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1. 03:52 PM - urethane fuel (??) line (Charlie England)
2. 04:05 PM - Re: urethane fuel (??) line (Pfatchantz)
3. 05:19 PM - Re: urethane fuel (??) line (John Hauck)
4. 05:33 PM - Re: urethane fuel (??) line (George Helton)
5. 05:48 PM - Re: urethane fuel (??) line (John Hauck)
6. 06:23 PM - Re: urethane fuel (??) line (Charlie England)
7. 07:20 PM - Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 (George Helton)
8. 08:15 PM - Re: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 (John Hauck)
9. 08:18 PM - Re: urethane fuel (??) line (Pfatchantz)
10. 08:19 PM - Re: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 (George Helton)
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| Subject: | urethane fuel (??) line |
Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this afternoon,
hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia
Outernational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months, with the fuel
I put in it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in it. I
decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added some line to the
fuel output line (to reach a gas can) and blew into it to pressurize the
tank & start fuel flowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but
only air came back out the line. Finally pulled the fitting (installed in
the top of the tank) and it came out with about an inch of the urethane
flex line I used to reach the bottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on
the other end. You can see in the pic what the pickup line looks like.
Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of the tank are in good shape,
even though they came off the same roll of fuel line and still have fuel in
them.
I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex line.
I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this quickly.
I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get this
before I die" kind of thing.
BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for the
Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached.
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| Subject: | urethane fuel (??) line |
I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. It's an
ultralight thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. Some that use urethane
fuel line say they need it so they can see the fuel?????
Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I automatically used
urethane because that's what came in the kits and everyone else was
using it.
After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel line many
years ago. Never had a problem with it. Last for a very long time. It
has been around for a very long time. But I can't see my fuel......
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie
England
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line
Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this
afternoon, hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at
Slobovia Outernational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months,
with the fuel I put in it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I
put in it. I decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added
some line to the fuel output line (to reach a gas can) and blew into it
to pressurize the tank & start fuel flowing. Got great pressure with one
lung of air, but only air came back out the line. Finally pulled the
fitting (installed in the top of the tank) and it came out with about an
inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach the bottom of the tank,
with a pickup filter on the other end. You can see in the pic what the
pickup line looks like. Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of
the tank are in good shape, even though they came off the same roll of
fuel line and still have fuel in them.
I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex
line. I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this
quickly. I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I
get this before I die" kind of thing.
BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for
the Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached.
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| Subject: | Re: urethane fuel (??) line |
Hello John. Do you use the reinforced neoprene or just the straight neoprene
like Aircraft Spruce sells? Thanks, George
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. It's an ultrali
ght thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. Some that use urethane fuel line sa
y they need it so they can see the fuel?????
>
> Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I automatically used ure
thane because that's what came in the kits and everyone else was using it.
>
> After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel line many years
ago. Never had a problem with it. Last for a very long time. It has been
around for a very long time. But I can't see my fuel......
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line
>
> Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this afternoon,
hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia Outern
ational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months, with the fuel I put i
n it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in it. I decided to d
rain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added some line to the fuel output lin
e (to reach a gas can) and blew into it to pressurize the tank & start fuel f
lowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but only air came back out t
he line. Finally pulled the fitting (installed in the top of the tank) and i
t came out with about an inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach the b
ottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on the other end. You can see in the
pic what the pickup line looks like. Strange thing is, the lines on the out
side of the tank are in good shape, even though they came off the same roll o
f fuel line and still have fuel in them.
>
> I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex line.
I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this quickly.
I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get this bef
ore I die" kind of thing.
>
> BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for th
e Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached.
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| Subject: | urethane fuel (??) line |
I buy the fuel line local, a good grade with pretty stiff wall.
I like Gates. Go to their site. They have a lot of new stuff. Was
just looking at submersible fuel line for using inside the fuel tank.
Most neoprene rubber fuel line is fuel resistant on the inside, but not
on the outside. Submersible is resistant inside and out.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line
Hello John. Do you use the reinforced neoprene or just the straight
neoprene like Aircraft Spruce sells? Thanks, George
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. It's an
ultralight thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. Some that use urethane
fuel line say they need it so they can see the fuel?????
Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I automatically used
urethane because that's what came in the kits and everyone else was
using it.
After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel line many
years ago. Never had a problem with it. Last for a very long time. It
has been around for a very long time. But I can't see my fuel......
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie
England
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line
Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this
afternoon, hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at
Slobovia Outernational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months,
with the fuel I put in it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I
put in it. I decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added
some line to the fuel output line (to reach a gas can) and blew into it
to pressurize the tank & start fuel flowing. Got great pressure with one
lung of air, but only air came back out the line. Finally pulled the
fitting (installed in the top of the tank) and it came out with about an
inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach the bottom of the tank,
with a pickup filter on the other end. You can see in the pic what the
pickup line looks like. Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of
the tank are in good shape, even though they came off the same roll of
fuel line and still have fuel in them.
I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex
line. I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this
quickly. I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I
get this before I die" kind of thing.
BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for
the Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached.
