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1. 04:46 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/10/19 (Ted Cowan)
2. 07:49 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/10/19 (13brv3)
3. 03:31 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (13brv3)
4. 03:44 PM - Back-Up Battery (Nick Cassara)
5. 05:43 PM - Re: Back-Up Battery (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/10/19 |
Jab vs 912 is no contest! Even with rads and WD prop, the 912 will run the pants
off a jab on a slingshot. I have a 912 on mine and I wouldn't trade it. Been
flying it for ten years. Started with 582. What a difference. I cruise
at 95+ with 4 gph with full camping gear. If you set it up right (change angle
of engine mounts) it is light on stick. Like driving a Beemer. Will send pics
if needed. My two cents. Ted Cowan slingshot 912 ul zoom zoom
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> 1. 05:19 AM - Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (13brv3)
> 2. 01:15 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (Malcolm
Brubaker)
> 3. 03:30 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (13brv3)
> 4. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (B Young)
> 5. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (Pfatchantz)
> 6. 04:31 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (Richard
Girard)
> 7. 04:33 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (13brv3)
> 8. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (Gary
Aman)
> 9. 07:30 PM - Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? (13brv3)
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> ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:19:08 AM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
> From: "13brv3" <13brv3@gmail.com>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> While considering engines for the latest Slingshot project, I ran across the
Jabiru
> 2200 engines. I know Thom had one on a Slingshot, and he seemed happy with
> the performance. I've heard of a few on Mk-3s as well. Is anyone still flying
> with a Jabiru? Has anyone flown with the Jabiru 2200 and some other engine
> on the same plane for comparison? I'd love to see some additional installation
> pictures, particularly how the exhaust was routed.
>
> FWIW, I'm currently looking at the HKS, Jabiru 2200, and 912. All of these have
> some pros and cons.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487506#487506
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:15:10 PM PST US
> From: Malcolm Brubaker <brubakermal@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
>
> the HKS is only about as powerful as the rotax 503=C2- the jabiru would b
> e a nice fit for your kolb=C2-
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 8:23 AM, 13brv3<13brv3@gmail.com> wrote: --> Ko
> lb-List message posted by: "13brv3" <13brv3@gmail.com>
>
> Greetings,
>
> While considering engines for the latest Slingshot project, I ran across th
> e Jabiru 2200 engines.=C2- I know Thom had one on a Slingshot, and he see
> med happy with the performance.=C2- I've heard of a few on Mk-3s as well.
> =C2- Is anyone still flying with a Jabiru?=C2- Has anyone flown with th
> e Jabiru 2200 and some other engine on the same plane for comparison?=C2-
> I'd love to see some additional installation pictures, particularly how th
> e exhaust was routed.=C2-
>
> FWIW, I'm currently looking at the HKS, Jabiru 2200, and 912.=C2- All of
> these have some pros and cons.=C2-
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487506#487506
>
>
> S -
> WIKI -
> -
> =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 03:30:04 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
> From: "13brv3" <13brv3@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> brubakermal(at)yahoo.com wrote:
>> the HKS is only about as powerful as the rotax 503 the jabiru would be a nice
> fit for your kolb
>
>
> The Jabiru 2200 checks all the boxes for me, but I haven't seen many for sale
used,
> and new isn't an option for any of these engines. The only real installation
> issue is that the wings won't fold with the standard pusher exhaust config,
> but I have to believe that can be fixed. Otherwise it's a clean installation,
> with reportedly good performance despite being direct drive. The other bonus
> is that the US Jabiru dealer is only about 3 hrs west of me if needed.
>
> The HKS appeal is that it's the lightest, most compact 4-stroke option, as well
> as being the quietest with the 3.47 gears, and probably the most fuel efficient.
> My old 503 SS performance wasn't all that bad, but I was young, and feeling
> the need for speed. Now that I'm getting old, and have proven repeatedly that
> I won't travel in the plane, I could probably be happier with the lower performance.
>
>
> Of course the 912 is hands down the most popular option, but they're pricey,
heavy,
> noisy, and require water and oil coolers. The years have taught me to go
> with the flow a bit more than I used to, but I hate to be too conventional :-)
>
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487510#487510
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:51:25 PM PST US
> From: B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
>
> For me the problem with the jabiru is the direct drive. You'll need a
> shorter prop, which is ok if your plane was designed to fly faster. Say
> 125 mph or so. The faster turning shorter prop becomes more efficient at
> higher speeds. The kolbs need a longer slower turning prop too get the
> most out of the engine horse power.
>
> Boyd
>
>
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:00:22 PM PST US
> From: Pfatchantz <Pfatchantz@protonmail.ch>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
>
>
> Might do some checking about the cooling of the Jab...I have chatted with tractor
> and pusher builders and some have mentioned cooling difficulties...Herb
>
>
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> Original Message
>> On Sunday, February 10, 2019 5:29 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> brubakermal(at)yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> the HKS is only about as powerful as the rotax 503 the jabiru would be a nice
> fit for your kolb
>>
>> The Jabiru 2200 checks all the boxes for me, but I haven't seen many for sale
> used, and new isn't an option for any of these engines. The only real installation
> issue is that the wings won't fold with the standard pusher exhaust config,
> but I have to believe that can be fixed. Otherwise it's a clean installation,
> with reportedly good performance despite being direct drive. The other bonus
> is that the US Jabiru dealer is only about 3 hrs west of me if needed.
>>
>> The HKS appeal is that it's the lightest, most compact 4-stroke option, as well
> as being the quietest with the 3.47 gears, and probably the most fuel efficient.
> My old 503 SS performance wasn't all that bad, but I was young, and feeling
> the need for speed. Now that I'm getting old, and have proven repeatedly that
> I won't travel in the plane, I could probably be happier with the lower performance.
