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1. 05:50 AM - Re: My Firestar 2 Build (loctupdave)
2. 08:40 AM - Re: Setback (George Alexander)
3. 09:53 AM - ADS-B out (Nick Cassara)
4. 10:23 AM - Re: ADS-B out (John Hauck)
5. 10:43 AM - Re: ADS-B out (TheWanderingWench)
6. 12:57 PM - Re: ADS-B out (Charlie England)
7. 04:05 PM - Re: Setback (Richard Pike)
8. 04:26 PM - Re: ADS-B out (John Hauck)
9. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: Setback (Charlie England)
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Subject: | Re: My Firestar 2 Build |
Thank you for the information.
The root tube and the rest of the fuselage is clean of paint to the metal. There
is no numbers on the root tube front or back.
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victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
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> S N I P
>
> .......as we all have found out the 3.47 box causes a lot of problems with the
Kolb.
>
> Bill Berle
>
>
My Kolb Firestar II performs beautifully with the 3.47 ('C') gearbox with a Powerfin
3 Model F prop behind the Rotax 503 DCDI.
--------
George Alexander
FS II R503
E-LSA N709FS
http://www.oh2fly.net
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Hello Kolbers,
I am wondering if anyone has tackled ADS-B Out installation on their Kolb. I am
not finding any inexpensive way to meet this requirement. UAIONIX has a Wing
Tip, or Tail Light Strobe ADS-B Out unit for around fifteen hundred bucks. Since
I live on the edge of some very busy airspace, I will be following this requirement
and doing an installation on my Kolbra.
If I lived out in the desert somewhere; might not be so important.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
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I too am out in the country, definitely not desert. ;-)
Also sorry to say I have not read the first requirement for ADS-B, but have seen
it mentioned and advertised many times. Am I missing a requirement that I should
have installed on my MKIII?
BTW: Happy Thanksgiving to all my Kolb friends. Thanks for being there for the
past 34 years on this wonderful Kolb flight.
john h
hauck's holler, Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:54 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B out
Hello Kolbers,
I am wondering if anyone has tackled ADS-B Out installation on their Kolb. I am
not finding any inexpensive way to meet this requirement. UAIONIX has a Wing
Tip, or Tail Light Strobe ADS-B Out unit for around fifteen hundred bucks. Since
I live on the edge of some very busy airspace, I will be following this requirement
and doing an installation on my Kolbra.
If I lived out in the desert somewhere; might not be so important.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
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John -
If you never (or very seldom) fly into ADS-B-designated airspace, then the
re is no requirement to equip.=C2- A number of my friends and I are not g
oing to install, because we don't fly in/through that airspace. AND because
you can request an authorized deviation from ATC if you are not equipped.
Check out Federal Regulation 14 CFR =C2=A7 91.225 and 14 CFR =C2=A7 91.227
for specific info.
Have a great Thanksgiving.
ArtySandy, Oregon
=C2-"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 10:28:08 AM PST, John Hauck <jhauck@elm
ore.rr.com> wrote:
I too am out in the country, definitely not desert.=C2- ;-)
Also sorry to say I have not read the first requirement for ADS-B, but have
seen it mentioned and advertised many times.=C2- Am I missing a requirem
ent that I should have installed on my MKIII?
BTW:=C2- Happy Thanksgiving to all my Kolb friends.=C2- Thanks for bein
g there for the past 34 years on this wonderful Kolb flight.
john h
hauck's holler, Titus, Alabama
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:54 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B out
Hello Kolbers,
I am wondering if anyone has tackled ADS-B Out installation on their Kolb.
I am not finding any inexpensive way to meet this requirement. UAIONIX has
a Wing Tip, or Tail Light Strobe ADS-B Out unit for around fifteen hundred
bucks. Since I live on the edge of some very busy airspace, I will be follo
wing this requirement and doing an installation on my Kolbra.
If I lived out in the desert somewhere; might not be so important.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
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John,
Short answer: If you currently need a mode C transponder to fly whe
re you intend to fly, you will need adsb-out=2E If you don't, you won't=2E
:-)
=81=A3Charlie=8B
On Nov 22, 2018, 1:25 PM, at 1:25 PM, John
Hauck <jhauck@elmore=2Err=2Ecom> wrote:
John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore=2Err=2Ecom>
>
>I too am out in the country, defi
nitely not desert=2E ;-)
>
>Also sorry to say I have not read the first re
quirement for ADS-B, but
>have seen it mentioned and advertised many times
=2E Am I missing a
>requirement that I should have installed on my MKIII?
