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Mikr ,Thanks for the resopnce , your eperence has been about the same as mi
ne ,I flew for 10 years but it was befor the "sport pilots " came into being
! Iwas just wondering if the FAA had changed its attude sense te Sport pilo
t , and aircraf
----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 10:12:56 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firefly
Chris,
It's been my experience, and pretty much most everyone else's, evidently, t
hat IF you LOOK
like a legal ultralight (single seat, 5 gal., ~254 lbs.) the FAA just about d
oesn't care.
They do care if you buzz the White House, interfear with legal FAA traffic
, drop stuff onto
people down below, piss off some airport manager...and he reports you and de
mands blood.
It's only when you call extreme attention (negatively) to yourself that you w
ould likely bring their
wrath down upon you.
It almost sad, but the "ultralight" is of so little concern to most FAA em
ployees, that I'd bet
few of them know exactly the rules and parameters of a true Part 103 Ultrali
ght, without
having to look it up. I've heard several times the comment....."If it looks
like an ultralight,
then it IS an ultralight."
Now, don't misinterpret my words to say a fat (15+lbs or more) ultralight i
s okay. I'm not
sugggesting we ignor the rules. I'm only suggesting that if your UL is a co
uple pounds over,
and you NEVER do anything wrong, you'd probably have virtually nothing to wo
rry about.
Let's face it, it's easy for the FAA guys to hang around the FSDO and drink c
offee and eat donuts,
than it is to go out sweatin' about some pour little pilot wannabe and his t
oy (their attitude NOT mine).
That's my take on the subject. Of course, there can always be an exceptio
n.
(Keep in mind everyone has different experiences with how and where their U
L's are flown. I'm
used to litlle podunk airports, that lead to other little podunk airport, an
d grassy fields, etc. Some
may have an entirely different exposure. FWIW...don't worry...be happy!!)
Mike Welch
MkIII CX
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From: capedavis@yahoo.com
Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly
Listers , As you might know I am building a Firefly and asked about the 447 a
nd dual ignition. Now I have another question. Any listers out there that ar
e flying a Firefly and have been overhauled or ramp checked by the FAA ? I k
now that TNK has gone a long way to be sure the firefly fits into Pt. 103 bu
t I wonder what happens in an FAA ramp check? And if anyone has had one did y
ou pass? Thank you Chris
Firestar KXP 503 sc
490 hrs
building a Firefly ?? 447
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Kolbers does anyone have a firefly and the time to give me a measurement I need
to know what a firefly measures between the inside wing ribs you see my knew
shop or at least my shop doesnt allow me to mount the wings inside the shop and
its about a days work to take it outside and Im designing a rack to mount my
soft pack parachute on after I put it together would one of you give me the inside
measurements side to side and fore and aft where the chute will mount thank
you Chris
Sent from my iPhone
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It's been some years since the following was said by genuine FAA reps at
a Safety Seminar. Apologies to those on here who have heard it before.
And he says:
If your plane LOOKS like a Eipper, but it's made out of lead pipe (and
still flies?).. we don't care.
If your fuel tank numbers go to 10.. the 'correct answer' is, "It's
calibrated in liters".
... and we're CERTAINLY not going to get into your ultra-light and fly
it at WOT to know how fast it will go!!
But.. if it has two seats.. YOU ARE FLYING AN ILLEGAL AIRCRAFT.. without
registration, without a pilots license, w/o a current annual inspection,
without bi-annual flight reviews, (etc, etc).
They had just had 3 "ultra-light" crashes, with 5 fatalities, and one
survivor. So, even 15 lbs over may not matter? Keeping out of
regulated air-space? A buddy of mine, noticed a bunch of police traffic
while he was flying his.. like LOTS of them, sirens and lights on. And
then he realized, they were following him. He had flown well within the
5 mile radius once too often, and a National Guard chopper reported him.
Luckily no fines (as I recall).. but he did learn his lesson.
On 2021-06-07 2:12 pm, chris davis wrote:
>
> Mikr ,Thanks for the resopnce , your eperence has been about the same
> as mine ,I flew for 10 years but it was befor the "sport pilots " came
> into being ! Iwas just wondering if the FAA had changed its attude
> sense te Sport pilot , and aircraf
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 10:12:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Firefly
>
>
> Chris,
>
> It's been my experience, and pretty much most everyone else's,
> evidently, that IF you LOOK
> like a legal ultralight (single seat, 5 gal., ~254 lbs.) the FAA just
> about doesn't care.
>
> They do care if you buzz the White House, interfear with legal FAA
> traffic, drop stuff onto
> people down below, piss off some airport manager...and he reports you
> and demands blood.
> It's only when you call extreme attention (negatively) to yourself
> that you would likely bring their
> wrath down upon you.
>
> It almost sad, but the "ultralight" is of so little concern to most
> FAA employees, that I'd bet
> few of them know exactly the rules and parameters of a true Part 103
> Ultralight, without
> having to look it up. I've heard several times the comment....."If it
> looks like an ultralight,
> then it IS an ultralight."
>
> Now, don't misinterpret my words to say a fat (15+lbs or more)
> ultralight is okay. I'm not
> sugggesting we ignor the rules. I'm only suggesting that if your UL
> is a couple pounds over,
> and you NEVER do anything wrong, you'd probably have virtually nothing
> to worry about.
> Let's face it, it's easy for the FAA guys to hang around the FSDO and
> drink coffee and eat donuts,
> than it is to go out sweatin' about some pour little pilot wannabe and
> his toy (their attitude NOT mine).
>
> That's my take on the subject. Of course, there can always be an
> exception.
>
> (Keep in mind everyone has different experiences with how and where
> their UL's are flown. I'm
> used to litlle podunk airports, that lead to other little podunk
> airport, and grassy fields, etc. Some
> may have an entirely different exposure. FWIW...don't worry...be
> happy!!)
>
> Mike Welch
> MkIII CX
>
> ________________________________
>
> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 05:22:12 -0700
> From: capedavis@yahoo.com
> Subject: Kolb-List: Firefly
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
> Listers , As you might know I am building a Firefly and asked about
> the 447 and dual ignition. Now I have another question. Any listers
> out there that are flying a Firefly and have been overhauled or ramp
> checked by the FAA ? I know that TNK has gone a long way to be sure
> the firefly fits into Pt. 103 but I wonder what happens in an FAA ramp
> check? And if anyone has had one did you pass? Thank you Chris
>
> Firestar KXP 503 sc
>
> 490 hrs
>
> building a Firefly ?? 447
>
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