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2. 10:37 AM - Re: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD (Ernie Martinez)
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4. 10:47 AM - Re: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD (Ernie Martinez)
5. 04:49 PM - Re: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD (Jon Boede)
6. 04:57 PM - Re: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD (Vance Cochrane)
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| Subject: | LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD |
--> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
Guys,
I got the skinny on this from JD. So the bottom line is, if you have the
type rating, and are a current CFI w/ appropriate category & class ratings,
then you can teach in the aircraft and recommend candidates.
Vance
--
------ Forwarded Message
> From: J.D.Martin@faa.gov
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:03:28 -0500
> To: "Vance Cochrane" <vec@ecochrane.com>
> Subject: Re: LOOA Conversion?
>
>
>
>
>
> Vance,
>
> If you hold a current and appropriate (asel, amel, insta) CFI and have the
> L29/L39 shown on your pilot certificate that is all you need to instruct in
> those aircraft. Of course I am expecting that you know you need to meet
> all other part 61 requirements. Your CFI if current takes the place of your
> LOOA's.
>
> Suggestion, if I were you I would stop listening to most of the stuff that
> is floating around. A lot of pilots really don't know what they are
> talking about and are creating more problems with their advice.
>
> JD
>
>
>
> "Vance Cochrane"
> <vec@ecochrane.com> To: J D Martin/AGL/FAA@FAA
> cc:
> Subject: LOOA Conversion?
> 05/17/2004 06:03
> PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> JD,
> I have a question regarding the status of my LOOA's. I have heard a bunch
> of
> different things some of which conflict and I want to get it straight.
> Since
> I am a CFII/ATP and I happen to have LOOA's in L29/39 aircraft, is there
> anything special I need to do to instruct and recommend candidates in those
> aircraft?
> Thanks,
> Vance
> ---
> Vance Cochrane Voice: (415) 412-3062
> President Email: vec@ecochrane.com
> Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364
> PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD |
--> L29-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Vance,
Would you mind if I posted this thread on the CJAA site. This is just
more Sutton ammo.
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vance Cochrane
Subject: L29-List: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD
--> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
Guys,
I got the skinny on this from JD. So the bottom line is, if you have the
type rating, and are a current CFI w/ appropriate category & class
ratings,
then you can teach in the aircraft and recommend candidates.
Vance
--
------ Forwarded Message
> From: J.D.Martin@faa.gov
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:03:28 -0500
> To: "Vance Cochrane" <vec@ecochrane.com>
> Subject: Re: LOOA Conversion?
>
>
>
>
>
> Vance,
>
> If you hold a current and appropriate (asel, amel, insta) CFI and have
the
> L29/L39 shown on your pilot certificate that is all you need to
instruct in
> those aircraft. Of course I am expecting that you know you need to
meet
> all other part 61 requirements. Your CFI if current takes the place of
your
> LOOA's.
>
> Suggestion, if I were you I would stop listening to most of the stuff
that
> is floating around. A lot of pilots really don't know what they are
> talking about and are creating more problems with their advice.
>
> JD
>
>
>
> "Vance Cochrane"
> <vec@ecochrane.com> To: J D
Martin/AGL/FAA@FAA
> cc:
> Subject: LOOA
Conversion?
> 05/17/2004 06:03
> PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> JD,
> I have a question regarding the status of my LOOA's. I have heard a
bunch
> of
> different things some of which conflict and I want to get it straight.
> Since
> I am a CFII/ATP and I happen to have LOOA's in L29/39 aircraft, is
there
> anything special I need to do to instruct and recommend candidates in
those
> aircraft?
> Thanks,
> Vance
> ---
> Vance Cochrane Voice: (415) 412-3062
> President Email:
vec@ecochrane.com
> Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364
> PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD |
--> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
Ernie,
That's fine with me. I don't mind stirring the pot. BTW: I live right next
to Oracle's hq.
Vance
--
Vance Cochrane Email: vec@ecochrane.com
President Voice: (415) 412-3062
Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364
PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
> From: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
> Reply-To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:34:01 -0400
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: L29-List: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> Vance,
>
> Would you mind if I posted this thread on the CJAA site. This is just
> more Sutton ammo.
>
> Ernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vance Cochrane
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: L29-List: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
>
> Guys,
> I got the skinny on this from JD. So the bottom line is, if you have the
> type rating, and are a current CFI w/ appropriate category & class
> ratings,
> then you can teach in the aircraft and recommend candidates.