>
>BTW: Happy Thanksgiving to all my Kolb friends=2E Thanks for being
>th
ere for the past 34 years on this wonderful Kolb flight=2E
>
>john h
>hauck
's holler, Titus, Alabama
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-
kolb-list-server@matronics=2Ecom
>[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics
=2Ecom] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara
>Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:54
AM
>To: kolb-list@matronics=2Ecom
>Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B out
>
>--> Kol
b-List message posted by: Nick Cassara <nickc@mtaonline=2Enet>
>
>Hello Kol
bers,
>
>I am wondering if anyone has tackled ADS-B Out installation on the
ir
>Kolb=2E I am not finding any inexpensive way to meet this requirement
=2E
>UAIONIX has a Wing Tip, or Tail Light Strobe ADS-B Out unit for around
>fifteen hundred bucks=2E Since I live on the edge of some very busy
>airs
pace, I will be following this requirement and doing an
>installation on my
Kolbra=2E
>If I lived out in the desert somewhere; might not be so import
ant=2E
>
>Nick Cassara
>Palmer, Alaska
>
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victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
>
>
> Today I flew during the time of day the control tower was operating, for the
second time. Even on a day that was not busy, my 50 MPH airplane was causing traffic
separation issues, making the control tower get other people out of the
way, and making me get out of other people's way. Several of the comments on
the radio by the tower and my fellow pilots made me realize that this slow airplane
is not going to be welcome at this airport for very long. If this had been
a busy Saturday the tower would have requested that I stop flying for air traffic
safety. I would not be able to blame them,and the FAA will stand behind
the tower controllers 100% on this type of issue.
>
> Bill Berle
>
I understand where you are coming from, and you are sort of right, and sort of
wrong. I am an old man, and old men like to tell stories, so I'll tell mine. Besides,
today is Thanksgiving, and we all have much to be thankful for, hopefully
some of you will find this amusing.
I am a retired air traffic controller, transferred into TriCities Regional (TRI)
in 1981.
In 1983 I built a Maxair Hummer as a legal Part 103 ultralight. Got a radio for
it, because my airstrip (3TN0) is just inside the Class D airspace. (Used to
be called the Airport Traffic Area/Control Zone)
Depending on which supervisor was working that day, I had several different ways
to get in and out of my airstrip to go fly. Or come home from flying:
Milt: Call on the phone and ask - you have a ten minute window to take off and
get out of the ATA. Same thing if you want to come back; call ahead and give a
projected ETA within ten minutes. (This was my Sup - he was a real joy to work
for)
Toby or Joe; Use the radio - that's what it's for.
Shub: Just do it and don't bother us. We don't care.
After several months of this, I had had enough chicken hockey to last me for several
years, so I licensed the Hummer as an Experimental Amateur Built, put N
numbers on it, and told them to that I expected to be treated as any other General
Aviation aircraft. My Tower Chief (who should have known better, or at least
known the regs) said it was still an ultralight, so nothing had changed. Consequently
the next day (I was off) I flew it in and landed, tied it down, and
went to lunch. After lunch I flew it back to my strip. When I came back to work
a couple days later, he called me into his office and advised me that he had
been in touch with the Airport Manager and was planning to take action against
me. I told him that before he went much further he better call GADO and FSDO
and ask a few questions. Apparently they straightened him out. Never heard
a peep.
So then things escalated - (are you surprised?) I would go fly and if I was in
the Class D, I would call for traffic advisories and request TRSA services. Depending
on which controller was on the other end, sometimes I was asked to do
a few identifying turns for radar identification, and then given "Radar Contact,
etc." And given the appropriate legally required services.
In other cases, (depending on who was working the other end) I was told that ultralight-type
aircraft were unidentifiable, have a nice day, frequency change
approved.
By this time I was getting to the point of obsession, (not to mention being totally
PO'd) so I went on ebay and bought a transponder. Wired it in, got it working
and 90% of my workmates were cool with it. But there is always that 10%...
Who were unable to properly identify me and provide TRSA services for whatever
reasons. So Ed in his Hummer & I flew down to Knoxville, called TYS Approach
Control, flight of two, squawk, etc, landing Downtown Island, and got perfect
service. Went back to work a couple days later, bragged about the great service
we got from Knoxville Approach Control, and the local FAA (my co-workers
and staff) caved and started behaving.
But not entirely.
The Tower Chief cornered me in the Break Room and and asked me "What would you
do if you were in the pattern and you had to deal with a Southern 737 on downwind,
and you were told to follow him?"
I said I would follow him in such a way that I could stay out of his wake turbulence.
"But what if you were told to tighten it up for traffic?"
I told him that I was the Pilot in Command of the aircraft, I was solely responsible
for my own safety, and I would do as necessary to stay out of his wake turbulence.
"So you would not be conforming to ATC instructions?"
