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1. 06:33 AM - Re: Fat Ultralight (Charlie England)
2. 06:44 AM - anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (13brv3)
3. 07:59 AM - Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (Rick Neilsen)
4. 10:48 AM - Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (13brv3)
5. 11:31 AM - Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (Bill Berle)
6. 11:42 AM - Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (Charlie England)
7. 02:16 PM - Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (13brv3)
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Subject: | Re: Fat Ultralight |
Hi Rick,
The FAA liberalized the E E rules a number of years ago, removing the 300nm
radius 'proficiency area' and home airport restrictions. The only practical
distinction from EAB now is that there's no 51% rule for EE (!!) and
there's no 'repairmans' certificate' for annual inspections, but that's
offset by the fact that there's no type certificate, so only an A&P ticket
is needed for annual signoffs (IA ticket not required).
Functionally, at the beginning of each year, you fax the FAA a list of all
the 'events' you (might) plan to attend during the year (compiled from
published calendars). All other flying is for 'proficiency', with only
EAB-style restrictions on where you fly (avoid densely populated areas,
etc).
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On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:32 PM Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com> wrote:
> The only option for registration open to you is Experimental Exhibition
> which is a lot more restrictive than Experimental Amateur Built. Unless
> the Kolb factory creates a Firestar II SLSA and sells a kit the way RV ha
s
> done with their model 12 there is no way you can register it as
> Experimental Light Sport. That ship sailed in 2008.
>
> Rick Girard
>
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:12 PM Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> No Firestar 2 will meet the Part 103 restrictions. Even the Firestar 1
>> will be very very difficult to do that with. If it was possible to build
a
>> Firestar that genuinely meets Part 103, Kolb would not have had any reas
on
>> to develop the Firefly.
>>
>> The FAA usually does NOTgo out looking to "bust" fat ultralights, they
>> really try to look the other way and not be bothered. BUT the minute one
of
>> them sees the second seat behind the pilot seat they are going to have t
o
>> do something. They can't look the other way with the number of seats lik
e
>> they can with just being "fat". With more than one seat they have to tre
at
>> it like there could be a passenger injured or killed, flying with an
>> un-licensed "pilot". They just cannot look the other way when thee
>> "ultralight" has room for a passenger.
>>
>> Bill Berle
>> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
>> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and
>> for-profit entities
>>
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>> On Wed, 1/2/19, Sptom <Tjweeks@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Kolb-List: Fat Ultralight
>> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Wednesday, January 2, 2019, 5:54 PM
>>
>> <Tjweeks@cox.net>
>>
>> I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m considering purchasing a
>> Firestar II with a 503. It doesn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t have an N
>> number. Owner tells me it qualifies for part 103 but
>> I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m doubtful even with the added weight allowanc
e for
>> a ballistic parachute. From what I understand it can
>> be registered as experimental light sport if I have
>> documentation by the manufacturer that it meets the 51
>> percent rule. Do I have that right? Is this
>> doable or is the airplane always going to be an illegal fat
>> ultralight? Thanks in advance for any advice you can
>> give.
>>
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Subject: | anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? |
Greetings,
With the rising hangar rent, and eventual hopes for retirement, I'm thinking of
trading my RV-3B in for another SlingShot. Kolb still seems to have the best
folding wing solution, and I prefer the SS to anything else they've made, so
it's a shame they stopped making them.
There's no real hurry, and I'd like to find a damaged or neglected airframe to
restore as a project. The fuselage cage is what I need the most, since the wings
and tail are detailed in the plans. If there were drawings for the fuselage
cage, it would be tempting to make that from scratch also, but there are no
details for the steel weldments.
If anyone happens to know of a cage laying around, let me know. Extra credit points
if it's near East TN :-)
Thanks,
Rusty
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Subject: | Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? |
Have you talked to Brian at Kolb? Are you sure Kolb wouldn't build you a SS.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 9:45 AM 13brv3 <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> With the rising hangar rent, and eventual hopes for retirement, I'm
> thinking of trading my RV-3B in for another SlingShot. Kolb still seems to
> have the best folding wing solution, and I prefer the SS to anything else
> they've made, so it's a shame they stopped making them.
>
> There's no real hurry, and I'd like to find a damaged or neglected
> airframe to restore as a project. The fuselage cage is what I need the
> most, since the wings and tail are detailed in the plans. If there were
> drawings for the fuselage cage, it would be tempting to make that from
> scratch also, but there are no details for the steel weldments.
>
> If anyone happens to know of a cage laying around, let me know. Extra
> credit points if it's near East TN :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486684#486684
>
>
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Subject: | Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? |
neilsenrm(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Have you talked to Brian at Kolb? Are you sure Kolb wouldn't build you a SS.
>
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC
>
>
>
Hi Rick,
I didn't specifically ask, but they did confirm that the plans don't show welding
details. I have read that they will sometimes produce out of production parts
at shop rates, but there were also comments that led me to believe that would
be considerably higher than what they used to cost. If that becomes my only
option, I'll ask, but I've got time to look around.
Thanks,
Rusty
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Subject: | Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? |
Rusty you will NEVER forgive yourself if you sell an RV-3. Trust me, I have never
forgiven myself :)
Bill Berle
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On Thu, 1/3/19, 13brv3 <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Subject: Kolb-List: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around?
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Date: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 6:43 AM
<13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
Greetings,
With the rising hangar rent, and
eventual hopes for retirement, I'm thinking of trading my
RV-3B in for another SlingShot. Kolb still seems to
have the best folding wing solution, and I prefer the SS to
anything else they've made, so it's a shame they stopped
making them.
There's no real hurry, and I'd like to
find a damaged or neglected airframe to restore as a
project. The fuselage cage is what I need the most,
since the wings and tail are detailed in the plans. If
there were drawings for the fuselage cage, it would be
tempting to make that from scratch also, but there are no
details for the steel weldments.
If anyone happens to know of a cage
laying around, let me know. Extra credit points if
it's near East TN :-)
Thanks,
Rusty
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Subject: | Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? |
HA!
If he forgave himself the 1st time....
Charlie
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 1:33 PM Bill Berle <victorbravo@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Rusty you will NEVER forgive yourself if you sell an RV-3. Trust me, I
> have never forgiven myself :)
>
> Bill Berle
> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
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> for-profit entities
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> --------------------------------------------
> On Thu, 1/3/19, 13brv3 <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around?
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 6:43 AM
>
> <13brv3c@bellsouth.net>
>
> Greetings,
>
> With the rising hangar rent, and
> eventual hopes for retirement, I'm thinking of trading my
> RV-3B in for another SlingShot. Kolb still seems to
> have the best folding wing solution, and I prefer the SS to
> anything else they've made, so it's a shame they stopped
> making them.
>
> There's no real hurry, and I'd like to
> find a damaged or neglected airframe to restore as a
> project. The fuselage cage is what I need the most,
> since the wings and tail are detailed in the plans. If
> there were drawings for the fuselage cage, it would be
> tempting to make that from scratch also, but there are no
> details for the steel weldments.
>
> If anyone happens to know of a cage
> laying around, let me know. Extra credit points if
> it's near East TN :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486684#486684
>
>
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Subject: | Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? |
ceengland7(at)gmail.com wrote:
> HA!
> If he forgave himself the 1st time....
>
>
> Charlie
LOL Probably best not to talk about all the dumb things I've done. It would take
up too much bandwidth :-)
Rusty
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