---------------------------------------------------------- L29-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/15/05: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: (Bill Geipel) 2. 05:54 AM - (Bill Geipel) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 4. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: (Vance Cochrane) 5. 06:42 AM - Re: (no subject) (CNCOBRA1@aol.com) 6. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: (Ernest Martinez) 7. 08:13 AM - (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 8. 08:14 AM - He's like a damn cancer (Ernest Martinez) 9. 08:25 AM - Re: He's like a damn cancer (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 10. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: (Bill Geipel) 11. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: (no subject) (Bill Geipel) 12. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: (no subject) (CNCOBRA1@aol.com) 13. 09:38 AM - Re: Re: (no subject) (Bill Geipel) 14. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: (Bill Geipel) 15. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: (Ernest Martinez) 16. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: (Ernest Martinez) 17. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: (Bill Geipel) 18. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: (Gary Cole) 19. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 20. 10:17 AM - Re: Re: (Bill Geipel) 21. 10:23 AM - (Bill Geipel) 22. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: (Gary Cole) 23. 12:10 PM - Re: (no subject) (CNCOBRA1@aol.com) 24. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: (no subject) (Bill Geipel) 25. 11:53 PM - Ground Equipment (SD737@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:31 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel Only 2 guesses from all you jet jocks, I'm disappointed. The x-wind limit is 23kts. However the military put a 15kt limit on single pilot ops. Because if you were single pilot, you were probably a student pilot. When cruising along and you enter the traffic pattern, if the flaps won't extend, the stabilizer won't trim. In the landing flap configuration, the stab leading edge has a lower AOA. This results in some extra elevator authority as it is now sticking up higher. With no flaps, the stab. is at a higher AOA. The elevator does not have as much authority so you need extra speed to compensate. The answer to the brake question; Brake pressure gauge indicates pressure applied when retracted. No hydraulic pressure is indicated. ??? So your back seater lands the airplane. He stops it on the runway and then says, "You have the aircraft". You, in the front seat then proceed to taxi into the grass because you can't turn the airplane. Is this Normal or Not. ???You get a "FIRE" light during cruise. What is the first thing you should do. Ernie knows this so he can't play. So why do we leave the Engine switch on after shut down? (3rd switch top row.) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:53 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel 1.16 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject": l29-list@matronics.com --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel Noell, Send me the hours and other info on your jet. Plus how much$$ czech6@earthlink.net ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:25 AM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Answer to question 2 and 3 When you get engine fire light , (first) slowly reduce throttle. You may have burned a hole in tail pipe and with a reduction, light should go out. Then you can quickly land at closest field using reduced power, rather than shutting engine off and using ext. Engine switch stays on after shut down to allow lubrication to engine components. because fuel pump continues to run. while engine spools down Robert E. Schwartz President THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST Commercial Real Estate Services 2406 East Pleasant Street Davenport, Iowa USA 52803 Tel: (563) 322-2228 Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600 Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net This information is intended for the use of individual named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the content of this information is strictly prohibited. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Geipel" Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: > --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel > > Only 2 guesses from all you jet jocks, I'm disappointed. > > The x-wind limit is 23kts. However the military put a 15kt limit on single > pilot ops. Because if you were single pilot, you were probably a student > pilot. > > > When cruising along and you enter the traffic pattern, if the flaps won't > extend, the stabilizer won't trim. In the landing flap configuration, the > stab leading edge has a lower AOA. This results in some extra elevator > authority as it is now sticking up higher. With no flaps, the stab. is at > a higher AOA. The elevator does not have as much authority so you need > extra speed to compensate. > > > The answer to the brake question; Brake pressure gauge indicates pressure > applied when retracted. No hydraulic pressure is indicated. > > > ??? So your back seater lands the airplane. He stops it on the runway and > then says, "You have the aircraft". You, in the front seat then proceed to > taxi into the grass because you can't turn the airplane. > > Is this Normal or Not. > > ???You get a "FIRE" light during cruise. What is the first thing you > should do. > > Ernie knows this so he can't play. > > > So why do we leave the Engine switch on after shut down? (3rd switch top > row.) > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: From: Vance Cochrane --> L29-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane During throttle reduction, turn and look behind you. If you have a fire, you will see a trail of smoke. -- Vance Cochrane Email: vec@ecochrane.com President Voice: (415) 412-3062 Cochrane Consulting, Inc. Fax: (415) 651-9364 PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002 Web: http://www.ecochrane.com > From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ > Reply-To: "l29-list@matronics.com" > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:59:00 -0600 > To: > Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: > > --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" > > > Answer to question 2 and 3 > > When you get engine fire light , (first) slowly reduce throttle. You may > have burned a hole in tail pipe and with a reduction, light should go out. > Then you can quickly land at closest field using reduced power, rather than > shutting engine off and using ext. > > Engine switch stays on after shut down to allow lubrication to engine > components. because fuel pump continues to run. while engine spools down > > > Robert E. Schwartz > President > THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST > Commercial Real Estate Services > 2406 East Pleasant Street > Davenport, Iowa USA 52803 > Tel: (563) 322-2228 Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600 > Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net > > This information is intended for the use of individual named above. If you > are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, > copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the > content of this information is strictly prohibited. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Geipel" > To: > Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: > > >> --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel >> >> Only 2 guesses from all you jet jocks, I'm disappointed. >> >> The x-wind limit is 23kts. However the military put a 15kt limit on single >> pilot ops. Because if you were single pilot, you were probably a student >> pilot. >> >> >> When cruising along and you enter the traffic pattern, if the flaps won't >> extend, the stabilizer won't trim. In the landing flap configuration, the >> stab leading edge has a lower AOA. This results in some extra elevator >> authority as it is now sticking up higher. With no flaps, the stab. is at >> a higher AOA. The elevator does not have as much authority so you need >> extra speed to compensate. >> >> >> The answer to the brake question; Brake pressure gauge indicates pressure >> applied when retracted. No hydraulic pressure is indicated. >> >> >> ??? So your back seater lands the airplane. He stops it on the runway and >> then says, "You have the aircraft". You, in the front seat then proceed to >> taxi into the grass because you can't turn the airplane. >> >> Is this Normal or Not. >> >> ???You get a "FIRE" light during cruise. What is the first thing you >> should do. >> >> Ernie knows this so he can't play. >> >> >> So why do we leave the Engine switch on after shut down? (3rd switch top >> row.) >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:33 AM PST US From: CNCOBRA1@aol.com Subject: L29-List: Re: (no subject) --> L29-List message posted by: CNCOBRA1@aol.com I have a full spec sheet on my L-29. I will mail it to you. I cannot find a fax number for you. As you can probably imagine I have a lot more in it than I can get for it. With all the radios in it I would want $150,000.00. If I took the Garmin 430 and the HSI out I would get $125,000 or so. I would be open to an offer. Do let me know your opinion? Thanks Noell ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:18 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez You taxied into the grass cause the back seater had failed your brakes. Ernie On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:41:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Bill Geipel wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel > > Only 2 guesses from all you jet jocks, I'm disappointed. > > The x-wind limit is 23kts. However the military put a 15kt limit on single pilot ops. Because if you were single pilot, you were probably a student pilot. > > When cruising along and you enter the traffic pattern, if the flaps won't extend, the stabilizer won't trim. In the landing flap configuration, the stab leading edge has a lower AOA. This results in some extra elevator authority as it is now sticking up higher. With no flaps, the stab. is at a higher AOA. The elevator does not have as much authority so you need extra speed to compensate. > > The answer to the brake question; Brake pressure gauge indicates pressure applied when retracted. No hydraulic pressure is indicated. > > ??? So your back seater lands the airplane. He stops it on the runway and then says, "You have the aircraft". You, in the front seat then proceed to taxi into the grass because you can't turn the airplane. > > Is this Normal or Not. > > ???You get a "FIRE" light during cruise. What is the first thing you should do. > > Ernie knows this so he can't play. > > So why do we leave the Engine switch on after shut down? (3rd switch top row.) > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:10 AM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: L29-List: 1.16 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" I am trying to buy 2 anti collision lights for my L29. These are made by Goodrich Hellas Aerospace, Oldsmar , Florida. . (Type 2LA002760-00 ) Does anyone know who to go through for best price. they are very special small strobes that mount on top and bottom of fuselage and are used by Czech Air force on L29, L139 and Mig and are very expensive. Second question. There is a complete pitot static check service box used for L29 and L39. It is about 12 x 12 in size. I want to get one and I need a part number. Probably a KV number????? Robert E. Schwartz Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:48 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: L29-List: He's like a damn cancer --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez Now Sutton has infected the Yak-List. The idiot is now lurking on there to lure unsuspecting victims into his so called non-profit org. Man I just get no relief. Ernie ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:06 AM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: Re: L29-List: He's like a damn cancer --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Ernie, be nice glad im not at CJAA to see the details Robert E. Schwartz President THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST Commercial Real Estate Services 2406 East Pleasant Street Davenport, Iowa USA 52803 Tel: (563) 322-2228 Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600 Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net This information is intended for the use of individual named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the content of this information is strictly prohibited. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: L29-List: He's like a damn cancer > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez > > Now Sutton has infected the Yak-List. The idiot is now lurking on > there to lure unsuspecting victims into his so called non-profit org. > > Man I just get no relief. > > Ernie > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:10 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel Hurray for Vance! Turn and look to see if really burning, if not Schwartz has right answer. "Duct Leak" blowing hot air on the fire detectors. Engine switch stays on to lubricate the high pressure fuel system with fuel until it stops turning is main reason. What was the deal with sutton. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:28 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: (no subject) --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel I offered my Viper to him for $140 but he didn't want to spend that much. -----Original Message----- From: CNCOBRA1@aol.com Subject: L29-List: Re: (no subject) --> L29-List message posted by: CNCOBRA1@aol.com I have a full spec sheet on my L-29. I will mail it to you. I cannot find a fax number for you. As you can probably imagine I have a lot more in it than I can get for it. With all the radios in it I would want $150,000.00. If I took the Garmin 430 and the HSI out I would get $125,000 or so. I would be open to an offer. Do let me know your opinion? Thanks Noell ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:58 AM PST US From: CNCOBRA1@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: (no subject) --> L29-List message posted by: CNCOBRA1@aol.com What does he want to pay? Noell ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:08 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: (no subject) --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel There is an "R" model, as an example, it was the factory advertising bird. It is repainted in and out as it was when new, includes $3000 in spares, This airplane in factory advertising brochures, VFR avionics, asking $77,000. The market is whatever you can get. Bill -----Original Message----- From: CNCOBRA1@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: (no subject) --> L29-List message posted by: CNCOBRA1@aol.com What does he want to pay? Noell ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:26 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel How did he fail the brakes? What did sutton do, this time? -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez You taxied into the grass cause the back seater had failed your brakes. Ernie On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:41:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Bill Geipel wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel > > Only 2 guesses from all you jet jocks, I'm disappointed. > > The x-wind limit is 23kts. However the military put a 15kt limit on single pilot ops. Because if you were single pilot, you were probably a student pilot. > > When cruising along and you enter the traffic pattern, if the flaps won't extend, the stabilizer won't trim. In the landing flap configuration, the stab leading edge has a lower AOA. This results in some extra elevator authority as it is now sticking up higher. With no flaps, the stab. is at a higher AOA. The elevator does not have as much authority so you need extra speed to compensate. > > The answer to the brake question; Brake pressure gauge indicates pressure applied when retracted. No hydraulic pressure is indicated. > > ??? So your back seater lands the airplane. He stops it on the runway and then says, "You have the aircraft". You, in the front seat then proceed to taxi into the grass because you can't turn the airplane. > > Is this Normal or Not. > > ???You get a "FIRE" light during cruise. What is the first thing you should do. > > Ernie knows this so he can't play. > > So why do we leave the Engine switch on after shut down? (3rd switch top row.) > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:52 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez He's now posting his shit on the Yak-List Ernie On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:04:50 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Bill Geipel wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel > > Hurray for Vance! Turn and look to see if really burning, if not Schwartz has right answer. "Duct Leak" blowing hot air on the fire detectors. > > Engine switch stays on to lubricate the high pressure fuel system with fuel until it stops turning is main reason. > > What was the deal with sutton. > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:47:07 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez Hmmmm, I had to think about that. I was thinking of the CJ which has a button which will fail the brakes. The jet doesnt....Only holding the rear brake could interfere with the braking mechanism. Ernie On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:40:12 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Bill Geipel wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel > > How did he fail the brakes? > > What did sutton do, this time? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ernest Martinez > To: l29-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: > > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez > > You taxied into the grass cause the back seater had failed your brakes. > > Ernie > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:41:00 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Bill Geipel > wrote: > > --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel > > > > Only 2 guesses from all you jet jocks, I'm disappointed. > > > > The x-wind limit is 23kts. However the military put a 15kt limit on single pilot ops. Because if you were single pilot, you were probably a student pilot. > > > > When cruising along and you enter the traffic pattern, if the flaps won't extend, the stabilizer won't trim. In the landing flap configuration, the stab leading edge has a lower AOA. This results in some extra elevator authority as it is now sticking up higher. With no flaps, the stab. is at a higher AOA. The elevator does not have as much authority so you need extra speed to compensate. > > > > The answer to the brake question; Brake pressure gauge indicates pressure applied when retracted. No hydraulic pressure is indicated. > > > > ??? So your back seater lands the airplane. He stops it on the runway and then says, "You have the aircraft". You, in the front seat then proceed to taxi into the grass because you can't turn the airplane. > > > > Is this Normal or Not. > > > > ???You get a "FIRE" light during cruise. What is the first thing you should do. > > > > Ernie knows this so he can't play. > > > > So why do we leave the Engine switch on after shut down? (3rd switch top row.) > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:52 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel Are you and I the only ones who don't work? -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez He's now posting his shit on the Yak-List Ernie On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:04:50 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Bill Geipel wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel > > Hurray for Vance! Turn and look to see if really burning, if not Schwartz has right answer. "Duct Leak" blowing hot air on the fire detectors. > > Engine switch stays on to lubricate the high pressure fuel system with fuel until it stops turning is main reason. > > What was the deal with sutton. > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:38 AM PST US From: "Gary Cole" Subject: RE: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" I work but the jets take 1st place. Just ask my wife that works with me. Where is your new buyer located? Have you guys seen the messages about Bailey's 29 at Spruce Creek in Florida? Sutton and Dave Cannavo are going at it on this message 2 pages worth. If you can't get it let me know and I will try to send to you. Dave's man flew it to SC for Bailey. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel Are you and I the only ones who don't work? -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez He's now posting his shit on the Yak-List Ernie On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:04:50 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Bill Geipel wrote: > --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel > > Hurray for Vance! Turn and look to see if really burning, if not Schwartz has right answer. "Duct Leak" blowing hot air on the fire detectors. > > Engine switch stays on to lubricate the high pressure fuel system with fuel until it stops turning is main reason. > > What was the deal with sutton. > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:30 AM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" how do i find baileys 29??? Robert E. Schwartz President THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST Commercial Real Estate Services 2406 East Pleasant Street Davenport, Iowa USA 52803 Tel: (563) 322-2228 Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600 Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net This information is intended for the use of individual named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the content of this information is strictly prohibited. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Cole" Subject: RE: L29-List: RE: > --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" > > I work but the jets take 1st place. Just ask my wife that works with me. > Where is your new buyer located? > Have you guys seen the messages about Bailey's 29 at Spruce Creek in > Florida? > Sutton and Dave Cannavo are going at it on this message 2 pages worth. > If you can't get it let me know and I will try to send to you. > Dave's man flew it to SC for Bailey. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel > To: l29-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: > > --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel > > Are you and I the only ones who don't work? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ernest Martinez > To: l29-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: L29-List: RE: > > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez > > He's now posting his shit on the Yak-List > > Ernie > > > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:04:50 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Bill Geipel > wrote: >> --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel >> >> Hurray for Vance! Turn and look to see if really burning, if not Schwartz > has right answer. "Duct Leak" blowing hot air on the fire detectors. >> >> Engine switch stays on to lubricate the high pressure fuel system with > fuel until it stops turning is main reason. >> >> What was the deal with sutton. >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:46 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: RE: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel California. Haven't seen the Bailey news. Where is it or what happen. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Cole Subject: RE: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" I work but the jets take 1st place. Just ask my wife that works with me. Where is your new buyer located? Have you guys seen the messages about Bailey's 29 at Spruce Creek in Florida? Sutton and Dave Cannavo are going at it on this message 2 pages worth. If you can't get it let me know and I will try to send to you. Dave's man flew it to SC for Bailey. Gary ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:14 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel 1.16 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject": l29-list@matronics.com --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel I will be happy to administer,(big word of the day) BFR's at the fly-in if you are in need. Study your L-29 manual! Bill ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:36 AM PST US From: "Gary Cole" Subject: RE: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" CJAA new message board at the L29 section. It is too many words for me to type. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel Subject: RE: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel California. Haven't seen the Bailey news. Where is it or what happen. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Cole Subject: RE: L29-List: RE: --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" I work but the jets take 1st place. Just ask my wife that works with me. Where is your new buyer located? Have you guys seen the messages about Bailey's 29 at Spruce Creek in Florida? Sutton and Dave Cannavo are going at it on this message 2 pages worth. If you can't get it let me know and I will try to send to you. Dave's man flew it to SC for Bailey. Gary ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:48 PM PST US From: CNCOBRA1@aol.com Subject: L29-List: Re: (no subject) --> L29-List message posted by: CNCOBRA1@aol.com I need my Fast Card updated. I might want to get a Ace card as well. Can you give a Ace check ride? Noell ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:47 PM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: (no subject) --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel No I can't. But I too need to renew mine. If I get somebody to come down to the show we can do it there. I'll start looking. Are you in a hurry for your card? If not I'll bring it to Lancaster. -----Original Message----- From: CNCOBRA1@aol.com Subject: L29-List: Re: (no subject) --> L29-List message posted by: CNCOBRA1@aol.com I need my Fast Card updated. I might want to get a Ace card as well. Can you give a Ace check ride? Noell ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:58 PM PST US From: SD737@aol.com Subject: L29-List: Ground Equipment --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com Hello guys, I am in need of a factory L-29 tow bar (the one with cables) and a tail stand. Anyone out there that has a "reasonably" priced extra of each?? Appreciate any help. Thanks Scott Douglass Reno, NV 775-853-1946