I love it when a plan comes together... I told him - "You know; my wife used to
work for Miami GADO, she has written up a lot of accident and incident reports,
she knows the regs almost as well as I do, and I will be telling her about
this conversation. So if any problems ever come up in the local area that turn
out poorly for me, she will know what to do."
Checkmate. End of BS.
So Bill - the point of all this is that I know where you are coming from, however
the FAA is required to provide services to any and all legal users, and they
CANNOT deny you services. They can delay you, they can have you do several 360's,
they can re sequence you as necessary. But they CANNOT refuse you service
or tell you to go away. Or tell you that you cannot play with the Big Boys.
It is their responsibility to sequence you with faster traffic. That's why they
get the Big Bucks. But if they try and tell you "You don't fit: go away!" Study
the regs, hold their feet to the fire, and (as we used to say in South Georgia)
"Be prepared to kick ass and take names!"
Because the FAA does not back the tower controllers; they back the regs. If the
regs are on your side - you win.
I understand why you did what you thought was appropriate. Good luck and God Bless
with your next build.
--------
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Redoing the Firefly windshield)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.
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Thanks, Arty.
This FAA Pub spells it out pretty well, well enough for me to grasp and
understand.
https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/research/
I've been able to fly all over the US, Canada, and Alaska, without
having to enter airspace where ADS-B would be required. Don't think
I'll have a requirement for it in the future.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
TheWanderingWench
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADS-B out
John -
If you never (or very seldom) fly into ADS-B-designated airspace, then
there is no requirement to equip. A number of my friends and I are not
going to install, because we don't fly in/through that airspace. AND
because you can request an authorized deviation from ATC if you are not
equipped. Check out Federal Regulation 14 CFR =C2=A7 91.225
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=14:2.0.1.3.10#se14.2.91_1225
> and 14 CFR =C2=A7 91.227
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=14:2.0.1.3.10#se14.2.91_1227
> for specific info.
Have a great Thanksgiving.
Arty
Sandy, Oregon
"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death."
On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 10:28:08 AM PST, John Hauck
<jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
I too am out in the country, definitely not desert. ;-)
Also sorry to say I have not read the first requirement for ADS-B, but
have seen it mentioned and advertised many times. Am I missing a
requirement that I should have installed on my MKIII?
BTW: Happy Thanksgiving to all my Kolb friends. Thanks for being there
for the past 34 years on this wonderful Kolb flight.
john h
hauck's holler, Titus, Alabama
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:54 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B out
Hello Kolbers,
I am wondering if anyone has tackled ADS-B Out installation on their
Kolb. I am not finding any inexpensive way to meet this requirement.
UAIONIX has a Wing Tip, or Tail Light Strobe ADS-B Out unit for around
fifteen hundred bucks. Since I live on the edge of some very busy
airspace, I will be following this requirement and doing an installation
on my Kolbra.
If I lived out in the desert somewhere; might not be so
important.
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska
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=81=A3Charlie=8B
On Nov 22, 2018, 7:07 PM, at 7:07 PM, Richard
Pike <thegreybaron@charter=2Enet> wrote:
"Richard Pike"
><thegreybaron@charter=2Enet>
>
>
>victorbravo(at)sbcglobal
=2E wrote:
>>
>>
>> Today I flew during the time of day the control tower
was operating,
>for the second time=2E Even on a day that was not busy, my
50 MPH
>airplane was causing traffic separation issues, making the control
>tower get other people out of the way, and making me get out of other
>pe
ople's way=2E Several of the comments on the radio by the tower and my
>fel
low pilots made me realize that this slow airplane is not going to
>be welc
ome at this airport for very long=2E If this had been a busy
>Saturday the
tower would have requested that I stop flying for air
>traffic safety=2E I
would not be able to blame them,and the FAA will
>stand behind the tower co
ntrollers 100% on this type of issue=2E
>>
>> Bill Berle
>>
>
>
>I unders
tand where you are coming from, and you are sort of right, and
>sort of wro
ng=2E I am an old man, and old men like to tell stories, so
>I'll tell mine
=2E Besides, today is Thanksgiving, and we all have much to
>be thankful fo
r, hopefully some of you will find this amusing=2E
>
>I am a retired air tr
affic controller, transferred into TriCities
>Regional (TRI) in 1981=2E
>I
n 1983 I built a Maxair Hummer as a legal Part 103 ultralight=2E Got a
