---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/22/18: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:50 AM - Re: My Firestar 2 Build (loctupdave) 2. 08:40 AM - Re: Setback (George Alexander) 3. 09:53 AM - ADS-B out (Nick Cassara) 4. 10:23 AM - Re: ADS-B out (John Hauck) 5. 10:43 AM - Re: ADS-B out (TheWanderingWench) 6. 12:57 PM - Re: ADS-B out (Charlie England) 7. 04:05 PM - Re: Setback (Richard Pike) 8. 04:26 PM - Re: ADS-B out (John Hauck) 9. 07:17 PM - Re: Re: Setback (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:02 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: My Firestar 2 Build From: "loctupdave" Thank you for the information. The root tube and the rest of the fuselage is clean of paint to the metal. There is no numbers on the root tube front or back. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=485502#485502 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Setback From: "George Alexander" victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote: > > > S N I P > > .......as we all have found out the 3.47 box causes a lot of problems with the Kolb. > > Bill Berle > > My Kolb Firestar II performs beautifully with the 3.47 ('C') gearbox with a Powerfin 3 Model F prop behind the Rotax 503 DCDI. -------- George Alexander FS II R503 E-LSA N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=485504#485504 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:09 AM PST US From: Nick Cassara Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B out Hello Kolbers, I am wondering if anyone has tackled ADS-B Out installation on their Kolb. I am not finding any inexpensive way to meet this requirement. UAIONIX has a Wing Tip, or Tail Light Strobe ADS-B Out unit for around fifteen hundred bucks. Since I live on the edge of some very busy airspace, I will be following this requirement and doing an installation on my Kolbra. If I lived out in the desert somewhere; might not be so important. Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:48 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: ADS-B out I too am out in the country, definitely not desert. ;-) Also sorry to say I have not read the first requirement for ADS-B, but have seen it mentioned and advertised many times. Am I missing a requirement that I should have installed on my MKIII? BTW: Happy Thanksgiving to all my Kolb friends. Thanks for being there for the past 34 years on this wonderful Kolb flight. john h hauck's holler, Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:54 AM Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B out Hello Kolbers, I am wondering if anyone has tackled ADS-B Out installation on their Kolb. I am not finding any inexpensive way to meet this requirement. UAIONIX has a Wing Tip, or Tail Light Strobe ADS-B Out unit for around fifteen hundred bucks. Since I live on the edge of some very busy airspace, I will be following this requirement and doing an installation on my Kolbra. If I lived out in the desert somewhere; might not be so important. Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska ?Kolb-List ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:09 AM PST US From: TheWanderingWench Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADS-B out John - If you never (or very seldom) fly into ADS-B-designated airspace, then the re is no requirement to equip.=C2- A number of my friends and I are not g oing to install, because we don't fly in/through that airspace. AND because you can request an authorized deviation from ATC if you are not equipped. Check out Federal Regulation 14 CFR =C2=A7 91.225 and 14 CFR =C2=A7 91.227 for specific info. Have a great Thanksgiving. ArtySandy, Oregon =C2-"I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 10:28:08 AM PST, John Hauck wrote: I too am out in the country, definitely not desert.=C2- ;-) Also sorry to say I have not read the first requirement for ADS-B, but have seen it mentioned and advertised many times.=C2- Am I missing a requirem ent that I should have installed on my MKIII? BTW:=C2- Happy Thanksgiving to all my Kolb friends.=C2- Thanks for bein g there for the past 34 years on this wonderful Kolb flight. john h hauck's holler, Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:54 AM Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B out Hello Kolbers, I am wondering if anyone has tackled ADS-B Out installation on their Kolb. I am not finding any inexpensive way to meet this requirement. UAIONIX has a Wing Tip, or Tail Light Strobe ADS-B Out unit for around fifteen hundred bucks. Since I live on the edge of some very busy airspace, I will be follo wing this requirement and doing an installation on my Kolbra. If I lived out in the desert somewhere; might not be so important. Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska ?Kolb-List =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:02 PM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: ADS-B out From: Charlie England John, Short answer: If you currently need a mode C transponder to fly whe re you intend to fly, you will need adsb-out=2E If you don't, you won't=2E :-) =81=A3Charlie=8B On Nov 22, 2018, 1:25 PM, at 1:25 PM, John Hauck wrote: John Hauck" > >I too am out in the country, defi nitely not desert=2E ;-) > >Also sorry to say I have not read the first re quirement for ADS-B, but >have seen it mentioned and advertised many times =2E Am I missing a >requirement that I should have installed on my MKIII? > >BTW: Happy Thanksgiving to all my Kolb friends=2E Thanks for being >th ere for the past 34 years on this wonderful Kolb flight=2E > >john h >hauck 's holler, Titus, Alabama > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner- kolb-list-server@matronics=2Ecom >[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics =2Ecom] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara >Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:54 AM >To: kolb-list@matronics=2Ecom >Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B out > >--> Kol b-List message posted by: Nick Cassara > >Hello Kol bers, > >I am wondering if anyone has tackled ADS-B Out installation on the ir >Kolb=2E I am not finding any inexpensive way to meet this requirement =2E >UAIONIX has a Wing Tip, or Tail Light Strobe ADS-B Out unit for around >fifteen hundred bucks=2E Since I live on the edge of some very busy >airs pace, I will be following this requirement and doing an >installation on my Kolbra=2E >If I lived out in the desert somewhere; might not be so import ant=2E > >Nick Cassara >Palmer, Alaska > >?Kolb-List > > >_ -======================== r Lists This Month -- > the Contribution link below to find out more about errific Free Incentive Gifts provided y Pilot Store www=2Emypilotstore=2Ecom b Site: -Matt Dralle, List Admin=2E === atronics List Features Navigator to browse uch as List Un/Subscription, , Chat, FAQ, p://www=2Ematronics=2Ecom/Navigator?Kolb-List === t content also available via the Web Forums! ums=2Ematronics=2Ecom ==================== - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - Email List Wiki! ===== Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin=2E ibution ============= ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:05:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Setback From: "Richard Pike" victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote: > > > Today I flew during the time of day the control tower was operating, for the second time. Even on a day that was not busy, my 50 MPH airplane was causing traffic separation issues, making the control tower get other people out of the way, and making me get out of other people's way. Several of the comments on the radio by the tower and my fellow pilots made me realize that this slow airplane is not going to be welcome at this airport for very long. If this had been a busy Saturday the tower would have requested that I stop flying for air traffic safety. I would not be able to blame them,and the FAA will stand behind the tower controllers 100% on this type of issue. > > Bill Berle > I understand where you are coming from, and you are sort of right, and sort of wrong. I am an old man, and old men like to tell stories, so I'll tell mine. Besides, today is Thanksgiving, and we all have much to be thankful for, hopefully some of you will find this amusing. I am a retired air traffic controller, transferred into TriCities Regional (TRI) in 1981. In 1983 I built a Maxair Hummer as a legal Part 103 ultralight. Got a radio for it, because my airstrip (3TN0) is just inside the Class D airspace. (Used to be called the Airport Traffic Area/Control Zone) Depending on which supervisor was working that day, I had several different ways to get in and out of my airstrip to go fly. Or come home from flying: Milt: Call on the phone and ask - you have a ten minute window to take off and get out of the ATA. Same thing if you want to come back; call ahead and give a projected ETA within ten minutes. (This was my Sup - he was a real joy to work for) Toby or Joe; Use the radio - that's what it's for. Shub: Just do it and don't bother us. We don't care. After several months of this, I had had enough chicken hockey to last me for several years, so I licensed the Hummer as an Experimental Amateur Built, put N numbers on it, and told them to that I expected to be treated as any other General Aviation aircraft. My Tower Chief (who should have known better, or at least known the regs) said it was still an ultralight, so nothing had changed. Consequently the next day (I was off) I flew it in and landed, tied it down, and went to lunch. After lunch I flew it back to my strip. When I came back to work a couple days later, he called me into his office and advised me that he had been in touch with the Airport Manager and was planning to take action against me. I told him that before he went much further he better call GADO and FSDO and ask a few questions. Apparently they straightened him out. Never heard a peep. So then things escalated - (are you surprised?) I would go fly and if I was in the Class D, I would call for traffic advisories and request TRSA services. Depending on which controller was on the other end, sometimes I was asked to do a few identifying turns for radar identification, and then given "Radar Contact, etc." And given the appropriate legally required services. In other cases, (depending on who was working the other end) I was told that ultralight-type aircraft were unidentifiable, have a nice day, frequency change approved. By this time I was getting to the point of obsession, (not to mention being totally PO'd) so I went on ebay and bought a transponder. Wired it in, got it working and 90% of my workmates were cool with it. But there is always that 10%... Who were unable to properly identify me and provide TRSA services for whatever reasons. So Ed in his Hummer & I flew down to Knoxville, called TYS Approach Control, flight of two, squawk, etc, landing Downtown Island, and got perfect service. Went back to work a couple days later, bragged about the great service we got from Knoxville Approach Control, and the local FAA (my co-workers and staff) caved and started behaving. But not entirely. The Tower Chief cornered me in the Break Room and and asked me "What would you