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1. 07:03 AM - Re: MK II Weight and Balance (Mark K)
2. 03:32 PM - pics of my third iteration of the Mtn bike brakes.. (Pfatchantz)
3. 03:44 PM - close up of my third build firefly... (Pfatchantz)
4. 03:44 PM - Re: MK II Weight and Balance (Richard Girard)
5. 03:59 PM - Re: close up of my third build firefly... (Stuart Harner)
6. 04:13 PM - Re: close up of my third build firefly... (Pfatchantz)
7. 04:19 PM - Re: close up of my third build firefly... (Richard Girard)
8. 04:30 PM - Re: close up of my third build firefly... (Pfatchantz)
9. 04:30 PM - Re: close up of my third build firefly... (Pfatchantz)
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| Subject: | Re: MK II Weight and Balance |
Richard, Thanks, I meant to type this information was "not" in my build manual
or on the plans. Much appreciated!
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Mark
Twinstar MKII
Great Bend, PA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487295#487295
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| Subject: | pics of my third iteration of the Mtn bike brakes.. |
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| Subject: | close up of my third build firefly... |
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| Subject: | Re: MK II Weight and Balance |
Can't speak to the Mk II specifically but the 25 to 35% is probably a nice
conservative range that will not catch you out. I've flown the Mk III at
1200 lb loading and cg calculated at 18%. I had 1/2" between the stick and
the seat frame tube. Not a lot of margin but she flew with fingertip
pressure and flared nicely. At that weight with horizontal stab gap seals
(stabilizer to boom tube) I put her into a stall and held her in it for
1000' using only rudder input to keep the wings level. When I released back
pressure she flew away. I've flown her at 40% at design weight (1000 lb)
with no problems, too. Stick pressures were light but not necessarily too
light. In both cases I was flying on a high pressure day with no
discernible convective activity. Turns were limited to 30 degrees bank. I
don't advocate flying at these CG extremes but for phase 1 testing only. My
personal limits are 20 to 35% for everyday flying. If you decide to test at
those or similar limits do so ONLY after you have some time in the airplane
and approach further limits gradually. I highly recommend horizontal
stabilizer seals to the boom tube. They really increase rudder authority.
If you're working toward a Sport Pilot ticket as well as rebuilding a Mk
II, please have a more experienced pilot do the first flights of your
airplane then give you some dual once it is out of phase 1.
Rick Girard
PS When doing measurements to calculate moment arms be sure the aircraft is
positioned properly. In general this is with horizontal stabilizer level.
If the Mk II has specific instructions in the plans use them. As you're
just learning weight and balance you might want to consider using a zero
point that is in front of the nose so that all measurements are positive.
Having to screw around with negative and positive arms can be tricky. Good
luck and have fun.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 8:54 AM Mark K <seanote@echoes.net> wrote:
>
> I did some searching on the list here and have not found what I am lookin
g
> for in regards to W&B for Kolbs in general, not to mention MKII. I may
> have missed it so pardon my re-asking.
> While going through my Light Sport ground school, we have been going over
> W&B extensively. So now that my rebuild is progressing I'm starting to
> think about my MKII W&B.
> As far as the weights, arms and moments I'm good with that. My big
> question is where is the center of lift/pressure? I've looked through th
e
> plans and build manual and am not seeing any reference.
> Per my understanding it is easy to determine the CG, it is determining if
> the CG falls within the acceptable envelope of % of wing cord that I'm no
t
> finding.
> Thanks in advance.
>
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> Mark
> Twinstar MKII
> Great Bend, PA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487226#487226
>
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| Subject: | close up of my third build firefly... |
Nice work Herb!
Too bad your pooches are starving so much they had to collapse right on
the taxiway. (don=99t make me come back down there to make sure
they are getting enough attention).
If I ever get back to flying your windshield idea my get a closer look.
Have fun!
Stuart
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pfatchantz
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:06 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: close up of my third build firefly...
this pic shows the full enclosure...it fastens with a inch by inch angle
to the top longeron on the left side and two rivets at 8 and 10 am on
the left side of the nose cone and the rear bow allow the right side to
lift completely up...The right angle aluminum is fastened to the lexan
and has a tapered screw at the front of the angle that slides into a
hole in the tab that holds the nose bowl...the rear of the angle has a
latch... To enter...just don a cap and raise the lexan and rest it on
your head.... Keeps the hair oil off of the lexan!! :-)
This bird got "factory built" raves from the kolb guys in the St.
Louis area...Very satisfying..guess if one does it enough...good things
can happen...kids in the other example....:-) Herb IMG_1115.JPG
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| Subject: | close up of my third build firefly... |
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| Subject: | Re: close up of my third build firefly... |
That is one pretty Kolb! The pups don't look like they're in need at all,
but if they're like mine a treat is always acceptable.
Rick
On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 6:03 PM Stuart Harner <stuart@harnerfarm.net> wrote
:
> Nice work Herb!
>
>
> Too bad your pooches are starving so much they had to collapse right on
> the taxiway. (don=99t make me come back down there to make sure the
y are
> getting enough attention).
>
>
> If I ever get back to flying your windshield idea my get a closer look.
>
>
> Have fun!
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> *From:* owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Pfatchantz
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2019 5:06 PM
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: close up of my third build firefly...
>
>
> this pic shows the full enclosure...it fastens with a inch by inch angle
> to the top longeron on the left side and two rivets at 8 and 10 am on the
> left side of the nose cone and the rear bow allow the right side to lift
> completely up...The right angle aluminum is fastened to the lexan and has
a
> tapered screw at the front of the angle that slides into a hole in the ta
b
> that holds the nose bowl...the rear of the angle has a latch... To
> enter...just don a cap and raise the lexan and rest it on your head....
> Keeps the hair oil off of the lexan!! :-)
>
> This bird got "factory built" raves from the kolb guys in the St. Loui
s
> area...Very satisfying..guess if one does it enough...good things can
> happen...kids in the other example....:-) Herb [image: IMG_1115.JPG]
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com> Secure Email.
>
>
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=9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D
Groucho Marx
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
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