>rad
io for it, because my airstrip (3TN0) is just inside the Class D
>airspace
=2E (Used to be called the Airport Traffic Area/Control Zone)
>Depending
on which supervisor was working that day, I had several
>different ways to
get in and out of my airstrip to go fly=2E Or come home
>from flying:
>Milt
: Call on the phone and ask - you have a ten minute window to take
>off and
get out of the ATA=2E Same thing if you want to come back; call
>ahead and
give a projected ETA within ten minutes=2E (This was my Sup -
>he was a re
al joy to work for)
>Toby or Joe; Use the radio - that's what it's for=2E
>
Shub: Just do it and don't bother us=2E We don't care=2E
>
>After several m
onths of this, I had had enough chicken hockey to last
>me for several year
s, so I licensed the Hummer as an Experimental
>Amateur Built, put N number
s on it, and told them to that I expected to
>be treated as any other Gener
al Aviation aircraft=2E My Tower Chief (who
>should have known better, or a
t least known the regs) said it was still
>an ultralight, so nothing had ch
anged=2E Consequently the next day (I was
>off) I flew it in and landed, ti
ed it down, and went to lunch=2E After
>lunch I flew it back to my strip=2E
When I came back to work a couple
>days later, he called me into his offic
e and advised me that he had
>been in touch with the Airport Manager and wa
s planning to take action
>against me=2E I told him that before he went muc
h further he better call
>GADO and FSDO and ask a few questions=2E Apparen
tly they straightened
>him out=2E Never heard a peep=2E
>
>So then things e
scalated - (are you surprised?) I would go fly and if I
>was in the Class D
, I would call for traffic advisories and request
>TRSA services=2E Dependi
ng on which controller was on the other end,
>sometimes I was asked to do a
few identifying turns for radar
>identification, and then given "Radar Con
tact, etc=2E" And given the
>appropriate legally required services=2E
>In o
ther cases, (depending on who was working the other end) I was told
>that u
ltralight-type aircraft were unidentifiable, have a nice day,
>frequency ch
ange approved=2E
>
>By this time I was getting to the point of obsession, (
not to mention
>being totally PO'd) so I went on ebay and bought a transpon
der=2E Wired
>it in, got it working and 90% of my workmates were cool wit
h it=2E But
>there is always that 10%=2E=2E=2E Who were unable to properly
identify me
>and provide TRSA services for whatever reasons=2E So Ed in hi
s Hummer & I
>flew down to Knoxville, called TYS Approach Control, flight o
f two,
>squawk, etc, landing Downtown Island, and got perfect service=2E We
nt
>back to work a couple days later, bragged about the great service we
>g
ot from Knoxville Approach Control, and the local FAA (my co-workers
>and s
taff) caved and started behaving=2E
>
>But not entirely=2E
>
>The Tower Chi
ef cornered me in the Break Room and and asked me "What
>would you do if yo
u were in the pattern and you had to deal with a
>Southern 737 on downwind,
and you were told to follow him?"
>I said I would follow him in such a way
that I could stay out of his
>wake turbulence=2E
>"But what if you were to
ld to tighten it up for traffic?"
>I told him that I was the Pilot in Comma
nd of the aircraft, I was
>solely responsible for my own safety, and I woul
d do as necessary to
>stay out of his wake turbulence=2E
>"So you would not
be conforming to ATC instructions?"
>
>I love it when a plan comes togethe
r=2E=2E=2E I told him - "You know; my wife
>used to work for Miami GADO, sh
e has written up a lot of accident and
>incident reports, she knows the reg
s almost as well as I do, and I will
>be telling her about this conversatio
n=2E So if any problems ever come up
>in the local area that turn out poorl
y for me, she will know what to
>do=2E"
>
>Checkmate=2E End of BS=2E
>
>So
Bill - the point of all this is that I know where you are coming
>from, ho
wever the FAA is required to provide services to any and all
>legal users,
and they CANNOT deny you services=2E They can delay you,
>they can have you
do several 360's, they can re sequence you as
>necessary=2E But they CANN
OT refuse you service or tell you to go away=2E
>Or tell you that you canno
t play with the Big Boys=2E It is their
>responsibility to sequence you wit
h faster traffic=2E That's why they get
>the Big Bucks=2E But if they try a
nd tell you "You don't fit: go away!"
>Study the regs, hold their feet to t
he fire, and (as we used to say in
>South Georgia) "Be prepared to kick ass
and take names!"
>
>Because the FAA does not back the tower controllers; t
hey back the
>regs=2E If the regs are on your side - you win=2E
>
>I unders
tand why you did what you thought was appropriate=2E Good luck
>and God Ble
ss with your next build=2E
>
>--------
>Richard Pike
>Kolb MKIII N420P (420
ldPoops)
>Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Redoing the Firefly windshield)
>Kin
gsport, TN 3TN0
>
>Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God
's grace really
>is amazing=2E
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>htt
p://forums=2Ematronics=2Ecom/viewtopic=2Ephp?p=485515#485515
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