---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/03/19: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:33 AM - Re: Fat Ultralight (Charlie England) 2. 06:44 AM - anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (13brv3) 3. 07:59 AM - Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (Rick Neilsen) 4. 10:48 AM - Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (13brv3) 5. 11:31 AM - Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (Bill Berle) 6. 11:42 AM - Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (Charlie England) 7. 02:16 PM - Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? (13brv3) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:09 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fat Ultralight Hi Rick, The FAA liberalized the E E rules a number of years ago, removing the 300nm radius 'proficiency area' and home airport restrictions. The only practical distinction from EAB now is that there's no 51% rule for EE (!!) and there's no 'repairmans' certificate' for annual inspections, but that's offset by the fact that there's no type certificate, so only an A&P ticket is needed for annual signoffs (IA ticket not required). Functionally, at the beginning of each year, you fax the FAA a list of all the 'events' you (might) plan to attend during the year (compiled from published calendars). All other flying is for 'proficiency', with only EAB-style restrictions on where you fly (avoid densely populated areas, etc). Charlie Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 11:32 PM Richard Girard wrote: > The only option for registration open to you is Experimental Exhibition > which is a lot more restrictive than Experimental Amateur Built. Unless > the Kolb factory creates a Firestar II SLSA and sells a kit the way RV ha s > done with their model 12 there is no way you can register it as > Experimental Light Sport. That ship sailed in 2008. > > Rick Girard > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:12 PM Bill Berle > wrote: > >> >> No Firestar 2 will meet the Part 103 restrictions. Even the Firestar 1 >> will be very very difficult to do that with. If it was possible to build a >> Firestar that genuinely meets Part 103, Kolb would not have had any reas on >> to develop the Firefly. >> >> The FAA usually does NOTgo out looking to "bust" fat ultralights, they >> really try to look the other way and not be bothered. BUT the minute one of >> them sees the second seat behind the pilot seat they are going to have t o >> do something. They can't look the other way with the number of seats lik e >> they can with just being "fat". With more than one seat they have to tre at >> it like there could be a passenger injured or killed, flying with an >> un-licensed "pilot". They just cannot look the other way when thee >> "ultralight" has room for a passenger. >> >> Bill Berle >> www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft >> www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and >> for-profit entities >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Wed, 1/2/19, Sptom wrote: >> >> Subject: Kolb-List: Fat Ultralight >> To: kolb-list@matronics.com >> Date: Wednesday, January 2, 2019, 5:54 PM >> >> >> >> I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m considering purchasing a >> Firestar II with a 503. It doesn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t have an N >> number. Owner tells me it qualifies for part 103 but >> I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m doubtful even with the added weight allowanc e for >> a ballistic parachute. From what I understand it can >> be registered as experimental light sport if I have >> documentation by the manufacturer that it meets the 51 >> percent rule. Do I have that right? Is this >> doable or is the airplane always going to be an illegal fat >> ultralight? Thanks in advance for any advice you can >> give. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486671#486671 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Support Your Lists This Month -- >> (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) >> Fund Raiser. 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From: "13brv3" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Greetings, With the rising hangar rent, and eventual hopes for retirement, I'm thinking of trading my RV-3B in for another SlingShot. Kolb still seems to have the best folding wing solution, and I prefer the SS to anything else they've made, so it's a shame they stopped making them. There's no real hurry, and I'd like to find a damaged or neglected airframe to restore as a project. The fuselage cage is what I need the most, since the wings and tail are detailed in the plans. If there were drawings for the fuselage cage, it would be tempting to make that from scratch also, but there are no details for the steel weldments. If anyone happens to know of a cage laying around, let me know. Extra credit points if it's near East TN :-) Thanks, Rusty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486684#486684 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:16 AM PST US From: Rick Neilsen Subject: Re: Kolb-List: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? Have you talked to Brian at Kolb? Are you sure Kolb wouldn't build you a SS. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 9:45 AM 13brv3 <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > Greetings, > > With the rising hangar rent, and eventual hopes for retirement, I'm > thinking of trading my RV-3B in for another SlingShot. Kolb still seems to > have the best folding wing solution, and I prefer the SS to anything else > they've made, so it's a shame they stopped making them. > > There's no real hurry, and I'd like to find a damaged or neglected > airframe to restore as a project. The fuselage cage is what I need the > most, since the wings and tail are detailed in the plans. If there were > drawings for the fuselage cage, it would be tempting to make that from > scratch also, but there are no details for the steel weldments. > > If anyone happens to know of a cage laying around, let me know. Extra > credit points if it's near East TN :-) > > Thanks, > Rusty > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486684#486684 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:58 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? From: "13brv3" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> neilsenrm(at)gmail.com wrote: > Have you talked to Brian at Kolb? Are you sure Kolb wouldn't build you a SS. > > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC > > > Hi Rick, I didn't specifically ask, but they did confirm that the plans don't show welding details. I have read that they will sometimes produce out of production parts at shop rates, but there were also comments that led me to believe that would be considerably higher than what they used to cost. If that becomes my only option, I'll ask, but I've got time to look around. Thanks, Rusty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486689#486689 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:31:53 AM PST US From: Bill Berle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? Rusty you will NEVER forgive yourself if you sell an RV-3. Trust me, I have never forgiven myself :) Bill Berle www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/3/19, 13brv3 <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> wrote: Subject: Kolb-List: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? To: kolb-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 6:43 AM <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> Greetings, With the rising hangar rent, and eventual hopes for retirement, I'm thinking of trading my RV-3B in for another SlingShot. Kolb still seems to have the best folding wing solution, and I prefer the SS to anything else they've made, so it's a shame they stopped making them. There's no real hurry, and I'd like to find a damaged or neglected airframe to restore as a project. The fuselage cage is what I need the most, since the wings and tail are detailed in the plans. If there were drawings for the fuselage cage, it would be tempting to make that from scratch also, but there are no details for the steel weldments. If anyone happens to know of a cage laying around, let me know. Extra credit points if it's near East TN :-) Thanks, Rusty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486684#486684 Support Your Lists This Month -- (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) Fund Raiser. Click on to find out more about Incentive Gifts provided www.mypilotstore.com support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. The Kolb-List Email Forum - Navigator to browse List Un/Subscription, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - via the Web Forums! - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - Email List Wiki! - List Contribution Web Site - support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:42:44 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? HA! If he forgave himself the 1st time.... Charlie On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 1:33 PM Bill Berle wrote: > > Rusty you will NEVER forgive yourself if you sell an RV-3. Trust me, I > have never forgiven myself :) > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and > for-profit entities > > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 1/3/19, 13brv3 <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > Subject: Kolb-List: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, January 3, 2019, 6:43 AM > > <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> > > Greetings, > > With the rising hangar rent, and > eventual hopes for retirement, I'm thinking of trading my > RV-3B in for another SlingShot. Kolb still seems to > have the best folding wing solution, and I prefer the SS to > anything else they've made, so it's a shame they stopped > making them. > > There's no real hurry, and I'd like to > find a damaged or neglected airframe to restore as a > project. The fuselage cage is what I need the most, > since the wings and tail are detailed in the plans. If > there were drawings for the fuselage cage, it would be > tempting to make that from scratch also, but there are no > details for the steel weldments. > > If anyone happens to know of a cage > laying around, let me know. Extra credit points if > it's near East TN :-) > > Thanks, > Rusty > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=486684#486684 > > > Support Your Lists This Month -- > (And Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!) > Fund Raiser. Click on > to find out more about > Incentive Gifts provided > www.mypilotstore.com > support! > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > The Kolb-List Email Forum - > Navigator to browse > List Un/Subscription, > 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > via the Web Forums! > - NEW MATRONICS LIST WIKI - > Email List Wiki! > - List Contribution Web Site - > support! > > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:16:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: anyone know of a SlingShot frame laying around? From: "13brv3" <13brv3c@bellsouth.net> ceengland7(at)gmail.com wrote: > HA! > If he forgave himself the 1st time.... > > > Charlie LOL Probably best not to talk about all the dumb things I've done. 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