do if you were in the pattern and you had to deal with a Southern 737 on downwind, and you were told to follow him?" I said I would follow him in such a way that I could stay out of his wake turbulence. "But what if you were told to tighten it up for traffic?" I told him that I was the Pilot in Command of the aircraft, I was solely responsible for my own safety, and I would do as necessary to stay out of his wake turbulence. "So you would not be conforming to ATC instructions?" I love it when a plan comes together... I told him - "You know; my wife used to work for Miami GADO, she has written up a lot of accident and incident reports, she knows the regs almost as well as I do, and I will be telling her about this conversation. So if any problems ever come up in the local area that turn out poorly for me, she will know what to do." Checkmate. End of BS. So Bill - the point of all this is that I know where you are coming from, however the FAA is required to provide services to any and all legal users, and they CANNOT deny you services. They can delay you, they can have you do several 360's, they can re sequence you as necessary. But they CANNOT refuse you service or tell you to go away. Or tell you that you cannot play with the Big Boys. It is their responsibility to sequence you with faster traffic. That's why they get the Big Bucks. But if they try and tell you "You don't fit: go away!" Study the regs, hold their feet to the fire, and (as we used to say in South Georgia) "Be prepared to kick ass and take names!" Because the FAA does not back the tower controllers; they back the regs. If the regs are on your side - you win. I understand why you did what you thought was appropriate. Good luck and God Bless with your next build. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Redoing the Firefly windshield) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=485515#485515 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:34 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: ADS-B out Thanks, Arty. This FAA Pub spells it out pretty well, well enough for me to grasp and understand. https://www.faa.gov/nextgen/equipadsb/research/ I've been able to fly all over the US, Canada, and Alaska, without having to enter airspace where ADS-B would be required. Don't think I'll have a requirement for it in the future. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TheWanderingWench Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ADS-B out John - If you never (or very seldom) fly into ADS-B-designated airspace, then there is no requirement to equip. A number of my friends and I are not going to install, because we don't fly in/through that airspace. AND because you can request an authorized deviation from ATC if you are not equipped. Check out Federal Regulation 14 CFR =C2=A7 91.225 and 14 CFR =C2=A7 91.227 for specific info. Have a great Thanksgiving. Arty Sandy, Oregon "I refuse to tip toe through life just to arrive safely at death." On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 10:28:08 AM PST, John Hauck wrote: I too am out in the country, definitely not desert. ;-) Also sorry to say I have not read the first requirement for ADS-B, but have seen it mentioned and advertised many times. Am I missing a requirement that I should have installed on my MKIII? BTW: Happy Thanksgiving to all my Kolb friends. Thanks for being there for the past 34 years on this wonderful Kolb flight. john h hauck's holler, Titus, Alabama -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Cassara Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2018 11:54 AM Subject: Kolb-List: ADS-B out Hello Kolbers, I am wondering if anyone has tackled ADS-B Out installation on their Kolb. I am not finding any inexpensive way to meet this requirement. UAIONIX has a Wing Tip, or Tail Light Strobe ADS-B Out unit for around fifteen hundred bucks. Since I live on the edge of some very busy airspace, I will be following this requirement and doing an installation on my Kolbra. If I lived out in the desert somewhere; might not be so important. Nick Cassara Palmer, Alaska ?Kolb-List httpbsp; ================== http://www.matronics.com/Navi - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - http://wiki.m &nbsnbsp; --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ================ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Setback From: Charlie England =81=A3Charlie=8B On Nov 22, 2018, 7:07 PM, at 7:07 PM, Richard Pike wrote: "Richard Pike" > > > >victorbravo(at)sbcglobal =2E wrote: >> >> >> Today I flew during the time of day the control tower was operating, >for the second time=2E Even on a day that was not busy, my 50 MPH >airplane was causing traffic separation issues, making the control >tower get other people out of the way, and making me get out of other >pe ople's way=2E Several of the comments on the radio by the tower and my >fel low pilots made me realize that this slow airplane is not going to >be welc ome at this airport for very long=2E If this had been a busy >Saturday the tower would have requested that I stop flying for air >traffic safety=2E I would not be able to blame them,and the FAA will >stand behind the tower co ntrollers 100% on this type of issue=2E >> >> Bill Berle >> > > >I unders tand where you are coming from, and you are sort of right, and >sort of wro ng=2E I am an old man, and old men like to tell stories, so >I'll tell mine =2E Besides, today is Thanksgiving, and we all have much to >be thankful fo r, hopefully some of you will find this amusing=2E > >I am a retired air tr affic controller, transferred into TriCities >Regional (TRI) in 