---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/02/19: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:37 AM - Re: Long Distance Trailering (Rick Neilsen) 2. 10:53 AM - Re: Long Distance Trailering (Charlie England) 3. 10:54 AM - Re: Long Distance Trailering (Pfatchantz) 4. 11:16 AM - Re: Long Distance Trailering (John Hauck) 5. 11:47 AM - Re: Long Distance Trailering (Robert Laird) 6. 01:52 PM - Re: Long Distance Trailering (George Alexander) 7. 05:53 PM - Re: Long Distance Trailering (Rex Rodebush) 8. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Long Distance Trailering (Herb) 9. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: Long Distance Trailering (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:48 AM PST US From: Rick Neilsen Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Long Distance Trailering Bill Over the years I have haled my MKIII over 6,000 miles with no damage. I bought a long single axle boat trailer and fully enclosed it. The key is a lightly sprung transport. Most trucks and trailers long enough to transport a Kolb are designed to carry a heavy load and are going to bounce your Kolb around way too much. I left my wings attached but supported them at the universal joint and at the tips. Good luck Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 2:41 AM Bill Berle wrote: > > Hi Kolbers, > > My Kolb Firestar is being sold to a person in another part of the country > over 1000 miles away from here, and we are going to arrange for it to be > shipped to him by freight truck or trailer. I want to make sure that it > arrives undamaged. > > One of the big questions I have is whether it is better to put it in the > truck or t railer with the wings attached to the U-joint, or whether it is > better to remove the wings entirely and mount or hang them in the truck > separate from the fuselage. > > This is not going to be a 100 or 200 mile trip. Also, neither the buyer or > seller will be doing the driving. So neither of us will be there to check > on it during the trip. > > When I look at the U-joint attaching the wings to the fuselage, It looks > to bevery strongly built, however I also understand that it may not have > been intended to take ROAD vibrations and loads. The U-joint can certainly > take 2 or 3 times the load and dofce that any Kolb will ever see in > flight... BUT... tens of thousands of small up and down vibrations may not > be something that this U-joint was designed for. > > I would welcome the opinions of Kolbers who have lots of experience (good > or bad) with trailering or trucking their Kolb. Has anyone experienced > damage or wear on the U-Joint due to ground transport? > > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and > for-profit entities > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Long Distance Trailering From: Charlie England I transported a Kolb Mk1 from central FL to MS on an open trailer built to haul a Thorp T-18. Light weight springs, like Rick describes. It was a 'project' plane, but we re-attached the wings at the pivot point for transport. We did not use the aft tube attach points; instead used a cradle under the wings' leading edges back there. IIRC, I just strapped the axles directly to a 2x4 (no wheels/tires on the axles). The only damage was to the 30 year old wing fabric, from some of the strapping flapping in the 'breeze'. I'm pretty sure the only reason for the fabric damage is that it was ready to come off anyway, and would have failed a punch test. Charlie On 2/2/2019 12:35 PM, Rick Neilsen wrote: > Bill > > Over the years I have haled my MKIII over 6,000 miles with no damage. > I bought a long single axle boat trailer and fully enclosed it. The > key is a lightly sprung transport. Most trucks and trailers long > enough to transport a Kolb are designed to carry a heavy load and are > going to bounce your Kolb around way too much. I left my wings > attached but supported them at the universal joint and at the tips. > > Good luck > > Rick Neilsen > Redrive VW powered MKIIIC > > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 2:41 AM Bill Berle > wrote: > > > > > Hi Kolbers, > > My Kolb Firestar is being sold to a person in another part of the > country over 1000 miles away from here, and we are going to > arrange for it to be shipped to him by freight truck or trailer. I > want to make sure that it arrives undamaged. > > One of the big questions I have is whether it is better to put it > in the truck or t railer with the wings attached to the U-joint, > or whether it is better to remove the wings entirely and mount or > hang them in the truck separate from the fuselage. > > This is not going to be a 100 or 200 mile trip. Also, neither the > buyer or seller will be doing the driving. So neither of us will > be there to check on it during the trip. > > When I look at the U-joint attaching the wings to the fuselage, It > looks to bevery strongly built, however I also understand that it > may not have been intended to take ROAD vibrations and loads. The > U-joint can certainly take 2 or 3 times the load and dofce that > any Kolb will ever see in flight... BUT... tens of thousands of > small up and down vibrations may not be something that this > U-joint was designed for. > > I would welcome the opinions of Kolbers who have lots of > experience (good or bad) with trailering or trucking their Kolb. > Has anyone experienced damage or wear on the U-Joint due to ground > transport? > > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & > performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning > proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities > > > ========== > -List" rel="noreferrer" > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 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He never got in a hurry and was very gentle and respectful of his aircraft on the ground. I never forgot that, however, I didn't always taxi like he did. He also designed another model, but I can't remember the name of it. He and his wife, Ellen, were good friends I met at the Ultralight Flight Farm the first time I flew my Firestar up there in 1988. Ellen was a WASP during WWII and also a flight instructor. Burt lived and had a grass strip and hanger in Maryland, NY. I flew up there in 1989, spent a week with them, flew all the New England states in a day, a long day, from his airstrip. From there flew to the Ultralight Flight Farm, Niagara Falls, Sault St Marie, Canada, and Oshkosh. I trailered my MKIII from Muncho Lake, British Columbia, to Oshkosh, and south to Alabama in 2000. For that trip I had a borrowed enclosed trailer, strapped the wings to the walls, supported the tail boom in a cradle. Only problem was dust from many sections of road that were gravel and under repair. New Lexan had to be replaced. Back then it was not that much of a job. Now days it is impossible. john h mkIII Titus, Alabama ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:19 AM PST US From: Robert Laird Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Long Distance Trailering I transported my Kolb via enclosed trailer from California to Texas. I would definitely remove the wings and suspend them with straps from the ceiling of the trailer, and then protect them as best you can from any type of rubbing (from the straps and from the trailer). I also had a cushioned boom tube cradle. On Sat, Feb 2, 2019, 1:43 AM Bill Berle > Hi Kolbers, > > My Kolb Firestar is being sold to a person in another part of the country > over 1000 miles away from here, and we are going to arrange for it to be > shipped to him by freight truck or trailer. I want to make sure that it > arrives undamaged. > > One of the big questions I have is whether it is better to put it in the > truck or t railer with the wings attached to the U-joint, or whether it is > better to remove the wings entirely and mount or hang them in the truck > separate from the fuselage. > > This is not going to be a 100 or 200 mile trip. Also, neither the buyer or > seller will be doing the driving. So neither of us will be there to check > on it during the trip. > > When I look at the U-joint attaching the wings to the fuselage, It looks > to bevery strongly built, however I also understand that it may not have > been intended to take ROAD vibrations and loads. The U-joint can certainly > take 2 or 3 times the load and dofce that any Kolb will ever see in > flight... BUT... tens of thousands of small up and down vibrations may not > be something that this U-joint was designed for. > > I would welcome the opinions of Kolbers who have lots of experience (good > or bad) with trailering or trucking their Kolb. Has anyone experienced > damage or wear on the U-Joint due to ground transport? > > > Bill Berle > www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft > www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and > for-profit entities > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Long Distance Trailering From: "George Alexander" victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote: > Hi Kolbers, > > My Kolb Firestar is being sold to a person in another part of the country over 1000 miles away from here, and we are going to arrange for it to be shipped to him by freight truck or trailer. I want to make sure that it arrives undamaged. > > . . S . N . I . P. . . > > Bill Berle > > . . S . N . I . P. . . > > The "Trailering a Kolb" section on my web site has a lot of information and a wide variety of solutions concerning this subject. http://oh2fly.net/Main_trailer_kolb.htm -------- George Alexander FS II R503 E-LSA N709FS http://www.oh2fly.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487394#487394 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:01 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Long Distance Trailering From: "Rex Rodebush" I would consider renting a U-Haul and having either the buyer or seller transport it. Using a commercial freight hauler is asking for trouble in my opinion. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487399#487399 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Long Distance Trailering From: Herb there are web sites where one can hire independent haulers....sometimes, just guys with a Dodge diesel truck and a 25 foot enclosed trailer... My experience with one of them was not good....He claimed to the buyer that He had hauled planes before....When we started to load...I could see he had no idea...!! Get some references...Herb ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Long Distance Trailering From: Charlie England I have no personal experience with these guys, but they transport a lot of Van's Aircraft quickbuild kits, without crating. https://freefreightsearch.com/brokers/14306-partain-trading-company-inc-dba-partain-transport-company One thread on the Van's Airforce forum: http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=94007&highlight=partain+transport Charlie On 2/2/2019 8:04 PM, Herb wrote: > > there are web sites where one can hire independent > haulers....sometimes, just guys with a Dodge diesel truck and a 25 > foot enclosed trailer... > > My experience with one of them was not good....He claimed to the > buyer that He had hauled planes before....When we started to load...I > could see he had no idea...!! 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