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1. 06:24 AM - Original Firestar (Edward Bonsell)
2. 09:02 AM - Re: Original Firestar (william sullivan)
3. 10:05 AM - Re: Original Firestar (Pfatchantz)
4. 11:33 AM - Re: Original Firestar (Quintin Hergt)
5. 02:48 PM - Re: Original Firestar ()
6. 04:27 PM - Re: Original Firestar (Charlie England)
7. 05:23 PM - Re: Original Firestar (roger trombley)
8. 06:48 PM - Re: Original Firestar (Richard Pike)
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Subject: | Original Firestar |
Hi All,
I built my original Firestar in 1986 and 87. I flew it until the year 2000
when it was damaged in a fire. Not too bad, but at the time I was too busy
to repair it and lately I just haven't had the gumption. I'm thinking about
getting around to doing something. Has anyone been playing around with the
new covering material that is easier to apply and 20% lighter?
Thanks,
Ed
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Subject: | Re: Original Firestar |
I think Richard Pike was doing something, and I recall somebody painting w
ith latex house paint diluted with antifreeze. Maybe check Richard's site,
for a start.
Bill Sullivan
Tarboro, NC
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 09:24:08 AM EST, Edward Bonsell <smedle
y945@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I built my original Firestar in 1986 and 87. I flew it until the year 2000
when it was damaged in a fire. Not too bad, but at the time I was too busy
to repair it and lately I just haven't had the gumption. I'm thinking about
getting around to doing something. Has anyone been playing around with the
new covering material=C2-that is easier to apply and 20% lighter?
Thanks,
Ed
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Subject: | Re: Original Firestar |
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Subject: | Re: Original Firestar |
A friend of mine did a bunch of research on this. http://www.bowersflyba
by.com/tech/latex.html
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com <owner-kolb-list-server@matronic
s.com> on behalf of william sullivan <williamtsullivan@att.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:02:25 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Original Firestar
I think Richard Pike was doing something, and I recall somebody painting wi
th latex house paint diluted with antifreeze. Maybe check Richard's site, f
or a start.
Bill Sullivan
Tarboro, NC
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 09:24:08 AM EST, Edward Bonsell <smedley945@
gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I built my original Firestar in 1986 and 87. I flew it until the year 2000
when it was damaged in a fire. Not too bad, but at the time I was too busy
to repair it and lately I just haven't had the gumption. I'm thinking about
getting around to doing something. Has anyone been playing around with the
new covering material that is easier to apply and 20% lighter?
Thanks,
Ed
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Subject: | Original Firestar |
I just read the full article "Painting a Fly Baby w Latex house paint"..
and there were two things that caught my attention, or concern.
Armor-All has silicone and a few other chemicals that are super
problematic when it comes to spray painting, and a major cause of orange
peel. I cannot imagine putting that on aircraft fabric, and worse, if it
needs to be repaired later.
He also mentioned washing rags, and I'd assume drying them in the normal
laundry equipment. Dryer sheets and fabric softeners are known to also
have silicones.. and to leave their residue in the the washer and dryer. I
would be super hesitant to use either one of those products anywhere near a
important paint job.
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Subject: | Re: Original Firestar |
On 1/14/2021 4:50 PM, 1957grnchev@bluemarble.net wrote:
>
> I just read the full article "Painting a Fly Baby w Latex house paint"..
> and there were two things that caught my attention, or concern.
>
> Armor-All has silicone and a few other chemicals that are super
> problematic when it comes to spray painting, and a major cause of orange
> peel. I cannot imagine putting that on aircraft fabric, and worse, if it
> needs to be repaired later.
>
> He also mentioned washing rags, and I'd assume drying them in the normal
> laundry equipment. Dryer sheets and fabric softeners are known to also
> have silicones.. and to leave their residue in the the washer and dryer. I
> would be super hesitant to use either one of those products anywhere near a
> important paint job.
There are easier ways to 'go latex'. Try reading through
http://wienerdogaero.com/Latex.php
I followed his processes on a Twinstar (but with minimal sanding and
zero final polishing), and it came out looking every bit as good as
fabric finished with 'traditional' finishes.
He presents in the forums at OSH each year.