>>
>> Of course the 912 is hands down the most popular option, but they're pricey,
> heavy, noisy, and require water and oil coolers. The years have taught me to
go
> with the flow a bit more than I used to, but I hate to be too conventional :-)
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487510#487510
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:31:10 PM PST US
> From: Richard Girard <aslsa.rng@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
>
> Boyd, For what it's worth I've been working on a friend's Zenith 701 with a
> 2200A Jabby and a two blade Sensenich prop. I set the prop for 3120 RPM
> static at which it pulls 310 lb. as measured with a digital force gauge. My
> concern on a Kolb would be the need for a light weight prop. The Sensenich
> is built similar to the Power Fin, i.e. light and hollow and won't tolerate
> FOD like a Warp Drive will.
>
> Rick
>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 5:53 PM B Young <byoungplumbing@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For me the problem with the jabiru is the direct drive. You'll need a
>> shorter prop, which is ok if your plane was designed to fly faster. Say
>> 125 mph or so. The faster turning shorter prop becomes more efficient a
> t
>> higher speeds. The kolbs need a longer slower turning prop too get the
>> most out of the engine horse power.
>>
>> Boyd
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> --
> =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D
> Groucho Marx
> <http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/43244.Groucho_Marx>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:33:13 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
> From: "13brv3" <13brv3@gmail.com>
>
>
> There's precious little data available for Jabiru equipped Kolbs, but I've been
> exchanging emails with Thom, who owned a Jabiru 2200 Slingshot. He was definitely
> a fan, and it sounds like it had plenty of performance with the 64" prop
> he was running. Cooling shrouds are a must, but I wouldn't expect any air cooled
> engine to have optimum cooling without them.
>
> I've actually been trying to buy an HKS that was up for sale, at a price that
would
> make it worth trying. It doesn't look like that's going to work out though,
> which may be for the best.
>
> Rusty
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487513#487513
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:20:11 PM PST US
> From: Gary Aman <zeprep251@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
>
>
> Have a MK 3C with 2200 Jabiru 1100 hrs ,unusual cooling configuration, no heat
> problems. Cruise 70mph 2700rpm Sen wood prop 4264 I think, 3150 rpm takeoff.
Have
> some Picts I could e mail.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 10, 2019, at 7:33 PM, 13brv3 <13brv3@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> There's precious little data available for Jabiru equipped Kolbs, but I've been
> exchanging emails with Thom, who owned a Jabiru 2200 Slingshot. He was definitely
> a fan, and it sounds like it had plenty of performance with the 64" prop
> he was running. Cooling shrouds are a must, but I wouldn't expect any air
> cooled engine to have optimum cooling without them.
>>
>> I've actually been trying to buy an HKS that was up for sale, at a price that
> would make it worth trying. It doesn't look like that's going to work out though,
> which may be for the best.
>>
>> Rusty
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487513#487513
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:30:43 PM PST US
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments?
> From: "13brv3" <13brv3@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> zeprep251(at)aol.com wrote:
>> Have a MK 3C with 2200 Jabiru 1100 hrs ,unusual cooling configuration, no heat
> problems. Cruise 70mph 2700rpm Sen wood prop 4264 I think, 3150 rpm takeoff.
> Have some Picts I could e mail.
>
>
> That's good to hear. I'd love to see any installation pictures you have.
>
> Thanks,
> Rusty
> 13brv3@gmail.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=487516#487516
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/10/19 |
tc1917(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> Jab vs 912 is no contest! Even with rads and WD prop, the 912 will run the
pants off a jab on a slingshot. I have a 912 on mine and I wouldn't trade it.
Been flying it for ten years. Started with 582. What a difference. I cruise
at 95+ with 4 gph with full camping gear. If you set it up right (change angle
of engine mounts) it is light on stick. Like driving a Beemer. Will send
pics if needed. My two cents. Ted Cowan slingshot 912 ul zoom zoom
>
Thanks for the comments Ted. The 912 is a great engine for sure, and if one comes
along that seems to be a good deal, I'll grab it. I have a few takeoffs and
landings in a 912S SS, and lots of pictures of the installation.
Regardless of the engine used, it seems the rear of the engine needs to be raised
on the SS. Even my old 503 had nearly an inch spacer under the rear mounts
when I was done with it. As it turns out, the mount was removed on the cage
I have, and I'll be restoring it. I'll likely build in a bit more angle when
I do.
Thanks,
Rusty
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru 2200 installation and flight comments? |
Thanks for the comments, but fate was working overtime today. I ended up talking
with a local pilot, and he mentioned having a 912UL he was planning to sell.
Turns out it's a great engine, at a great price, and less than an hour from
my house. In a few days, I should be the lucky owner of a 912. Now I need
to work on selling my RV-3B so I don't have to sell a kidney or two to pay for
this :-)
Cheers,
Rusty
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Kolbers,
I am considering a Battery back up system, and wondering if anyone has experience
with TCW Technologies?
Thanks,
Nick Cassara
Palmer, Alaska 99645
607AK
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| Subject: | Re: Back-Up Battery |
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| Subject: | Re: Back-Up Battery |
Good advice; that is the ultimate source for electrical info.
Having said that, quite a few RV-x drivers use them.
Having said *that*, do you mind telling us how you'll be using it
(beyond the obvious 'backup')? There may be less expensive alternatives.
Charlie
On 2/11/2019 7:42 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> Nick, Try the Aeroelectric Connection also on Matronics.
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 5:45 PM Nick Cassara <nickc@mtaonline.net
> <mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:nickc@mtaonline.net>>
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I am considering a Battery back up system, and wondering if anyone
> has experience with TCW Technologies?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cassara
> Palmer, Alaska 99645
>
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