---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/20/18: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:03 AM - Re: urethane fuel (??) line (Jim Thomson) 2. 05:46 AM - Re: urethane fuel (??) line (Charlie England) 3. 06:26 AM - Re: urethane fuel (??) line (John Hauck) 4. 07:12 AM - Re: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 (Rick Neilsen) 5. 08:32 AM - Tripp's Firestar and the list (Pfatchantz) 6. 08:51 AM - Re: Tripp's Firestar and the list (John Hauck) 7. 09:18 AM - Re: Tripp's Firestar and the list (Charlie England) 8. 10:02 AM - Re: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 (George Helton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:14 AM PST US From: Jim Thomson Subject: Re: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line Charlie I have reverted to quality automotive hose, Gates. The plastic hoses have failed prematurely on my Kolb just unreliable. Jim Kolb Mk 3 Piper PA 28 Cherokee 140 On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 6:25 PM Charlie England wrote: > On 10/19/2018 5:41 PM, Charlie England wrote: > > Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this afternoon, > hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia > Outernational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months, with the fuel > I put in it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in it. I > decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added some line to the > fuel output line (to reach a gas can) and blew into it to pressurize the > tank & start fuel flowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but > only air came back out the line. Finally pulled the fitting (installed in > the top of the tank) and it came out with about an inch of the urethane > flex line I used to reach the bottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on > the other end. You can see in the pic what the pickup line looks like. > Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of the tank are in good shape, > even though they came off the same roll of fuel line and still have fuel in > them. > > I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex line. > I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this quickly. > I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get this > before I die" kind of thing. > > BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for > the Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached. > > Well, shucks. The fuel line image didn't make it through. Let's try again. > > Has anyone used any type of 'plastic' fuel line other than the blue > urethane stuff? What about other materials? Vinyl? Tygon? > > Thanks, > > Charlie > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_6492035210160783892_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:46:27 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line Thanks to all for the replies. I sent the 2nd post before noticing that John and others had recommended automotive hose. I'll order some submersible hose & hopefully, be done with this issue. Charlie On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 2:04 AM Jim Thomson wrote: > Charlie > I have reverted to quality automotive hose, Gates. The plastic hoses have > failed prematurely on my Kolb just unreliable. > Jim > Kolb Mk 3 > Piper PA 28 Cherokee 140 > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 6:25 PM Charlie England > wrote: > >> On 10/19/2018 5:41 PM, Charlie England wrote: >> >> Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this >> afternoon, hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at >> Slobovia Outernational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months, with >> the fuel I put in it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in >> it. I decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added some line to >> the fuel output line (to reach a gas can) and blew into it to pressurize >> the tank & start fuel flowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but >> only air came back out the line. Finally pulled the fitting (installed in >> the top of the tank) and it came out with about an inch of the urethane >> flex line I used to reach the bottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on >> the other end. You can see in the pic what the pickup line looks like. >> Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of the tank are in good shape, >> even though they came off the same roll of fuel line and still have fuel in >> them. >> >> I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex >> line. I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this >> quickly. I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get >> this before I die" kind of thing. >> >> BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for >> the Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached. >> >> Well, shucks. The fuel line image didn't make it through. Let's try again. >> >> Has anyone used any type of 'plastic' fuel line other than the blue >> urethane stuff? What about other materials? Vinyl? Tygon? