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1. 12:47 AM - Re: Defend Your Turf (JC Gilpin)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield (George Helton)
3. 07:30 AM - Re: Re: Defend Your Turf (John Hauck)
4. 07:38 AM - Re: landing (chris davis)
5. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield (Bill Berle)
6. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield (chris davis)
7. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield (George Helton)
8. 12:33 PM - Re: Defend Your Turf (Kolburner)
9. 02:56 PM - Re: Defend Your Turf (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: Defend Your Turf |
A bit off topic, but still indicating the performance capability of a Kolb.
I flew my Firestar ll with a 503, from Telluride, CO, airfield altitude
9,070ft.
There's a digital sign at the entrance to the runway, indicating density
altitude, and at that time was indicating 10,500ft.
Take off roll was a bit extended but not unreasonable.
Climb was slower but got to 13,500ft to get close to the snow.
A very capable aircraft.....
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
Bill , I took a few better pictures yesterday, if you still interested?
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire@gmail.com>
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> Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields and/or latches please
post them here.
> I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before long.
>
> Thanks, Jerry
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> Me too. I installed a fixed windshield after speaking with John H, and it i
s indeed more comfortable, but getting in and out of the aircraft is quite a
spectacle. If anyone has details of a good safe latching system that allows
easy entry/exit I'd love to see it.
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| Subject: | Re: Defend Your Turf |
I have to agree with JCG. The Kolb is a very capable aircraft, proven
many times over.
We don=99t like to talk about it, but it is also a very crash
worthy aircraft, one of my major concerns when deciding to get into
Kolbs. There was a time one could tell a Challenger pilot by the length
of the cast on one leg or the other. Seemed the mounting system of the
nose gear was a little weak. When failure occurred the pilots feet and
legs were next in line. I will always favor a welded 4130 fuselage over
pop riveted gusseted aluminum tube.
Have landed at Leadville, CO, 9,928 feet (?). Flew straight across the
Rockies direct from Rock Springs to Loveland, CO, 4 years ago. I
stopped climbing at 15,175 feet, but the MKIII was still knocking out
about 100 fpm. That was with full fuel and all my gear.
Have been lucky enough or unlucky enough to experience a lot of things
with my Kolbs. Most of the time they would get me home unless I really
screwed up, like 18 years ago when I broke the landing gear at Muncho
Lake, BC. The following year I did not make a landing attempt at Muncho
Lake. Merely waved as I flew by. ;-)
The Rock House gang is still going strong. Some have left and others
have arrived. Make plans to join us next year.
I remember making a zero ground roll landing with my US when caught in a
thunderstorm. On another occasion I did a zero ground roll take off in
my FS when caught at the local airport in an approaching thunderstorm.
Had a couple friends hold the FS while I cranked, strapped in, and took
off. Amazing what some young folks will do.
Pardon the rambling, but I feel good this morning after a couple cups of
coffee.
John h
Rock House, OR
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JC Gilpin
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 2:47 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Defend Your Turf
A bit off topic, but still indicating the performance capability of a
Kolb.
I flew my Firestar ll with a 503, from Telluride, CO, airfield altitude
9,070ft.
There's a digital sign at the entrance to the runway, indicating density
altitude, and at that time was indicating 10,500ft.
Take off roll was a bit extended but not unreasonable.
Climb was slower but got to 13,500ft to get close to the snow.
A very capable aircraft.....
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What=99s the password to get to that video?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 11, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020@gmail.com> wrot
e:
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> https://vimeo.com/289329542
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> Here is a quick and dirty landing which is not at all the best that one ca
n do, but it will give you some idea.
> Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
NOW I get it... the forward pin / prop rod is separate from the rear latch pin.
I kept wondering how the heck it would work if those two were the same part.
So the prop rod is not permanently attached to the windshield frame or the fuselage...
it is completely removable? Or does it hnge or attach to something in
order to be used for two different jobs?
Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
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On Wed, 9/12/18, George Helton <gdhelton@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 5:35 AM
Bill , I took a few better pictures
yesterday, if you still interested?
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
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>
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> "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire@gmail.com>
>
> Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields
and/or latches please post them here.
> I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before
long.
>
> Thanks, Jerry
>
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>
> Me too. I installed a fixed windshield after speaking
with John H, and it is indeed more comfortable, but getting
in and out of the aircraft is quite a spectacle. If anyone
has details of a good safe latching system that allows easy
entry/exit I'd love to see it.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
Hi guys Where are these pics your talking about? They arent secret are they ? I
cant find them
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> NOW I get it... the forward pin / prop rod is separate from the rear latch pin.
>
> I kept wondering how the heck it would work if those two were the same part.
>
> So the prop rod is not permanently attached to the windshield frame or the fuselage...
it is completely removable? Or does it hnge or attach to something in
order to be used for two different jobs?
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities
>
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> On Wed, 9/12/18, George Helton <gdhelton@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 5:35 AM
>
> Bill , I took a few better pictures
> yesterday, if you still interested?
> George H.
