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1. 05:39 AM - Re: flying the L-29 (Bill Geipel)
2. 06:56 AM - Re: flying the L-29 (Gary Cole)
3. 07:01 AM - Re: flying the L-29 (Ernest Martinez)
4. 07:15 AM - Re: flying the L-29 (Bill Geipel)
5. 07:20 AM - Re: flying the L-29 (Gary Cole)
6. 08:13 AM - Rudders (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
7. 10:00 AM - Re: Rudders (Ernest Martinez)
8. 01:41 PM - Re: flying the L-29 (AI Nut)
9. 02:07 PM - Re: flying the L-29 (Gary Cole)
10. 03:12 PM - Re: flying the L-29 (Ernest Martinez)
11. 06:37 PM - Re: flying the L-29 (Zach McNeill)
12. 06:52 PM - Re: flying the L-29 (Zach McNeill)
13. 07:42 PM - Re: flying the L-29 (Bill Geipel)
14. 07:50 PM - Re: flying the L-29 (Bill Geipel)
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| Subject: | Re: flying the L-29 |
--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get everybody
on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all their "stuff"
in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records speak volumes.
Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: SD737@aol.com
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek some
knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect the
entire L-29 group......!!
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
I had Kinko's downsize a flight manual that is 5x6" that is easy to read and
installs in the pocket in both cockpits. Mine is in KM but with Knots added.
I am going to get a couple made for one of the guys in Lancaster so if any
one else wants one let me know. They are cheep so it won't cut into your
fuel account. I also had my Weight/Balance downsized and they put this in a
small binder.
I have some parts coming from Valentin in Estonia so if you need anything
let me know part #s.
Gary
They tail stand is easy to make using the shipping frame.
Anyone interested I can E-Mail you pictures of same.
I put on the site a tow bar and work stairs that works great.
David, as I am the nearest 29 to you come and ride.(your fuel)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get
everybody on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all
their "stuff" in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records
speak volumes.
Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: SD737@aol.com
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek some
knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect
the
entire L-29 group......!!
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| Subject: | Re: flying the L-29 |
--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'd like a copy of the manuals.
Let me know how much.
Ernie
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:56:23 -0600, Gary Cole <ca6209@flash.net> wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
>
> I had Kinko's downsize a flight manual that is 5x6" that is easy to read and
> installs in the pocket in both cockpits. Mine is in KM but with Knots added.
> I am going to get a couple made for one of the guys in Lancaster so if any
> one else wants one let me know. They are cheep so it won't cut into your
> fuel account. I also had my Weight/Balance downsized and they put this in a
> small binder.
> I have some parts coming from Valentin in Estonia so if you need anything
> let me know part #s.
> Gary
> They tail stand is easy to make using the shipping frame.
> Anyone interested I can E-Mail you pictures of same.
> I put on the site a tow bar and work stairs that works great.
> David, as I am the nearest 29 to you come and ride.(your fuel)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
> Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get
> everybody on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all
> their "stuff" in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records
> speak volumes.
>
> Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SD737@aol.com
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
>
> The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
>
> Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek some
> knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect
> the
> entire L-29 group......!!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flying the L-29 |
--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Me too. Are they readable for us blind guys?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'd like a copy of the manuals.
Let me know how much.
Ernie
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:56:23 -0600, Gary Cole <ca6209@flash.net> wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
>
> I had Kinko's downsize a flight manual that is 5x6" that is easy to read and
> installs in the pocket in both cockpits. Mine is in KM but with Knots added.
> I am going to get a couple made for one of the guys in Lancaster so if any
> one else wants one let me know. They are cheep so it won't cut into your
> fuel account. I also had my Weight/Balance downsized and they put this in a
> small binder.
> I have some parts coming from Valentin in Estonia so if you need anything
> let me know part #s.
> Gary
> They tail stand is easy to make using the shipping frame.
> Anyone interested I can E-Mail you pictures of same.
> I put on the site a tow bar and work stairs that works great.
