---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 03/23/21: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:24 AM - Re: Kolb factory question and serial numbers (Richard Pike) 2. 07:00 AM - Firestar wingchord (sticky) 3. 08:43 AM - Re: Firestar wingchord (Jay Dub) 4. 08:52 AM - Re: Kolb factory question and serial numbers (Jay Dub) 5. 08:56 AM - Re: Kolb factory question and serial numbers (william sullivan) 6. 09:02 AM - Re: Kolb factory question and serial numbers (Charlie England) 7. 09:26 AM - Re: Kolb factory question and serial numbers (Jay Dub) 8. 11:45 AM - Re: Kolb MK3 Extra kit for sale (prhutson) 9. 04:01 PM - Re: Kolb factory question and serial numbers (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb factory question and serial numbers From: "Richard Pike" On my MKIII it is stamped into the end plate at the rear of the upper fuselage tube just below the rear motor mounts. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501062#501062 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar wingchord From: "sticky" Can someone tell me what the wing chord of a Kolb Firestar is at the root (not aileron section)? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501063#501063 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:46 AM PST US From: Jay Dub Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar wingchord For the wing alone I have a chord of 51". Jay Sent:Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:00 AM From:"sticky" To:kolb-list@matronics.com Subject:Kolb-List: Firestar wingchord Can someone tell me what the wing chord of a Kolb Firestar is at the root (not aileron section)? Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501063#501063 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:02 AM PST US From: Jay Dub Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb factory question and serial numbers I had read (I believe in the builders manual) that what is stamped in that end plate is a cage number and it is NOT a serial number. The manual says to get in touch with Kolb for the serial number and that is what I am trying to do. Perhaps, when Kolb went to the guys in KY they use the cage number as a SN? I'm not sure. The manual I have is from 2014 but it still shows all the phone numbers and email addresses from the Kolb guys in PA so this type of info is not clear if things changed when the KY guys took over. Jay Sent:Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 7:24 AM From:"Richard Pike" To:kolb-list@matronics.com Subject:Kolb-List: Re: Kolb factory question and serial numbers On my MKIII it is stamped into the end plate at the rear of the upper fuselage tube just below the rear motor mounts. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501062#501062 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:34 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb factory question and serial numbers The cage number is the serial number. On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 11:52:09 AM EDT, Jay Dub wrote: I had read (I believe in the builders manual) that what is stamped in that end plate is a cage number and it is NOT a serial number.=C2- The manual says to get in touch with Kolb for the serial number and that is what I am trying to do.=C2- Perhaps, when Kolb went to the guys in KY they use the cage number as a SN?=C2- I'm not sure.=C2- The manual I have is from 20 14 but it still shows all the phone numbers and email addresses from the Ko lb guys in PA so this type of info is not clear if things changed when the KY guys took over. =C2- Jay =C2- Sent:=C2-Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 7:24 AM From:=C2-"Richard Pike" To:=C2-kolb-list@matronics.com Subject:=C2-Kolb-List: Re: Kolb factory question and serial numbers On my MKIII it is stamped into the end plate at the rear of the upper fusel age tube just below the rear motor mounts. -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501062#501062 =C2- S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb factory question and serial numbers From: Charlie England On 3/22/2021 10:25 PM, Jay Dub wrote: > > Past: So a few weeks ago I bought a partially completedFirestar II kit 1 and 2 in SW Ohio that was delivered late 2014/early 2015 from Kolb. I had asked on this listearlier about transporting and I did get it with a minivan and a wooden roof rack that held the boom tube, completed wings and ailerons. I had no damage even though I travelled over 1200 miles with it. The weather was perfect with no precip and only sunshine. Everything fit with a lot of room to spare inside the van even with the cage, nose pod, tail feathers, etc. It worked well. The extra drag took my mileage from 25 to 14 mpg and I had to keep the van under 65mph or the transmission kept shifting in and out of OD. > > The seller and I both filled out the FAA Form 8050-2 Aircraft Bill of Sale but crossed out the word "aircraft" and printed in "kit" as I had read in some instructions. However, the seller didn't have a serial number and there isn't anything on the paperwork/Invoice from Kolb so we left it blank. I did email customersupport@kolbaircraft.com as shown the Kolb website2 weeks ago asking for a SN and never heard anything back. I then emailed support@kolbaircraft.com (was listed in the builders manual)and that came back as a bad address. I remember seeing on this list they weren't answering the phone much these days and that they preferred email so I didn't call. Does anyone know if the address ofcustomersupport@kolbaircraft.com is any good? Is there a better email address? > > Currently: I'm in the process of reading the builders manual and looking over the plans. I've inspected some of the tail feathers and need to inspect the wings to see if I want to re-do anything but so far all looks good. I hope to get things put back together to get it on it's gear, get the wings and tail feathers fitted and rigged so I can start the covering. Saturday I just finished the overhaul ofa 447 I had laying around from a partial Firestar II I bought last yearthatI plan to use on this kit I just picked up. > > Any advice on getting a serial number? > > Thanks, > Jay Are you concerned about proving to the FAA that you actually own the kit, and making sure that it can be registered as a homebuilt experimental, or are you just wondering about what serial number to use? If you're just wondering what serial number to use on the registration itself, you can use whatever you want. If you're the builder of record (you finish a *never FAA registered* kit), your name will be shown as manufacturer and the serial number will be whatever you put on the application. Charlie -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:58 AM PST US From: Jay Dub Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb factory question and serial numbers Hi Charlie, >From past experience with a friend registering a partially built kit that he finished, the FAA wanted the original factory invoice/bill of sale for the original purchaser and the form 8050-2 Bill of sale from that original owner to him showing the chain of custody. If there were multiple owners, there had to be an 8050-2 for each previous owner. It is for this reason I want the serial number to properly reflect that chain of custody so when I finish the plane and try to get the paperwork finished, everything is proper and in order. I knew I read about the cage number so I just leafed through and found on page 71 of the Firestar builder's manual it says "Call Kolb Aircraft Inc for your serial number. Your serial number will be FS (for Firestar) followed with a 3 digit number, example FS-123. The number on the rear of the engine mount tube is the cage number - not the serial number." Jay Sent:Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:04 AM From:"Charlie England" To:kolb-list@matronics.com Subject:Re: Kolb-List: Kolb factory question and serial numbers Are you concerned about proving to the FAA that you actually own the kit, and making sure that it can be registered as a homebuilt experimental, or are you just wondering about what serial number to use? If you're just wondering what serial number to use on the registration itself, you can use whatever you want. If you're the builder of record (you finish a *never FAA registered* kit), your name will be shown as manufacturer and the serial number will be whatever you put on the application. Charlie -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MK3 Extra kit for sale From: "prhutson" Darren, why the one-seater? I am grappling with Firestar vs MkIII Xtra, but my wife was not keen on flying in my former C182, and I think the view from a Kolb would freak her out. I'm thinking MK3Xtra just for my size (6'3" and 230 lbs). Paul -------- Paul Hutson Middleton, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=501074#501074 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb factory question and serial numbers From: "Richard Pike" Look at it this way; whatever the number is, the FAA has been happy with it since 1995, it's on all my paperwork, and I think I can live with it. May you be as fortunate, regardless of the number you use! -------- Richard Pike Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Kingsport, TN 3TN0 Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing. 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