1981=2E >I n 1983 I built a Maxair Hummer as a legal Part 103 ultralight=2E Got a >rad io for it, because my airstrip (3TN0) is just inside the Class D >airspace =2E (Used to be called the Airport Traffic Area/Control Zone) >Depending on which supervisor was working that day, I had several >different ways to get in and out of my airstrip to go fly=2E Or come home >from flying: >Milt : Call on the phone and ask - you have a ten minute window to take >off and get out of the ATA=2E Same thing if you want to come back; call >ahead and give a projected ETA within ten minutes=2E (This was my Sup - >he was a re al joy to work for) >Toby or Joe; Use the radio - that's what it's for=2E > Shub: Just do it and don't bother us=2E We don't care=2E > >After several m onths of this, I had had enough chicken hockey to last >me for several year s, so I licensed the Hummer as an Experimental >Amateur Built, put N number s on it, and told them to that I expected to >be treated as any other Gener al Aviation aircraft=2E My Tower Chief (who >should have known better, or a t least known the regs) said it was still >an ultralight, so nothing had ch anged=2E Consequently the next day (I was >off) I flew it in and landed, ti ed it down, and went to lunch=2E After >lunch I flew it back to my strip=2E When I came back to work a couple >days later, he called me into his offic e and advised me that he had >been in touch with the Airport Manager and wa s planning to take action >against me=2E I told him that before he went muc h further he better call >GADO and FSDO and ask a few questions=2E Apparen tly they straightened >him out=2E Never heard a peep=2E > >So then things e scalated - (are you surprised?) I would go fly and if I >was in the Class D , I would call for traffic advisories and request >TRSA services=2E Dependi ng on which controller was on the other end, >sometimes I was asked to do a few identifying turns for radar >identification, and then given "Radar Con tact, etc=2E" And given the >appropriate legally required services=2E >In o ther cases, (depending on who was working the other end) I was told >that u ltralight-type aircraft were unidentifiable, have a nice day, >frequency ch ange approved=2E > >By this time I was getting to the point of obsession, ( not to mention >being totally PO'd) so I went on ebay and bought a transpon der=2E Wired >it in, got it working and 90% of my workmates were cool wit h it=2E But >there is always that 10%=2E=2E=2E Who were unable to properly identify me >and provide TRSA services for whatever reasons=2E So Ed in hi s Hummer & I >flew down to Knoxville, called TYS Approach Control, flight o f two, >squawk, etc, landing Downtown Island, and got perfect service=2E We nt >back to work a couple days later, bragged about the great service we >g ot from Knoxville Approach Control, and the local FAA (my co-workers >and s taff) caved and started behaving=2E > >But not entirely=2E > >The Tower Chi ef cornered me in the Break Room and and asked me "What >would you do if yo u were in the pattern and you had to deal with a >Southern 737 on downwind, and you were told to follow him?" >I said I would follow him in such a way that I could stay out of his >wake turbulence=2E >"But what if you were to ld to tighten it up for traffic?" >I told him that I was the Pilot in Comma nd of the aircraft, I was >solely responsible for my own safety, and I woul d do as necessary to >stay out of his wake turbulence=2E >"So you would not be conforming to ATC instructions?" > >I love it when a plan comes togethe r=2E=2E=2E I told him - "You know; my wife >used to work for Miami GADO, sh e has written up a lot of accident and >incident reports, she knows the reg s almost as well as I do, and I will >be telling her about this conversatio n=2E So if any problems ever come up >in the local area that turn out poorl y for me, she will know what to >do=2E" > >Checkmate=2E End of BS=2E > >So Bill - the point of all this is that I know where you are coming >from, ho wever the FAA is required to provide services to any and all >legal users, and they CANNOT deny you services=2E They can delay you, >they can have you do several 360's, they can re sequence you as >necessary=2E But they CANN OT refuse you service or tell you to go away=2E >Or tell you that you canno t play with the Big Boys=2E It is their >responsibility to sequence you wit h faster traffic=2E That's why they get >the Big Bucks=2E But if they try a nd tell you "You don't fit: go away!" >Study the regs, hold their feet to t he fire, and (as we used to say in >South Georgia) "Be prepared to kick ass and take names!" > >Because the FAA does not back the tower controllers; t hey back the >regs=2E If the regs are on your side - you win=2E > >I unders tand why you did what you thought was appropriate=2E Good luck >and God Ble ss with your next build=2E > >-------- >Richard Pike >Kolb MKIII N420P (420 ldPoops) >Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal (Redoing the Firefly windshield) >Kin gsport, TN 3TN0 > >Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God 's grace really >is amazing=2E > > >Read this topic online here: > >htt p://forums=2Ematronics=2Ecom/viewtopic=2Ephp?p=485515#485515 > > r Lists This Month -- > the Contribution link below to find out more about errific Free Incentive Gifts provided y Pilot Store www=2Emypilotstore=2Ecom b Site: -Matt Dralle, List Admin=2E === atronics List Features Navigator to browse uch as List Un/Subscription, , Chat, FAQ, p://www=2Ematronics=2Ecom/Navigator?Kolb-List === t content also available via the Web Forums! 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