> David, as I am the nearest 29 to you come and ride.(your fuel)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
> Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get
> everybody on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all
> their "stuff" in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records
> speak volumes.
>
> Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SD737@aol.com
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
>
> The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
>
> Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek some
> knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect
> the
> entire L-29 group......!!
>
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
The print is about the same as newspaper (Not The Headline) print.
As I am one of the older guys I can read fine, even when flying.
Gary
Bill it seams (we) don't have much going on today.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Me too. Are they readable for us blind guys?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'd like a copy of the manuals.
Let me know how much.
Ernie
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:56:23 -0600, Gary Cole <ca6209@flash.net> wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
>
> I had Kinko's downsize a flight manual that is 5x6" that is easy to read
and
> installs in the pocket in both cockpits. Mine is in KM but with Knots
added.
> I am going to get a couple made for one of the guys in Lancaster so if any
> one else wants one let me know. They are cheep so it won't cut into your
> fuel account. I also had my Weight/Balance downsized and they put this in
a
> small binder.
> I have some parts coming from Valentin in Estonia so if you need anything
> let me know part #s.
> Gary
> They tail stand is easy to make using the shipping frame.
> Anyone interested I can E-Mail you pictures of same.
> I put on the site a tow bar and work stairs that works great.
> David, as I am the nearest 29 to you come and ride.(your fuel)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
> Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get
> everybody on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all
> their "stuff" in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records
> speak volumes.
>
> Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SD737@aol.com
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
>
> The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
>
> Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek
some
> knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect
> the
> entire L-29 group......!!
>
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
I would like to offer some commentary on a very interesting discovery. As we are
all aware the L29 was built (or modified to create) 4 variations. (A, C, R
and RS) The RS was a derivative of the R with the tip tanks removed and the rear
seat removed. The A was a limited production effort to create a single pilot
aerobatic aircraft. (rear seat and rear canopy glass removed) However there
are some other minor differences between the A and C that I want to expound
upon.
In looking close at the tail of the A model, it becomes apparent that a totally
different rudder was utilized. It is about 4 inches taller and about 2 inches
deeper from front to back. It has a notch cut in the top edge to a 45 degree
and the fin above the rear tail is removed along with the inspection plates on
both sides of the rudder base to accommodate the taller rudder. It appears
that by removing (unriveting) the flair fin and removing or modifying the inspection
plates on both sides, the C could accommodate this larger rudder. It does
fit exactly otherwise and all connections are correct at top and bottom. Pete
Taylor and I have come upon this revelation because we obtained several new
A model Rudders by accident. (L29 312 ND) Notice the ND on the part number.
This brings me to my question. Certainly we all agree that more rudder command
could be a plus for the L29, especially for aerobatic operations. But, since the
A model came into limited production very early on, if this was a good idea,
why was it not adapted by Aero and installed on all C models subsequently built,
or overhauled. It is a real mystery to me. On the surface this modification
to the larger rudder appears workable, yet why was it never done by Aero???
Now a caveat. I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THAT ANYONE MODIFY OR CHANGE THE RUDDER
DESIGN ON THEIR L29. I am just suggesting that it may be possible and could
improve handling. What are your thoughts?????? I am hoping that we can obtain
the real facts from someone at Aero that knows.
PS the photos are of L29A and an R , but same as C
Bob Schwartz
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--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Well since a jet doesnt suffer from torque or P factor the additional
rudder wouldnt really make much of a difference, except if you wanted
to snap roll the airplane, and I guess it would have expedited spin
recovery, but more rudder = more drag.
The A model obviously could have benefitted from the larger rudder
strictly for acro manuvers, but I think probably at the expense of
performance somewhere else.
Ernie
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:05:17 -0600, ROBERT SCHWARTZ
<schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>
> I would like to offer some commentary on a very interesting discovery. As we
are all aware the L29 was built (or modified to create) 4 variations. (A, C,
R and RS) The RS was a derivative of the R with the tip tanks removed and the
rear seat removed. The A was a limited production effort to create a single pilot
aerobatic aircraft. (rear seat and rear canopy glass removed) However there
are some other minor differences between the A and C that I want to expound
upon.