Charlie
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Subject: | Re: Original Firestar |
Interesting.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 12:06 PM, william sullivan <williamtsullivan
@att.net> wrote:
I think Richard Pike was doing something, and I recall somebody painting w
ith latex house paint diluted with antifreeze. Maybe check Richard's site,
for a start.
Bill Sullivan
Tarboro, NC
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 09:24:08 AM EST, Edward Bonsell <smedle
y945@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I built my original Firestar in 1986 and 87. I flew it until the year 2000
when it was damaged in a fire. Not too bad, but at the time I was too busy
to repair it and lately I just haven't had the gumption. I'm thinking about
getting around to doing something. Has anyone been playing around with the
new covering material=C2-that is easier to apply and 20% lighter?
Thanks,
Ed
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Subject: | Re: Original Firestar |
Latex painting airplanes: one easy, one a pain in the butt, and a War Story.
First time I did it was back in the late 80's, I had a Maxair Hummer that the sails
were about to go bad, modified the wing so that it had a lightweight but
sort of conventional rib structure and covered it with lightweight (glider) dacron
from Aircraft Spruce. Don't know if they still sell that weight or not.
Attached it in the usual way with Stits Poly-Tak. Sprayed all the fabric with Sears
Weather Beater Black latex paint, thinned with water enough to spray well
and penetrate to both sides of the fabric, as that it how you make it stick,
it has to be thin enough to be on both sides of the Dacron. Used a regular Sears
quart pressure pot sprayer that I had used over the years to paint cars with
lacquer, etc, don't remember how much PSI, whatever it took to make it spray
right.
The parts I wanted to be yellow, I went back over & sprayed white, and then again
with the yellow. It went pretty well, the weight was about 8 pounds heavier
than with the original slip on sails and tube ribs, and it was dirt cheap. I
think I had $300 in it, it looked good and worked fine.
One thing you have to careful of; the Hummer's wings folded together, you had to
be careful not to hang them up touching, or the latex on one wing would bond
to the latex on the other and it would pull off.
The second airplane was Ed's FSII, & for whatever reason the latex we were using
(don't remember the brand) did not want to cooperate with the Stits fabric.
Thinning with water wasn't doing quite right, tried using windshield washer fluid
- so/so, nothing worked really great. Maybe the paint brand?
We got some ex-tend (I think it was called) from the dealer as the preferred thinner/
drying time extender, and eventually we got it looking really great, but
for whatever reason, it was a terrible hassle. One thing I remember was that
we sprayed it with a HVLP sprayer, don't know if that helped or hurt.
Now on a totally different and unrelated topic ~ AKA War Story
Eventually I sold the Hummer , it got sold again, and again, and then ended up
belonging to a guy on the coast of NC. When I sold it, it was registered and
had an Airworthiness Certificate, but it probably could have been made to make
Part 103, seems like it weighed about 162 pounds if I remember right. It still
had all the original U/L structure in it.
The guy on the coast modified it; took off the 277 & replaced it with a 503, and
added a second seat. The wings & tail were unmodified, that was how I first
recognized it in the video.
I about had a cow. The fool had created a death trap, and was flying his family
and friends around in it.
Original gross weight was under 600 pounds, and VNE was 65 mph.
The wings had 1 3/4" leading edge tubes, 1 1/2" trailing edge tubes, no internal
drag/anti drag bracing, just flying/landing wires attached at the wing compression
struts, two per side. No way there was proper structure to support what
he was doing with it, and I knew he had not modified it or beefed it up, because
the paint job was unmolested.
I found it one night on Youtube, he had a bunch of videos, one of which showed
him taking off with a large passenger, the camera was pointing at the passenger
from over the pilots shoulder, and during the climbout, the fabric in the first
rib bay split fore and aft. Front spar to rear spar. The passenger looked
like "Is it supposed to do this?" The flight continued on for several minutes.
The next day I called Southern Region FSDO and told the man what I had seen, and
suggested that they might want to look into it. Never heard back from him, but
about a week later, all the videos of my old airplane were off YouTube...
I'm all for minding my own business, but when some idiot modifies an airplane that
I built in such a way that it is guaranteed to kill some innocent passenger,
and give "ultralights/homebuilts" a black eye; naw - that don't work for me.
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Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kolb Firefly Part 103 legal
Kingsport, TN 3TN0
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