---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/09/20: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:02 PM - Re: crash (Richard Girard) 2. 07:11 PM - Re: crash (John Fitt) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:46 PM PST US From: Richard Girard Subject: Re: Kolb-List: crash John, take a look at the gear on John Hauck's Mk III. Yes it takes some major mods to do it, but it can be done. The other way you might consider is the Grove style bent aluminum gear. That would be much easier to install. Rick On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:46 PM John Fitt wrote: > I had a bad landing ( FS ll ) that resulted in a broken boom tube at the > same place shown in the photo- > The H-section ends where the break is. Maybe the H-section could be > longer...but I would expect that the boom would still be destroyed, just > further aft. > I also had damage to the fuselage sleeve that accepts the gear leg. > Any design ideas for a J-3 type of bungee shock absorber? Fuselage would > really need reviewing. > John Fitt > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 7, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Larry Cottrell > wrote: > > I am not a Crash expert, although I have managed to do so three times so > far, but this looks to me like what would result from a stall. Notice how > much the nose is crumpled and the plane is in a "lawn Dart" position. The > broken boom tube is quite a ways past where the prop would strike, plus t he > prop is still on the plane, so I doubt that the prop was involved in the > accident at all, perhaps other than running at the time. The original > picture shows the runway about 2-3 hundred yards behind the plane. > > However it is perhaps foolish to second guess anyone much less this poor > guy. > > I once stalled about 50 feet above my runway trying to master slow flight .. > I looked away for a second and the plane dropped nose down, as I watched my > ASI go past 30 MPH the wrong direction. I was in a steep angle descent wh en > I punched the throttle full forward. It of course took a looong time to > spool up, but I managed to get it into a close to level attitude before > impact but I still hit one gear leg hard enough to break off the axle of my > right gear leg, and bury the gear leg all the way up to the bottom of the > cage. I blame the VG's for my survival. > > Larry > > -- =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:45 PM PST US From: John Fitt Subject: Re: Kolb-List: crash Well... I got the bent aluminum gear alright. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2020, at 5:00 PM, Richard Girard wrote: > > John, take a look at the gear on John Hauck's Mk III. Yes it takes some m ajor mods to do it, but it can be done. The other way you might consider is the Grove style bent aluminum gear. That would be much easier to install. > > Rick > >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:46 PM John Fitt wrote: >> I had a bad landing ( FS ll ) that resulted in a broken boom tube at the s ame place shown in the photo- >> The H-section ends where the break is. Maybe the H-section could be longe r...but I would expect that the boom would still be destroyed, just further a ft. >> I also had damage to the fuselage sleeve that accepts the gear leg. >> Any design ideas for a J-3 type of bungee shock absorber? Fuselage would r eally need reviewing. >> John Fitt >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Larry Cottrell wro te: >>> >>> I am not a Crash expert, although I have managed to do so three times so far, but this looks to me like what would result from a stall. Notice how m uch the nose is crumpled and the plane is in a "lawn Dart" position. The bro ken boom tube is quite a ways past where the prop would strike, plus the pro p is still on the plane, so I doubt that the prop was involved in the accide nt at all, perhaps other than running at the time. The original picture show s the runway about 2-3 hundred yards behind the plane. >>> >>> However it is perhaps foolish to second guess anyone much less this poor guy. >>> >>> I once stalled about 50 feet above my runway trying to master slow fligh t. I looked away for a second and the plane dropped nose down, as I watched m y ASI go past 30 MPH the wrong direction. I was in a steep angle descent whe n I punched the throttle full forward. It of course took a looong time to sp ool up, but I managed to get it into a close to level attitude before impact but I still hit one gear leg hard enough to break off the axle of my right g ear leg, and bury the gear leg all the way up to the bottom of the cage. I b lame the VG's for my survival. >>> >>> Larry > > > -- > =9CBlessed are the cracked, for they shall let in the light.=9D Groucho Marx > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.