>
> In looking close at the tail of the A model, it becomes apparent that a totally
different rudder was utilized. It is about 4 inches taller and about 2 inches
deeper from front to back. It has a notch cut in the top edge to a 45 degree
and the fin above the rear tail is removed along with the inspection plates
on both sides of the rudder base to accommodate the taller rudder. It appears
that by removing (unriveting) the flair fin and removing or modifying the inspection
plates on both sides, the C could accommodate this larger rudder. It
does fit exactly otherwise and all connections are correct at top and bottom.
Pete Taylor and I have come upon this revelation because we obtained several
new A model Rudders by accident. (L29 312 ND) Notice the ND on the part number.
>
> This brings me to my question. Certainly we all agree that more rudder command
could be a plus for the L29, especially for aerobatic operations. But, since
the A model came into limited production very early on, if this was a good idea,
why was it not adapted by Aero and installed on all C models subsequently
built, or overhauled. It is a real mystery to me. On the surface this modification
to the larger rudder appears workable, yet why was it never done by Aero???
Now a caveat. I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THAT ANYONE MODIFY OR CHANGE THE RUDDER
DESIGN ON THEIR L29. I am just suggesting that it may be possible and could
improve handling. What are your thoughts?????? I am hoping that we can obtain
the real facts from someone at Aero that knows.
> PS the photos are of L29A and an R , but same as C
> Bob Schwartz
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flying the L-29 |
--> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Thanks, Gary! I may be near you but I still don't know where you are
8-). I'll gladly pay for the fuel -- I'll just have to take out another
mortgage. But yes, I'd certainly enjoy flying with you. Let me know
when and where.
I'll take one of those flight manual sets, too, if you don't mind. Just
let me know what the fee is.
David
Gary Cole wrote:
>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
>
>I had Kinko's downsize a flight manual that is 5x6" that is easy to read and
>installs in the pocket in both cockpits. Mine is in KM but with Knots added.
>I am going to get a couple made for one of the guys in Lancaster so if any
>one else wants one let me know. They are cheep so it won't cut into your
>fuel account. I also had my Weight/Balance downsized and they put this in a
>small binder.
>I have some parts coming from Valentin in Estonia so if you need anything
>let me know part #s.
>Gary
>They tail stand is easy to make using the shipping frame.
>Anyone interested I can E-Mail you pictures of same.
>I put on the site a tow bar and work stairs that works great.
>David, as I am the nearest 29 to you come and ride.(your fuel)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
>To: l29-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
>--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
>Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get
>everybody on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all
>their "stuff" in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records
>speak volumes.
>
>Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
>
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SD737@aol.com
>To: l29-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
>--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
>
>The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
>
>Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek some
>knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect
>the
>entire L-29 group......!!
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
Gary Cole
6209 Beverly Hill
Houston, Texas
713 781 3792 (week days)
713 824 2204 ( cell)
Fly into Hobby Airport and we can pick you up.
You and GIB can stay at our house at the airport (private strip Covey Trails
TX09)
Or fly into our strip, private plane.
Go to Airnav. Com and get info.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Thanks, Gary! I may be near you but I still don't know where you are
8-). I'll gladly pay for the fuel -- I'll just have to take out another
mortgage. But yes, I'd certainly enjoy flying with you. Let me know
when and where.
I'll take one of those flight manual sets, too, if you don't mind. Just
let me know what the fee is.
David
Gary Cole wrote:
>--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
>
>I had Kinko's downsize a flight manual that is 5x6" that is easy to read
and
>installs in the pocket in both cockpits. Mine is in KM but with Knots
added.
>I am going to get a couple made for one of the guys in Lancaster so if any
>one else wants one let me know. They are cheep so it won't cut into your
>fuel account. I also had my Weight/Balance downsized and they put this in a
>small binder.
>I have some parts coming from Valentin in Estonia so if you need anything
>let me know part #s.
