. Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2018, at 5:28 PM, John Hauck wrote: I changed the subject line to better facility search through the archives later on. I like the Carlson extrusions. Cheaper than the plastic covers. My MKIII kit came with stream lined aluminum extrusions. I doubled up on them by inserting a 4130 round tube to act as the primary load carrying part. Used the stream lined ext for drag reduction only. Larry C and I put streamlined fairings on my MKIII gear legs, but could not determine any advantage and removed them. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama - Heading towards the Rock House this Saturday, by land. From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Stabilizer Angle Here are some streamline struts, if anyone is interested. http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire@gmail.com> wrote: <12flybellaire@gmail.com> Since several people on here were talking about strut fairings.. I just saw this link via another post, with a different topic. The fairings look great, but $$$$$! http://uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm Jerry ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:37 PM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts I=99ve always liked the over built theory. I may end up building a set of struts using the Carson extrusions this winter. I appreciate your input. George H. Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 23, 2018, at 7:26 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > I chose to go the route of the 4130 based on the amount of weight I antici pated carrying and the weather and terrain I would be flying and landing on. Nothing scientific in my choice. Just made me feel better. This was befo re I made my first flight to Alaska and I really had no idea what conditions I would be confronted with. I would rather be over built than under built. In the end I was glad I made that choice. > > I put a lot of hours on the factory MKIII with aluminum streamlined struts , carrying passengers, and had no qualms about flying with them. The lift s trut fittings Carlson makes look good. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 4:57 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts > > So John, you feel that the aluminum aero strut should not be used unreinfo rced? I respect your opinions on these matters. If you look at the prices pl us attachment fixings they=99re actually a lot more expensive then the plastic fairings. > I ordered a set of fairings last week. They were $158.00 for a pair cut to length. I=99m hoping they improve the performance a little and take t he vibration out of the standard round struts. > George H. > Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth > Mesick, Michigan > gdhelton@gmail.com > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 23, 2018, at 5:28 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > I changed the subject line to better facility search through the archives l ater on. > > I like the Carlson extrusions. Cheaper than the plastic covers. > > My MKIII kit came with stream lined aluminum extrusions. I doubled up on t hem by inserting a 4130 round tube to act as the primary load carrying part. Used the stream lined ext for drag reduction only. > > Larry C and I put streamlined fairings on my MKIII gear legs, but could no t determine any advantage and removed them. > > john h > mkIII > Titus, Alabama - Heading towards the Rock House this Saturday, by land. > > > > > From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:35 PM > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Stabilizer Angle > > Here are some streamline struts, if anyone is interested. > > http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire@gmail.com> w rote: > > Since several people on here were talking about strut fairings.. I just sa w this link via another post, with a different topic. The fairings look gre at, but $$$$$! > > http://uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm > > Jerry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:53 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts You are more than welcome. We always overbuild, it adds weight, increases my confidence, makes me comfortable, and doesn't seem to have affected performance. Still waiting for another MKIII to outperform Miss P'fer. Low, slow, and reliable!!! john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts I=99ve always liked the over built theory. I may end up building a set of struts using the Carson extrusions this winter. I appreciate your input. George H. Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:09 PM PST US From: Larry Cottrell Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Streamlined Lift Struts I used the plastic ones over my normal Firestar struts, and used the extra to make gear leg farings as well. I believe that it added about 3 MPH. I think it is worth doing. Like Bill when I started with my firestar I was doing about 55 mph. Clean up this, clean up that and now I can cruise 67 reliably and 72-74 occasionally. Larry On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:29 PM John Hauck wrote: > I changed the subject line to better facility search through the archives > later on. > > > I like the Carlson extrusions. Cheaper than the plastic covers. > > > My MKIII kit came with stream lined aluminum extrusions. I doubled up on > them by inserting a 4130 round tube to act as the primary load carrying > part. Used the stream lined ext for drag reduction only. > > > Larry C and I put streamlined fairings on my MKIII gear legs, but could > not determine any advantage and removed them. > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama - Heading towards the Rock House this Saturday, by land. > > > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Charlie England > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2018 3:35 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List:Stabilizer Angle > > > Here are some streamline struts, if anyone is interested. > > > http://www.carlsonaircraft.com/struts.html > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Jerry-TS-MkII <12flybellaire@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Since several people on here were talking about strut fairings.. I just > saw this link via another post, with a different topic. The fairings look > great, but $$$$$! > > http://uflyit.com/streamline_fairings.htm > > Jerry > -- *The older I get, the less tolerant I am of those who are intolerant of others.* *If you forward this email, or any part of it, please remove my email address before sending.* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.