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Charlie >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_7624744521292491001_m_6492035210160783892_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:29 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line You almost got that right, Wetumpka, the big city 15 miles south of hauck's holler. Must have been a mistake on that historical marker's location. It should be placed up here in the country where I do some serious coffee drinking. James Tripp's Firestar was well built, not that I gave him a hand every once in a while. He is a good craftsman. That FS made several flights to the Kolb Homecoming in London, KY, and one flight to Nauga Field in Star Hill, LA, home of John Bickham, at the time. John B relocated to a flyin community in Los Lunas, NM. What a change from the swamps of LA to the desert of NM. He is now building a Bearcat. In that same community is our buddy Mike Marker who build a FS in addition to 12 or 13 other aircraft. He just finished up a Carbon Cub a couple years ago. I think he's building an RV8 now. They are part of our Kolb group that show up at the Rock House each year for our annual flyin. Herb, I reckon you'll get this FS squared away and sell it? I need to do some cosmetic work on my MKIII. Also need to rebuild the pitch trim system. Needs a new cable. The old system we designed 28 years ago held together for a lot of hours, around 3400.00, the first time around. Next time you are through the Heart of Dixie, stop by for a cup of coffee. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pfatchantz Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 10:18 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line Meetooo.... I buy gates when I can find it locally..otherwise just std auto fuel line.. Very shocking to grab the yellow stuff and have it disintegrate in ones hand..! pfatchantz...better know as Herb is back on the list..I think.. A note to say that I enjoyed my over nite in Troy Alabama...and my trip to Slocum and Freedom Field to purchase the much passed around James A. Tripp Kolb Firestar II...5th owner... 450 or so hours on airframe and engine...still looks good save a bit of hangar rash.. went down on the 8th , loaded and caught a motel in Troy.Something about a Hurricane?? Came back via 231...for my experience on I-65 told me that "ole Red" , my 1991 F250 Diesel was not happy on the interstate with everyone going 80 to 90 mph.. some beautiful country and quaint towns to be seen heading toward Huntsville...one I recall...weebumka...something like that? I stopped at the McDonalds there and noticed a historical marker at a table in the corner...said John Hauck was the champion coffee drinker in the restaurant... 750 gallons...as I recall.. Don't remember what year?? :-) James built a really good example of a Kolb Firestar...I have seen his color scheme somewhere?? :-) Amazingly , the landing gear is straight and the wheels are at a proper angle...4 previous owners?? I am on the spot now!! The first thing I noticed after getting it off of the trailer is how difficult it is to handle with the wings folded and how close the wing leading edge was to the ground. The MkIII and Fireflys were easier.. I welded up a three wheel dolly but got the castering front wheel at an angle... it worked well enough to get it into one side of the garage.. Anyone have a picture of a better one... Gotta do a bit more work...Castering wheels like to be level to the ground..maybe perpendicular is better said? Anyhow..always enjoy reading the list and hearing of the exploits and linking to the vids.. Hope to have the low time 503 installed in time for next spring...Logs do not show a decarb and they look complete... Carry on....Herb (on the ridge at Breezy Hill Farm) Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. =90=90=90=90=90=90=90 Original Message =90=90=90=90=90=90=90 On Friday, October 19, 2018 7:48 PM, John Hauck wrote: I buy the fuel line local, a good grade with pretty stiff wall. I like Gates. Go to their site. They have a lot of new stuff. Was just looking at submersible fuel line for using inside the fuel tank. Most neoprene rubber fuel line is fuel resistant on the inside, but not on the outside. Submersible is resistant inside and out. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line Hello John. Do you use the reinforced neoprene or just the straight neoprene like Aircraft Spruce sells? Thanks, George George H. Firestar Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:19 PM, John Hauck wrote: I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. It's an ultralight thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. Some that use urethane fuel line say they need it so they can see the fuel????? Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I automatically used urethane because that's what came in the kits and everyone else was using it. After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel line many years ago. Never had a problem with it. Last for a very long time. It has been around for a very long time. But I can't see my fuel...... john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM Subject: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this afternoon, hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia Outernational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months, with the fuel I put in it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in it. I decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added some line to the fuel output line (to reach a gas can) and blew into it to pressurize the tank & start fuel flowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but only air came back out the line. Finally pulled the fitting (installed in the top of the tank) and it came out with about an inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach the bottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on the other end. You can see in the pic what the pickup line looks like. Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of the tank are in good shape, even though they came off the same roll of fuel line and still have fuel in them. I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex line. I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this quickly. I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get this before I die" kind of thing. BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for the Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:26 AM PST US From: Rick Neilsen Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 George What time of the day was the flight? The colors are wonderful. Thanks. You have a giggle that detracts. On my MKIII I mount the camera on the wing strut right where the jury strut attaches. The wings seem to dapen engine vibrations. The fall colors were early this year and I had hoped to get a flight in to record them also but the weather didn't cooperate. We left for Florida the day before your flight. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:21 PM George Helton wrote: > Yup, same up here. That may have been my last flight of the year. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 11:12 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > Beautiful color. > > > I caught some nice color out of Marysvale, Utah, a few weeks back. Snow > is coming. > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of *George Helton > *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 9:20 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 > > > I changed the subject line, John. I thought you might enjoy this video. > The music leaves a lot to be desired. > > > https://youtu.be/jB9sOPQf2AE > > George H. > > Firestar > > Mesick, Michigan > > gdhelton@gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:19 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. It's an > ultralight thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. Some that use urethane fuel > line say they need it so they can see the fuel????? > > > Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I automatically used > urethane because that's what came in the kits and everyone else was using > it. > > > After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel line many years > ago. Never had a problem with it. Last for a very long time. It has been > around for a very long time. But I can't see my fuel...... > > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > > *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Charlie England > *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line > > > Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this afternoon, > hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia > Outernational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months, with the fuel > I put in it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in it. I > decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added some line to the > fuel output line (to reach a gas can) and blew into it to pressurize the > tank & start fuel flowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but > only air came back out the line. Finally pulled the fitting (installed in > the top of the tank) and it came out with about an inch of the urethane > flex line I used to reach the bottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on > the other end. You can see in the pic what the pickup line looks like. > Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of the tank are in good shape, > even though they came off the same roll of fuel line and still have fuel in > them. > > > I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex line. > I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this quickly. > I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get this > before I die" kind of thing. > > > BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for > the Pumpkin Drop. 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IG9uIHRoZSBmbGllciBhdHRhY2hlZC4 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:30 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Tripp's Firestar and the list I thought those good, adventurous times would last forever. We were so lucky to be able to share the experience of the Kolb Homecomings, the years Homer Kolb came down, the new Kolbers I got to meet that remain friends to this day. It was a small, special world for people that love these little Kolb airplanes. The paint is Polytone. john h mklIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pfatchantz Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 10:32 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Tripp's Firestar and the list John and all. It appears that I do not get the a mailing when I reply...only if someone else replies..May need to visit the preference page on Matronics ,,if one exists.. James on the list? I wanted to ask if the paint is polytone ? Log says so..but the finish is too shiny it seems... I can test it under the belly somewhere with acetone... I need to find some of those round stickers to patch a couple of small holes...The ones that say "ouch" or something as clever.. As I may have said or at least meant to say ...at my age this is a keeper !! I have other projects but not going to sell this bird. Only problem that I have is my long legs hitting the bottom of the extended