>Gary
>They tail stand is easy to make using the shipping frame.
>Anyone interested I can E-Mail you pictures of same.
>I put on the site a tow bar and work stairs that works great.
>David, as I am the nearest 29 to you come and ride.(your fuel)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
>To: l29-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
>--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
>Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get
>everybody on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all
>their "stuff" in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records
>speak volumes.
>
>Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
>
>Bill
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: SD737@aol.com
>To: l29-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
>--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
>
>The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
>
>Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek some
>knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect
>the
>entire L-29 group......!!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: flying the L-29 |
--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Guys,
Just an FYI. Its not a very good idea to post personal information on
these boards since ANYONE can subscribe to them. If you need to pass
along phone numbers, addresses or anything else you wouldnt want the
world to know about, then send email directly using the email link
included in each message.
The boards are routinely scoured by trolls and bots.
Also, this list is archived, so if there is anything you dont want to
be saved in perpituity write:
Do not archive
and the message wont be archived.
Ernie
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:06:44 -0600, Gary Cole <ca6209@flash.net> wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
>
> Gary Cole
> 6209 Beverly Hill
> Houston, Texas
> 713 781 3792 (week days)
> 713 824 2204 ( cell)
> Fly into Hobby Airport and we can pick you up.
> You and GIB can stay at our house at the airport (private strip Covey Trails
> TX09)
> Or fly into our strip, private plane.
> Go to Airnav. Com and get info.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AI Nut
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>
> Thanks, Gary! I may be near you but I still don't know where you are
> 8-). I'll gladly pay for the fuel -- I'll just have to take out another
> mortgage. But yes, I'd certainly enjoy flying with you. Let me know
> when and where.
>
> I'll take one of those flight manual sets, too, if you don't mind. Just
> let me know what the fee is.
>
> David
>
> Gary Cole wrote:
>
> >--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
> >
> >I had Kinko's downsize a flight manual that is 5x6" that is easy to read
> and
> >installs in the pocket in both cockpits. Mine is in KM but with Knots
> added.
> >I am going to get a couple made for one of the guys in Lancaster so if any
> >one else wants one let me know. They are cheep so it won't cut into your
> >fuel account. I also had my Weight/Balance downsized and they put this in a
> >small binder.
> >I have some parts coming from Valentin in Estonia so if you need anything
> >let me know part #s.
> >Gary
> >They tail stand is easy to make using the shipping frame.
> >Anyone interested I can E-Mail you pictures of same.
> >I put on the site a tow bar and work stairs that works great.
> >David, as I am the nearest 29 to you come and ride.(your fuel)
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> >[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> >To: l29-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
> >
> >--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
> >
> >Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get
> >everybody on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all
> >their "stuff" in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records
> >speak volumes.
> >
> >Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: SD737@aol.com
> >To: l29-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
> >
> >--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
> >
> >The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
> >
> >Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek some
>
> >knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect
> >the
> >entire L-29 group......!!
> >
> >
>
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Zach McNeill" <N777ZE@comcast.net>
Yes:
Send your address.
Z
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get
everybody on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all
their "stuff" in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records
speak volumes.
Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: SD737@aol.com
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek some
knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect
the
entire L-29 group......!!
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Zach McNeill" <N777ZE@comcast.net>
David:
Send me your address and I will send you all documentation that you need
under the current regs for training.
There are several training programs out there and you need to ensure they
are approved by the FAA each instructor should have a letter from the FAA
stating their training program has been approved or they have been given
written permission from a person who owns (invented) an approvwed program.
The new oversight in the FAA will be looking for the proper training
program.
The regulations are changing and the oversight for our part of the
regulations is also changing. At the CJAA annual convention Bob Wright (AFS
800) spoke to the members and outlined a new very different mindset. I am
presently having the VCR tapes converted to DVD. We will have the entire
convention (Speakers) on CD in a couple of weeks. Another great brief was
from Doug Gilliss on the Rules and regulations basically a what you need to
know for operating these aircraft.