> Vance
> --
> ------ Forwarded Message
>> From: J.D.Martin@faa.gov
>> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:03:28 -0500
>> To: "Vance Cochrane" <vec@ecochrane.com>
>> Subject: Re: LOOA Conversion?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Vance,
>>
>> If you hold a current and appropriate (asel, amel, insta) CFI and have
> the
>> L29/L39 shown on your pilot certificate that is all you need to
> instruct in
>> those aircraft. Of course I am expecting that you know you need to
> meet
>> all other part 61 requirements. Your CFI if current takes the place of
> your
>> LOOA's.
>>
>> Suggestion, if I were you I would stop listening to most of the stuff
> that
>> is floating around. A lot of pilots really don't know what they are
>> talking about and are creating more problems with their advice.
>>
>> JD
>>
>>
>>
>> "Vance Cochrane"
>> <vec@ecochrane.com> To: J D
> Martin/AGL/FAA@FAA
>> cc:
>> Subject: LOOA
> Conversion?
>> 05/17/2004 06:03
>> PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JD,
>> I have a question regarding the status of my LOOA's. I have heard a
> bunch
>> of
>> different things some of which conflict and I want to get it straight.
>> Since
>> I am a CFII/ATP and I happen to have LOOA's in L29/39 aircraft, is
> there
>> anything special I need to do to instruct and recommend candidates in
> those
>> aircraft?
>> Thanks,
>> Vance
>> ---
>> Vance Cochrane Voice: (415) 412-3062
>> President Email:
> vec@ecochrane.com
>> Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364
>> PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD |
--> L29-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Hey Vance,
I just noticed your address in Belmont. We should hook up whenever I fly
out to HQ. I work for Oracle.
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vance Cochrane
Subject: L29-List: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD
--> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
Guys,
I got the skinny on this from JD. So the bottom line is, if you have the
type rating, and are a current CFI w/ appropriate category & class
ratings,
then you can teach in the aircraft and recommend candidates.
Vance
--
------ Forwarded Message
> From: J.D.Martin@faa.gov
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:03:28 -0500
> To: "Vance Cochrane" <vec@ecochrane.com>
> Subject: Re: LOOA Conversion?
>
>
>
>
>
> Vance,
>
> If you hold a current and appropriate (asel, amel, insta) CFI and have
the
> L29/L39 shown on your pilot certificate that is all you need to
instruct in
> those aircraft. Of course I am expecting that you know you need to
meet
> all other part 61 requirements. Your CFI if current takes the place of
your
> LOOA's.
>
> Suggestion, if I were you I would stop listening to most of the stuff
that
> is floating around. A lot of pilots really don't know what they are
> talking about and are creating more problems with their advice.
>
> JD
>
>
>
> "Vance Cochrane"
> <vec@ecochrane.com> To: J D
Martin/AGL/FAA@FAA
> cc:
> Subject: LOOA
Conversion?
> 05/17/2004 06:03
> PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> JD,
> I have a question regarding the status of my LOOA's. I have heard a
bunch
> of
> different things some of which conflict and I want to get it straight.
> Since
> I am a CFII/ATP and I happen to have LOOA's in L29/39 aircraft, is
there
> anything special I need to do to instruct and recommend candidates in
those
> aircraft?
> Thanks,
> Vance
> ---
> Vance Cochrane Voice: (415) 412-3062
> President Email:
vec@ecochrane.com
> Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364
> PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD |
--> L29-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Zach said that there was some supposed problem with the fact that a 500
hour CFI could instruct in jets and that was considered a "flaw" in the
fabric of the ETR system by the FAA.
On the other hand, the guys instructing in eastern europe in these planes
have less time than that, but let's not drag logic into it.
You sure?
Jon
> --> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
>
> Ernie,
> That's fine with me. I don't mind stirring the pot. BTW: I live right next
> to Oracle's hq.
> Vance
> --
> Vance Cochrane Email: vec@ecochrane.com
> President Voice: (415) 412-3062
> Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364
> PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
>
>> From: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>> Reply-To: l29-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:34:01 -0400
>> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RE: L29-List: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD
>>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
>> <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>>
>> Vance,
>>
>> Would you mind if I posted this thread on the CJAA site. This is just
>> more Sutton ammo.
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vance Cochrane
>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: L29-List: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD
>>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
>>
>> Guys,
>> I got the skinny on this from JD. So the bottom line is, if you have the
>> type rating, and are a current CFI w/ appropriate category & class
>> ratings,
>> then you can teach in the aircraft and recommend candidates.
>> Vance
>> --
>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>> From: J.D.Martin@faa.gov
>>> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:03:28 -0500
>>> To: "Vance Cochrane" <vec@ecochrane.com>
>>> Subject: Re: LOOA Conversion?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Vance,
>>>
>>> If you hold a current and appropriate (asel, amel, insta) CFI and have
>> the
>>> L29/L39 shown on your pilot certificate that is all you need to
>> instruct in
>>> those aircraft. Of course I am expecting that you know you need to
>> meet
>>> all other part 61 requirements. Your CFI if current takes the place of
>> your
>>> LOOA's.
