---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/04/18: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:29 AM - Re: Firestar Re-Configure Project (Richard Pike) 2. 06:10 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 09/03/18 (Ted Cowan) 3. 01:34 PM - Re: Firestar Re-Configure Project (Rex Rodebush) 4. 01:37 PM - Re: Firestar Re-Configure Project (Rex Rodebush) 5. 06:42 PM - Rock House Flyby (John Hauck) 6. 06:52 PM - Re: Rock House Flyby (John Hauck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Re-Configure Project From: "Richard Pike" Since I just happen to have two Kolb's on premises, I went out this morning and measured the angles on both of them. To keep things consistent, I raised the tail on the Firefly until the motor mounts were at 0 degrees - level - and then measured everything else relative to that. Since the hangar the MKIII lives in is on a slope, the motor mounts were within 1.7 degrees of being level, so I simply adjusted the numbers accordingly. Also - just for the record, the Firefly was rebuilt from an original 1985 Firestar - it still has the original full size wings on it - so the numbers listed are for what a Firestar was back in 1985. Firestar: Motor mount = 0 Wing = 3 degrees Stab = .2 degrees Main tube = -6.8 degrees MKIII Motor mount = 0 Wing = 7.1 degrees Stab = 1.8 degrees Main tube = -5.1 degrees Quite a variation, both of them fly excellent, the Firestar/Firefly cruises at 55 at 5500 rpm with a 277, will top out at 70, so it doesn't take a lot of horsepower to make a Firestar go fast. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Engine is in place, now for the wiring. Ugh.) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482907#482907 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:49 AM PST US From: Ted Cowan Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 09/03/18 The angle of the wing is approx 12 degrees to the boom on firestars. Level the boom and the wing should be that. If it is not, check wing attach points. The sling shot is the only kolb with different angle, 9 degrees which is why we have long gears. Now, i may be wrong on the Mk models but i do know firestars. If yours is different, i believe therein lies the problem. Worth what ya paid. The advice to start from scratch and such i think is good. Just remember this question, how long are you planning on staying dead? Ted cowan SS 912ul zoom zoom Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 4, 2018, at 1:36 AM, Kolb-List Digest Server wrote: > > > ================================================= > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================= > > Today's complete Kolb-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Kolb-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 18-09-03&Archive=Kolb > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 18-09-03&Archive=Kolb > > > =============================================== > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > =============================================== > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Kolb-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Mon 09/03/18: 3 > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 08:39 AM - Re: Firestar Re-Configure Project (Rex Rodebush) > 2. 09:16 PM - Re: First short XC Flight and Slow Cruise Speed (west1m) > 3. 11:17 PM - Re: Re: Firestar Re-Configure Project (Bill Berle) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:39:09 AM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Re-Configure Project > From: "Rex Rodebush" > > > Bill, > > When I called Brian at Kolb for the angles on my Mark III Xtra he gave me the following: > Set the digital level on the Motor Mounts fore and aft and zero. The > wing should be +3.4 degrees, the boom -6.1 degrees (ref), and the horiz. stab. > -4.8 degrees. > > This is reference information only. This may or may not apply to a Firestar. > > I would pester Kolb again and see if they can give you some information. If you > know someone nearby with a good flying firestar maybe they will let you get > the information yourself. > > By the way, the difference in my wing angle from the "measured" set up to what > Brian recommended was about 3 degrees. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482892#482892 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:16:51 PM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: First short XC Flight and Slow Cruise Speed > From: "west1m" > > > I think I know why his KOLB flys too slow... > > ( I have competed at the Reno Air Races (5th place Silver) and in the US National > Soaring Championships (9th place, 17th place)) > > -------- > West1m > Hastings, MN > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482898#482898 > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:17:24 PM PST US > From: Bill Berle > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Re-Configure Project > > > > When I called Brian at Kolb for the angles on my Mark III Xtra he gave me the > following: Set the digital level on the Motor Mounts fore and aft and zero. > The wing should be +3.4 degrees, the boom -6.1 degrees (ref), and the horiz. stab. > -4.8 degrees. > --------------------------------------------------------- > > So if my math is correct, the total "decalage angle" for the Kolb (the angle between > the wing and the stabilizer) is over 8 degrees. That seems like a whole > lot to me, but I do not have an aero engineering degree. > > What I believe I do know from researching Kolbs for a while, is that different > models of Kolb aircdraft had different angles, and these LOOK like theyw ere changed > around from one model to another in order to meet a certain mission, or > achieve certain speeds, etc. > > For example it looks to me (from the various photos) that the Slingshot was designed > for a higher speed range, and the wing/tail angles were a lot lower. I also > be lieve that this was accomplished by the hole drilled in the wing spar attach > fitting at the root. > > John H can you shed some light on this, as to whether different Kolbs had different > wing angles, and what the reasons were for these changes? > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:34:50 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Re-Configure Project From: "Rex Rodebush" Richard, I notice that the difference on my wing to stabilizer is 8.2 degrees to yours is 8.9 degrees. Essentially the same. The Firestar is definitely a different animal. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482911#482911 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:34 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar Re-Configure Project From: "Rex Rodebush" Sorry, I added when I should have subtracted. Your difference is 5.3 degrees. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=482912#482912 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:42 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Kolb-List: Rock House Flyby Early this morning Larry Cottrell flew over to the ranch to check cows. He did a flyby for me and my son Mike. Love the sound of the little HKS working. Larry said he was turning 6000 rpm when he buzzed us. Got here last night. Waiting on the rest of the crew to show up. Beautiful weather, perfect for flying. Warm days and mid 40s at night. Good sleeping weather. I tried to attach the video to an email, but Matronics would not accept it. Let's try it this way. A url from Face Book: https://www.facebook.com/RIPjameshauck/videos/pcb.10217385920869043/10217385 652022322/?type=3&theater Wish you all could come out and enjoy the great fellowship with fellow Kolbers at the Rock House. John h mkIII Rock House, Oregon ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:34 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Rock House Flyby It dropped the last part of the url. Copy and paste the whole thing and it will get you to the Face Book page. https://www.facebook.com/RIPjameshauck/videos/pcb.10217385920869043/10217385 652022322/?type=3&theater john h Rock House, OR -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Hauck Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 8:42 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Rock House Flyby Early this morning Larry Cottrell flew over to the ranch to check cows. He did a flyby for me and my son Mike. Love the sound of the little HKS working. Larry said he was turning 6000 rpm when he buzzed us. Got here last night. Waiting on the rest of the crew to show up. Beautiful weather, perfect for flying. Warm days and mid 40s at night. Good sleeping weather. I tried to attach the video to an email, but Matronics would not accept it. Let's try it this way. A url from Face Book: https://www.facebook.com/RIPjameshauck/videos/pcb.10217385920869043/10217385 652022322/?type=3&theater Wish you all could come out and enjoy the great fellowship with fellow Kolbers at the Rock House. 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