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| Subject: | Re: urethane fuel (??) line |
On 10/19/2018 5:41 PM, Charlie England wrote:
> Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this
> afternoon, hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at
> Slobovia Outernational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months,
> with the fuel I put in it lastyear. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what
> I put in it. I decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added
> some line to the fuel output line (to reach a gas can) and blew into
> it to pressurize the tank & start fuel flowing. Got great pressure
> with one lung of air, but only air came back out the line. Finally
> pulled the fitting (installed in the top of the tank) and it came out
> with about an inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach the
> bottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on the other end. You can see
> in the pic what the pickup line looks like. Strange thing is, the
> lines on the outside of the tank are in good shape, even though they
> came off the same roll of fuel line and still have fuel in them.
>
> I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex
> line. I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly,
> this quickly. I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I
> hope I get this before I die" kind of thing.
>
> BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down
> for the Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached.
Well, shucks. The fuel line image didn't make it through. Let's try again.
Has anyone used any type of 'plastic' fuel line other than the blue
urethane stuff? What about other materials? Vinyl? Tygon?
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 |
I changed the subject line, John. I thought you might enjoy this video. The m
usic leaves a lot to be desired.
https://youtu.be/jB9sOPQf2AE
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. It's an ultrali
ght thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. Some that use urethane fuel line sa
y they need it so they can see the fuel?????
>
> Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I automatically used ure
thane because that's what came in the kits and everyone else was using it.
>
> After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel line many years
ago. Never had a problem with it. Last for a very long time. It has been
around for a very long time. But I can't see my fuel......
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line
>
> Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this afternoon,
hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia Outern
ational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months, with the fuel I put i
n it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in it. I decided to d
rain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added some line to the fuel output lin
e (to reach a gas can) and blew into it to pressurize the tank & start fuel f
lowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but only air came back out t
he line. Finally pulled the fitting (installed in the top of the tank) and i
t came out with about an inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach the b
ottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on the other end. You can see in the
pic what the pickup line looks like. Strange thing is, the lines on the out
side of the tank are in good shape, even though they came off the same roll o
f fuel line and still have fuel in them.
>
> I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex line.
I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this quickly.
I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get this bef
ore I die" kind of thing.
>
> BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for th
e Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached.
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| Subject: | Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 |
Beautiful color.
I caught some nice color out of Marysvale, Utah, a few weeks back. Snow
is coming.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 9:20 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018
I changed the subject line, John. I thought you might enjoy this video.
The music leaves a lot to be desired.
https://youtu.be/jB9sOPQf2AE
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan
gdhelton@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. It's an
ultralight thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. Some that use urethane
fuel line say they need it so they can see the fuel?????
Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I automatically used
urethane because that's what came in the kits and everyone else was
using it.
After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel line many
years ago. Never had a problem with it. Last for a very long time. It
has been around for a very long time. But I can't see my fuel......
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie
England
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line
Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this
afternoon, hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at
Slobovia Outernational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months,
with the fuel I put in it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I
put in it. I decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added
some line to the fuel output line (to reach a gas can) and blew into it
to pressurize the tank & start fuel flowing. Got great pressure with one
lung of air, but only air came back out the line. Finally pulled the
fitting (installed in the top of the tank) and it came out with about an
inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach the bottom of the tank,
with a pickup filter on the other end. You can see in the pic what the
pickup line looks like. Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of
the tank are in good shape, even though they came off the same roll of
fuel line and still have fuel in them.
I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex
line. I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this
quickly. I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I
get this before I die" kind of thing.
BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for
the Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached.
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| Subject: | Re: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 |
Yup, same up here. That may have been my last flight of the year.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 19, 2018, at 11:12 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Beautiful color.
>
> I caught some nice color out of Marysvale, Utah, a few weeks back. Snow i
s coming.
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 9:20 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018
>
> I changed the subject line, John. I thought you might enjoy this video. Th
e music leaves a lot to be desired.
>
> https://youtu.be/jB9sOPQf2AE
> George H.
> Firestar
> Mesick, Michigan
> gdhelton@gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:19 PM, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. It's an ultrali
ght thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. Some that use urethane fuel line sa
y they need it so they can see the fuel?????
>
> Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I automatically used ure
thane because that's what came in the kits and everyone else was using it.
>
> After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel line many years
ago. Never had a problem with it. Last for a very long time. It has been
around for a very long time. But I can't see my fuel......
>
> john h
> mkIII
> Titus, Alabama
>
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@
matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line
>
> Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this afternoon,
hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia Outern
ational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months, with the fuel I put i
n it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in it. I decided to d
rain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added some line to the fuel output lin
e (to reach a gas can) and blew into it to pressurize the tank & start fuel f
lowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but only air came back out t
he line. Finally pulled the fitting (installed in the top of the tank) and i
t came out with about an inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach the b
ottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on the other end. You can see in the
pic what the pickup line looks like. Strange thing is, the lines on the out
side of the tank are in good shape, even though they came off the same roll o
f fuel line and still have fuel in them.
>
> I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex line.
I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this quickly.
I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get this bef
ore I die" kind of thing.
>
> BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for th
e Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached.
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