instrument panel...I discovered that I can man spread and get safe clearance..so decided not to move it toward the nose... A lot of work and James did a really good job with it.. I remember Tripp flying to the Kolb factory at the 2004 or 5 flyin and succeeding years..maybe three.. from the log book... I have stopped at Norm Labhart field a couple of times lately...pretty sad...grown up...no sounds of Kolbs flying in from the far reaches...Michigan, Alabama...East Tenn..so on...the other John from Texas..Guys buzzing the pattern. Food...Travis and his banjo...drawing for prizes...good times never last!! Wetumpka? They need to change the welcoming sign!! :-) Herb Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. =90=90=90=90=90=90=90 Original Message =90=90=90=90=90=90=90 On Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:25 AM, John Hauck wrote: You almost got that right, Wetumpka, the big city 15 miles south of hauck's holler. Must have been a mistake on that historical marker's location. It should be placed up here in the country where I do some serious coffee drinking. James Tripp's Firestar was well built, not that I gave him a hand every once in a while. He is a good craftsman. That FS made several flights to the Kolb Homecoming in London, KY, and one flight to Nauga Field in Star Hill, LA, home of John Bickham, at the time. John B relocated to a flyin community in Los Lunas, NM. What a change from the swamps of LA to the desert of NM. He is now building a Bearcat. In that same community is our buddy Mike Marker who build a FS in addition to 12 or 13 other aircraft. He just finished up a Carbon Cub a couple years ago. I think he's building an RV8 now. They are part of our Kolb group that show up at the Rock House each year for our annual flyin. Herb, I reckon you'll get this FS squared away and sell it? I need to do some cosmetic work on my MKIII. Also need to rebuild the pitch trim system. Needs a new cable. The old system we designed 28 years ago held together for a lot of hours, around 3400.00, the first time around. Next time you are through the Heart of Dixie, stop by for a cup of coffee. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pfatchantz Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 10:18 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line Meetooo.... I buy gates when I can find it locally..otherwise just std auto fuel line.. Very shocking to grab the yellow stuff and have it disintegrate in ones hand..! pfatchantz...better know as Herb is back on the list..I think.. A note to say that I enjoyed my over nite in Troy Alabama...and my trip to Slocum and Freedom Field to purchase the much passed around James A. Tripp Kolb Firestar II...5th owner... 450 or so hours on airframe and engine...still looks good save a bit of hangar rash.. went down on the 8th , loaded and caught a motel in Troy.Something about a Hurricane?? Came back via 231...for my experience on I-65 told me that "ole Red" , my 1991 F250 Diesel was not happy on the interstate with everyone going 80 to 90 mph.. some beautiful country and quaint towns to be seen heading toward Huntsville...one I recall...weebumka...something like that? I stopped at the McDonalds there and noticed a historical marker at a table in the corner...said John Hauck was the champion coffee drinker in the restaurant... 750 gallons...as I recall.. Don't remember what year?? :-) James built a really good example of a Kolb Firestar...I have seen his color scheme somewhere?? :-) Amazingly , the landing gear is straight and the wheels are at a proper angle...4 previous owners?? I am on the spot now!! The first thing I noticed after getting it off of the trailer is how difficult it is to handle with the wings folded and how close the wing leading edge was to the ground. The MkIII and Fireflys were easier.. I welded up a three wheel dolly but got the castering front wheel at an angle... it worked well enough to get it into one side of the garage.. Anyone have a picture of a better one... Gotta do a bit more work...Castering wheels like to be level to the ground..maybe perpendicular is better said? Anyhow..always enjoy reading the list and hearing of the exploits and linking to the vids.. Hope to have the low time 503 installed in time for next spring...Logs do not show a decarb and they look complete... Carry on....Herb (on the ridge at Breezy Hill Farm) Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. =90=90=90=90=90=90=90 Original Message =90=90=90=90=90=90=90 On Friday, October 19, 2018 7:48 PM, John Hauck wrote: I buy the fuel line local, a good grade with pretty stiff wall. I like Gates. Go to their site. They have a lot of new stuff. Was just looking at submersible fuel line for using inside the fuel tank. Most neoprene rubber fuel line is fuel resistant on the inside, but not on the outside. Submersible is resistant inside and out. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:34 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line Hello John. Do you use the reinforced neoprene or just the straight neoprene like Aircraft Spruce sells? Thanks, George George H. Firestar Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:19 PM, John Hauck wrote: I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. It's an ultralight thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. Some that use urethane fuel line say they need it so they can see the fuel????? Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I automatically used urethane because that's what came in the kits and everyone else was using it. After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel line many years ago. Never had a problem with it. Last for a very long time. It has been around for a very long time. But I can't see my fuel...... john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM Subject: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this afternoon, hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia Outernational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months, with the fuel I put in it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in it. I decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added some line to the fuel output line (to reach a gas can) and blew into it to pressurize the tank & start fuel flowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but only air came back out the line. Finally pulled the fitting (installed in the top of the tank) and it came out with about an inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach the bottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on the other end. You can see in the pic what the pickup line looks like. Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of the tank are in good shape, even though they came off the same roll of fuel line and still have fuel in them. I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex line. I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this quickly. I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get this before I die" kind of thing. BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for the Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the flier attached. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:44 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Tripp's Firestar and the list From: Charlie England multiple subjects: Herb, I'm subscribed to multiple Matronics lists. On some, I see my own posts as incoming mail from that list. On others, I never see my posts unless someone replies to them, or I look them up on the Matronics server. For some reason, I'm not seeing your posts at the moment until someone replies to them. On moving a Kolb in the hangar: My Twinstar Mark Zero is light enough that I can pick up a main wheel by lifting at the strut/wing attach point. I bought 3 of the smallest Harbor Freight furniture dollies. Screwed a curved sheet metal 'cradle' across the long dimension of two of them for the mains, and a couple of 1x4s with a gap between for the tailwheel on the 3rd. Cheapest thing I could think of, to roll it around in the hangar, and the smallest/lightest, too. Charlie On 10/20/2018 10:51 AM, John Hauck wrote: > > I thought those good, adventurous times would last forever. We were so > lucky to be able to share the experience of the Kolb Homecomings, the > years Homer Kolb came down, the new Kolbers I got to meet that remain > friends to this day. It was a small, special world for people that > love these little Kolb airplanes. > > The paint is Polytone. > > john h > > mklIII > > Titus, Alabama > > *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pfatchantz > *Sent:* Saturday, October 20, 2018 10:32 AM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: Tripp's Firestar and the list > > John and all. > > It appears that I do not get the a mailing when I reply...only if > someone else replies..May need to visit the preference page on > Matronics ,,if one exists.. > > James on the list? I wanted to ask if the paint is polytone ? > Log says so..but the finish is too shiny it seems... I can test it > under the belly somewhere with acetone... I need to find some of those > round stickers to patch a couple of small holes...The ones that say > "ouch" or something as clever.. > > As I may have said or at least meant to say ...at my age this is a > keeper !! I have other projects but not going to sell this bird. > > Only problem that I have is my long legs hitting the bottom of the > extended instrument panel...I discovered that I can man spread and get > safe clearance..so decided not to move it toward the nose... A lot of > work and James did a really good job with it.. > > I remember Tripp flying to the Kolb factory at the 2004 or 5 > flyin and succeeding years..maybe three.. from the log book... > > I have stopped at Norm Labhart field a couple of times > lately...pretty sad...grown up...no sounds of Kolbs flying in from > the far reaches...Michigan, Alabama...East Tenn..so on...the other > John from Texas..Guys buzzing the pattern. Food...Travis and his > banjo...drawing for prizes...good times never last!! > > Wetumpka? They need to change the welcoming sign!! :-) Herb > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > Original Message > > On Saturday, October 20, 2018 8:25 AM, John Hauck > wrote: > > You almost got that right, Wetumpka, the big city 15 miles south > of hauck's holler. Must have been a mistake on that historical > marker's location. It should be placed up here in the country > where I do some serious coffee drinking. > > James Tripp's Firestar was well built, not that I gave him a hand > every once in a while. He is a good craftsman. That FS made > several flights to the Kolb Homecoming in London, KY, and one > flight to Nauga Field in Star Hill, LA, home of John Bickham, at > the time. John B relocated to a flyin community in Los Lunas, > NM. What a change from the swamps of LA to the desert of NM. He > is now building a Bearcat. In that same community is our