I strongly agree with Bill you need to have someone who knows these aircraft
look at them before you purchase one. Bill and Bob both know the aircraft
from nose to tail. I made my tail dolly out of the shipping material. If
you can get your hands on a reasonable factory dolly I would highly
recommend it. For my jacks I went to harbor Freight and tools bought 3 3ton
hydraulic rams and welded ups some frames. They work Flawlessly.
Z
N777ZE@comcast.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Answers to follow
-----Original Message-----
From: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Thanks, Bill. Replies embedded:
Bill Geipel wrote:
>--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
>David,
>
>Do have a manual for the L-29?
>
>
No. Where does one obtain it?
I would send one if I can find it. Any of these guys will probably send one
for you to copy.
>Have you bought one yet?
>
>
No, but am very close.
Be carefull. Have someone help you to look at it. Did you ever find out why
it got disassembled?
>Have you ever been in one yet?
>
No. Is that important?
Yes. It may not be what you are looking for. Before I imported 37 jets, I
decided I should at least get in one to find out if it would fill my needs.
So I paid for a ride. Smart move. I would have hated to run all over the
communist world then realize I didn't like it or couldn't afford it. Still
can't afford it but what the heck.
>Tail dolly not nice to have..Required to have. Unless you live close to
someone who has one.
>Have to pull the tail to do an annual. (A real annual)
>Trade-A-Plane has jacks for about $200 each. Work great.
>
>
Not a problem.
>Get a manual.
>
Ok. Where?
>Better yet, Vance can E mail you a training program.
>
>
That would be great, too!
Vance will be reading this. So he may send it on his own. Otherwise begging
is in order and always encouraged.After all, we are men and should be used
to it.
>Bill
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--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
7626 Greenland Rd., Franktown, CO. 80116
Let me know $$$
Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Zach McNeill <N777ZE@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: "Zach McNeill" <N777ZE@comcast.net>
Yes:
Send your address.
Z
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get
everybody on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all
their "stuff" in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records
speak volumes.
Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: SD737@aol.com
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek some
knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect
the
entire L-29 group......!!
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--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Resting up. Tommorow I go do the big annual on the Viper. Ye Ha!
I still think doing an annual at the fly-in might be of interest to some. I would
rather do the formation clinic, but whatever will help the group.
Is Roma alive? Haven't heard from him.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Cole <ca6209@flash.net>
Subject: RE: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
The print is about the same as newspaper (Not The Headline) print.
As I am one of the older guys I can read fine, even when flying.
Gary
Bill it seams (we) don't have much going on today.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Me too. Are they readable for us blind guys?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'd like a copy of the manuals.
Let me know how much.
Ernie
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:56:23 -0600, Gary Cole <ca6209@flash.net> wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" <ca6209@flash.net>
>
> I had Kinko's downsize a flight manual that is 5x6" that is easy to read
and
> installs in the pocket in both cockpits. Mine is in KM but with Knots
added.
> I am going to get a couple made for one of the guys in Lancaster so if any
> one else wants one let me know. They are cheep so it won't cut into your
> fuel account. I also had my Weight/Balance downsized and they put this in
a
> small binder.
> I have some parts coming from Valentin in Estonia so if you need anything
> let me know part #s.
> Gary
> They tail stand is easy to make using the shipping frame.
> Anyone interested I can E-Mail you pictures of same.
> I put on the site a tow bar and work stairs that works great.
> David, as I am the nearest 29 to you come and ride.(your fuel)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
> Nice idea about knowledgeable guidance. Would be nice if we could get
> everybody on board. I have to admit though, the L-29 guys seem to have all
> their "stuff" in one bag. The others don't seem to get it. Safety records
> speak volumes.
>
> Zach, can you send me a cd rom?
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SD737@aol.com
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: flying the L-29
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
>
> The L-29 manuals are all on cd rom.. contact Zach.
>
> Hopefully if you buy an L-29 either in pieces or flying you will seek
some
> knowledgeable guidance not only to benefit yourself, but to also protect
> the
> entire L-29 group......!!
>
>
>
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