>>>
>>> Suggestion, if I were you I would stop listening to most of the stuff
>> that
>>> is floating around. A lot of pilots really don't know what they are
>>> talking about and are creating more problems with their advice.
>>>
>>> JD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Vance Cochrane"
>>> <vec@ecochrane.com> To: J D
>> Martin/AGL/FAA@FAA
>>> cc:
>>> Subject: LOOA
>> Conversion?
>>> 05/17/2004 06:03
>>> PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JD,
>>> I have a question regarding the status of my LOOA's. I have heard a
>> bunch
>>> of
>>> different things some of which conflict and I want to get it straight.
>>> Since
>>> I am a CFII/ATP and I happen to have LOOA's in L29/39 aircraft, is
>> there
>>> anything special I need to do to instruct and recommend candidates in
>> those
>>> aircraft?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vance
>>> ---
>>> Vance Cochrane Voice: (415) 412-3062
>>> President Email:
>> vec@ecochrane.com
>>> Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364
>>> PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ------ End of Forwarded Message
>>
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>> ==
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD |
--> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
Yes I'm sure. I got it directly from JD Martin and yes, you are correct a
500 hr CFI, as long as they have the type rating & appropriate ratings, can
teach in that type of aircraft. Would I want to learn from a nugget like
that? No, but there you have it.
--
Vance Cochrane Email: vec@ecochrane.com
President Voice: (415) 412-3062
Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364
PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
> From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
> Reply-To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:49:10 -0500 (CDT)
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> Zach said that there was some supposed problem with the fact that a 500
> hour CFI could instruct in jets and that was considered a "flaw" in the
> fabric of the ETR system by the FAA.
>
> On the other hand, the guys instructing in eastern europe in these planes
> have less time than that, but let's not drag logic into it.
>
> You sure?
>
> Jon
>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
>>
>> Ernie,
>> That's fine with me. I don't mind stirring the pot. BTW: I live right next
>> to Oracle's hq.
>> Vance
>> --
>> Vance Cochrane Email: vec@ecochrane.com
>> President Voice: (415) 412-3062
>> Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364
>> PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
>>
>>> From: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>>> Reply-To: l29-list@matronics.com
>>> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 13:34:01 -0400
>>> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: RE: L29-List: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD
>>>
>>> --> L29-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
>>> <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>>>
>>> Vance,
>>>
>>> Would you mind if I posted this thread on the CJAA site. This is just
>>> more Sutton ammo.
>>>
>>> Ernie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vance Cochrane
>>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: L29-List: LOOA Conversion questions answered by JD
>>>
>>> --> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>> I got the skinny on this from JD. So the bottom line is, if you have the
>>> type rating, and are a current CFI w/ appropriate category & class
>>> ratings,
>>> then you can teach in the aircraft and recommend candidates.
>>> Vance
>>> --
>>> ------ Forwarded Message
>>>> From: J.D.Martin@faa.gov
>>>> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 11:03:28 -0500
>>>> To: "Vance Cochrane" <vec@ecochrane.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: LOOA Conversion?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vance,
>>>>
>>>> If you hold a current and appropriate (asel, amel, insta) CFI and have
>>> the
>>>> L29/L39 shown on your pilot certificate that is all you need to
>>> instruct in
>>>> those aircraft. Of course I am expecting that you know you need to
>>> meet
>>>> all other part 61 requirements. Your CFI if current takes the place of
>>> your
>>>> LOOA's.
>>>>
>>>> Suggestion, if I were you I would stop listening to most of the stuff
>>> that
>>>> is floating around. A lot of pilots really don't know what they are
>>>> talking about and are creating more problems with their advice.
>>>>
>>>> JD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Vance Cochrane"
>>>> <vec@ecochrane.com> To: J D
>>> Martin/AGL/FAA@FAA
>>>> cc:
>>>> Subject: LOOA
>>> Conversion?
>>>> 05/17/2004 06:03
>>>> PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JD,
>>>> I have a question regarding the status of my LOOA's. I have heard a
>>> bunch
>>>> of
>>>> different things some of which conflict and I want to get it straight.
>>>> Since
>>>> I am a CFII/ATP and I happen to have LOOA's in L29/39 aircraft, is
>>> there
>>>> anything special I need to do to instruct and recommend candidates in
>>> those
>>>> aircraft?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Vance
>>>> ---
>>>> Vance Cochrane Voice: (415) 412-3062
>>>> President Email:
>>> vec@ecochrane.com
>>>> Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364
>>>> PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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