buddy > Mike Marker who build a FS in addition to 12 or 13 other > aircraft. He just finished up a Carbon Cub a couple years ago. I > think he's building an RV8 now. They are part of our Kolb group > that show up at the Rock House each year for our annual flyin. > > Herb, I reckon you'll get this FS squared away and sell it? > > I need to do some cosmetic work on my MKIII. Also need to rebuild > the pitch trim system. Needs a new cable. The old system we > designed 28 years ago held together for a lot of hours, around > 3400.00, the first time around. > > Next time you are through the Heart of Dixie, stop by for a cup of > coffee. > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *Pfatchantz > *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 10:18 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line > > Meetooo.... > > I buy gates when I can find it locally..otherwise just std auto > fuel line.. Very shocking to grab the yellow stuff and have it > disintegrate in ones hand..! > > pfatchantz...better know as Herb is back on the list..I think.. > > A note to say that I enjoyed my over nite in Troy Alabama...and > my trip to Slocum and Freedom Field to purchase the much passed > around James A. Tripp Kolb Firestar II...5th owner... 450 or so > hours on airframe and engine...still looks good save a bit of > hangar rash.. went down on the 8th , loaded and caught a motel in > Troy.Something about a Hurricane?? > > Came back via 231...for my experience on I-65 told me that "ole > Red" , my 1991 F250 Diesel was not happy on the interstate with > everyone going 80 to 90 mph.. some beautiful country and quaint > towns to be seen heading toward Huntsville...one I > recall...weebumka...something like that? I stopped at the > McDonalds there and noticed a historical marker at a table in the > corner...said John Hauck was the champion coffee drinker in the > restaurant... 750 gallons...as I recall.. Don't remember what > year?? :-) > > James built a really good example of a Kolb Firestar...I have seen > his color scheme somewhere?? :-) Amazingly , the landing gear is > straight and the wheels are at a proper angle...4 previous > owners?? I am on the spot now!! > > The first thing I noticed after getting it off of the trailer is > how difficult it is to handle with the wings folded and how close > the wing leading edge was to the ground. The MkIII and Fireflys > were easier.. > > I welded up a three wheel dolly but got the castering front wheel > at an angle... it worked well enough to get it into one side of > the garage.. Anyone have a picture of a better one... Gotta do a > bit more work...Castering wheels like to be level to the > ground..maybe perpendicular is better said? > > Anyhow..always enjoy reading the list and hearing of the exploits > and linking to the vids.. > > Hope to have the low time 503 installed in time for next > spring...Logs do not show a decarb and they look complete... > > Carry on....Herb (on the ridge at Breezy Hill Farm) > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > Original Message > > On Friday, October 19, 2018 7:48 PM, John Hauck > wrote: > > I buy the fuel line local, a good grade with pretty stiff wall. > > I like Gates. Go to their site. They have a lot of new > stuff. Was just looking at submersible fuel line for using > inside the fuel tank. Most neoprene rubber fuel line is fuel > resistant on the inside, but not on the outside. Submersible > is resistant inside and out. > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *George Helton > *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 7:34 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line > > Hello John. Do you use the reinforced neoprene or just the > straight neoprene like Aircraft Spruce sells? Thanks, George > > George H. > > Firestar > > Mesick, Michigan > > gdhelton@gmail.com > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:19 PM, John Hauck > wrote: > > I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. > It's an ultralight thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. > Some that use urethane fuel line say they need it so they > can see the fuel????? > > Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I > automatically used urethane because that's what came in > the kits and everyone else was using it. > > After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel > line many years ago. Never had a problem with it. Last > for a very long time. It has been around for a very long > time. But I can't see my fuel...... > > john h > > mkIII > > Titus, Alabama > > *From:*owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf > Of *Charlie England > *Sent:* Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM > *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line > > Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb > this afternoon, hoping to get it flying for our annual > Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia Outernational (MS71). It's > been sitting for about 11 months, with the fuel I put in > it lastyear. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in > it. I decided to drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I > added some line to the fuel output line (to reach a gas > can) and blew into it to pressurize the tank & start fuel > flowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but only > air came back out the line. Finally pulled the fitting > (installed in the top of the tank) and it came out with > about an inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach > the bottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on the other > end. You can see in the pic what the pickup line looks > like. Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of the > tank are in good shape, even though they came off the same > roll of fuel line and still have fuel in them. > > I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade > stainless flex line. I must say, I'm a bit surprised that > it would rot this badly, this quickly. I thought annual > replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get this > before I die" kind of thing. > > BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, > come on down for the Pumpkin Drop. Contact info on the > flier attached. > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:02:04 AM PST US From: George Helton Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 We missed seeing you for a breakfast this year? Maybe next summer. I=99 d like to get a Kolb gathering together. Big Rapids is really enthusiastic a bout the idea. Trailer ins, camping and local flyers are all welcome for a t wo or three day event. Video was shot at about 9:00/9:30 in the morning. The clouds caused a lot of shadow early so I flew from one bright spot to the next. I had nice smooth a ir. The temperature was 31 degrees at takeoff. Good to hear from you. I =99m hoping for one more flight before I fold her up for the year. George H. Firestar Mesick, Michigan gdhelton@gmail.com Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 20, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > > George > > What time of the day was the flight? The colors are wonderful. Thanks. You have a giggle that detracts. On my MKIII I mount the camera on the wing str ut right where the jury strut attaches. The wings seem to dapen engine vibra tions. > > The fall colors were early this year and I had hoped to get a flight in to record them also but the weather didn't cooperate. We left for Florida the d ay before your flight. > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:21 PM George Helton wrote : >> Yup, same up here. That may have been my last flight of the year. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 19, 2018, at 11:12 PM, John Hauck wrote: >>> >>> Beautiful color. >>> >>> >>> >>> I caught some nice color out of Marysvale, Utah, a few weeks back. Snow is coming. >>> >>> >>> >>> john h >>> >>> mkIII >>> >>> Titus, Alabama >>> >>> >>> >>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-serve r@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Helton >>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 9:20 PM >>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Kolb-List: Northern May fall color flight 10/13/2018 >>> >>> >>> >>> I changed the subject line, John. I thought you might enjoy this video. T he music leaves a lot to be desired. >>> >>> >>> https://youtu.be/jB9sOPQf2AE >>> >>> George H. >>> >>> Firestar >>> >>> Mesick, Michigan >>> >>> gdhelton@gmail.com >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Oct 19, 2018, at 8:19 PM, John Hauck wrote: >>> >>> I don't know why folks insist on using plastic fuel line. It's an ultra light thing I guess. Stuff is dangerous. Some that use urethane fuel line s ay they need it so they can see the fuel????? >>> >>> >>> >>> Way back in prehistoric days of my ultralighting, I automatically used u rethane because that's what came in the kits and everyone else was using it. >>> >>> >>> >>> After some problems I changed over to neoprene rubber fuel line many yea rs ago. Never had a problem with it. Last for a very long time. It has be en around for a very long time. But I can't see my fuel...... >>> >>> >>> >>> john h >>> >>> mkIII >>> >>> Titus, Alabama >>> >>> >>> >>> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-serve r@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England >>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 5:42 PM >>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Kolb-List: urethane fuel (??) line >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, after a year of distractions, I got back on the Kolb this afternoo n, hoping to get it flying for our annual Pumpkin Drop here at Slobovia Oute rnational (MS71). It's been sitting for about 11 months, with the fuel I put in it last year. Non-ethanol premium mogas is what I put in it. I decided t o drain the tank to add fresh fuel, so I added some line to the fuel output l ine (to reach a gas can) and blew into it to pressurize the tank & start fue l flowing. Got great pressure with one lung of air, but only air came back o ut the line. Finally pulled the fitting (installed in the top of the tank) a nd it came out with about an inch of the urethane flex line I used to reach t he bottom of the tank, with a pickup filter on the other end. You can see in the pic what the pickup line looks like. Strange thing is, the lines on the outside of the tank are in good shape, even though they came off the same r oll of fuel line and still have fuel in them. >>> >>> >>> >>> I guess I'll replace with some teflon lined a/c grade stainless flex lin e. I must say, I'm a bit surprised that it would rot this badly, this quickl y. I thought annual replacement was a precaution; not a "I hope I get this b efore I die" kind of thing. >>> >>> >>> >>> BTW, if you're within striking distance of Jackson MS, come on down for t he Pumpkin Drop. 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