> Firestar
> Mesick, Michigan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
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>> "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire@gmail.com>
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>> Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields
> and/or latches please post them here.
>> I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before
> long.
>>
>> Thanks, Jerry
>>
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>> Me too. I installed a fixed windshield after speaking
> with John H, and it is indeed more comfortable, but getting
> in and out of the aircraft is quite a spectacle. If anyone
> has details of a good safe latching system that allows easy
> entry/exit I'd love to see it.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield |
Yes, Bill. It is attached to the frame rail by piece of plastic fuel line. I
t keeps the prop rod in place while entering and exiting the air by lifting t
he Lexan upward or downward. You flex the rod into place this locking the fr
ont down. The you put candy rail to cockpit rail and lock the back down. It
=99s pretty easy
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 12, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
> NOW I get it... the forward pin / prop rod is separate from the rear latch
pin.
>
> I kept wondering how the heck it would work if those two were the same par
t.
>
> So the prop rod is not permanently attached to the windshield frame or the
fuselage... it is completely removable? Or does it hnge or attach to someth
ing in order to be used for two different jobs?
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-pro
fit entities
>
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> On Wed, 9/12/18, George Helton <gdhelton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly / Firestar windshield
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 5:35 AM
>
> Bill , I took a few better pictures
> yesterday, if you still interested?
> George H.
> Firestar
> Mesick, Michigan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 5:53 AM, Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jerry-TS-MkII" <12flybellaire@gmail.com>
>>
>> Say if you guys have some good photos of windshields
> and/or latches please post them here.
>> I'll be trying to figure this one out on mine before
> long.
>>
>> Thanks, Jerry
>>
>> -------------------------------------------
>>
>> Me too. I installed a fixed windshield after speaking
> with John H, and it is indeed more comfortable, but getting
> in and out of the aircraft is quite a spectacle. If anyone
> has details of a good safe latching system that allows easy
> entry/exit I'd love to see it.
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Defend Your Turf |
Well, I started this topic and I'm grateful to all who replied. Great video links,
and of course, the Kolbs are great short field performers. I knew they had
to be, I just hadn't seen the right videos. So, thanks again.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483153#483153
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| Subject: | Re: Defend Your Turf |
I don't know what videos you've been watching but the Kolb Mk III will take
off and land in 300 feet with no problems. I made two videos of landings
from outside and inside;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGMvpQRHS-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ-YaW9WgEU&t=3s
While the latter was made to show how the sight picture changes as flaps
are added it does show how short the landing is.
As for takeoff, the Mk III has an automatic takeoff. Just pull on a notch
of flaps, hold the stick neutral and add power. Even in no wind she'll come
off the ground from three point in 200 ft. and climb like the proverbial
home sick angel. When I do touch and go's I use the first part of our 2500'
strip but if I'm just landing I try to put her down on the last 500 ft so I
don't have to taxi a half mile back to my yard.
Rick Girard
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 7:54 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
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> I started out with 600 feet of cow pasture, rough as a cob, with poor
> approach and departure, Ultrastar and Firestar without brakes. Never had
a
> problem with air strip length. Eventually, got 750 feet. Fly a very hea
vy
> MKIII. Use a couple hundred feet to land and take off. It will land and
> take off much shorter. 30 mph, pop the flaps, and it is flying. Can lan
d
> in several plane lengths, depending on the wind.
>
> No such thing as "Kolb quit." It is a stall above the ground. Most
> everything I have flown stalls when it gets below stall speed. To many n
ew
> and old Kolb pilots, this comes as quite a surprise.
>
> "But still, even the "Kolb short field landing" (and t/o for that matter)
> demonstrations are not even remotely respectable."
>
> Please expand on the above. Who were you watching make these landings?
> Heck, it's hard to make a long take off and landing in a Kolb.
>
> Here is an old video from the 2011 Nauga Fly In, Star Hill, Louisiana. N
o
> one was trying to break any short field records. Most of the landings an
d
> take offs look pretty decent to me.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmf0Me3MpH8
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Rock House, Oregon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kolburner
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 9:56 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Defend Your Turf
>
>
> Hi Kolb folks,
> I may buy a Kolb. I like a whole lot of things about them. Too many to li
st
> here right now. But....I operate out of a 1,000 foot long dirt strip at a
n
> elevation of 3,800 feet, no obstacles. Now, even 1,000 feet shouldn't be
> too
> short for an airplane that only weighs 400 pounds and stalls at 27 mph. A
nd
> yet, pretty much everyone, and I mean everyone I see in videos, lands the
se
> airplanes with at least an '80% above stall speed' cushion, watching
> hundreds of feet of runway disappear behind them. I've read about the 'Ko
lb
> quit', which seems to me to be a "whoops, I stalled" kinda thing, and of
> course we don't want that too high above the ground. But still, even the
> "Kolb short field landing" (and t/o for that matter) demonstrations are n
ot
> even remotely respectable. Can't a Kolb with a competent pilot be put dow
n
> in a real short distance? Sure they can. But I'm not seeing it. Please
> straighten me out here. Thx
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=483087#483087
>
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