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2. 06:50 AM - Re: alternative fuel (Ernest Martinez)
3. 11:17 PM - Re: alternative fuel (Delfin)
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| Subject: | Re: alternative fuel |
--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Marvel Mystery Oil is a great lubricicity enhancer. Also American K-1
is closest to the Russian GOST standard.
Here is the page I was referring to. Go to the index and you'll learn
everything you want to know about aviation fuels.
http://www.chevron.com/products/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/aviationfuel/2_at_fuel_perf.shtm
Ernie
On 11/20/05, Roma L. Skinner <roma@airmail.net> wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
>
> yes it is a big problem, fuel is different in every part of the country,
> here in Texas we use almost no home heating oil, the K-1 we get is dry,
> being I guess used only in portable heaters, we knocked out the injector
> pump on one of our Cummings diesel engines, if we use K-1 we add a lubricity
> additive, when it arrives we take a hard look at the delivery ticket which
> spells out the spec's.
>
> I wish we could get some Jet-a , kerosene spec K-1 here.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: L29-List: alternative fuel
>
>
> > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >
> > I agree, but I beleive that Jet-A has less viscosity than K1. Diesl
> > is better, unfortunatley as your graphs show that the range is
> > broader, too high a viscosity especially in cold climates will reduce
> > fuel transfer capability possibly causing fuel starvation. Jet-A is
> > specially formulated for the best mix of lubricicity vs stability,
> > moisture content. K1 is close but will hold more mositure, is prone
> > to funghi, but has lower sulfur content which is good for the blades.
> >
> > The same chevron site has a good explanation of Jet fuel formulations.
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> > On 11/20/05, Roma L. Skinner <roma@airmail.net> wrote:
> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
> >>
> >> We have to watch our K-1 here in Texas because the sulfur is removed for
> >> non-vented applications and some mfg do not add enough lubricity for the
> >> type of high pressure pump the 701 uses, the only failures of the 701 I
> >> know
> >> of happen in Bulgaria, several high pressure pumped failed because of low
> >> lubricity fuel
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: Re: L29-List: alternative fuel
> >>
> >>
> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >> >
> >> > #1 Diesl, K1 Kerosene, Jet-A, JP8. are all basically the same with
> >> > respect to flash point, lubricicity, sulfur content. K1 better than
> >> > Jet-A on the lubricicity front.
> >> >
> >> > Ernie
> >> >
> >> > On 11/19/05, Roma L. Skinner <roma@airmail.net> wrote:
> >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
> >> >>
> >> >> the chevron #1 diesel is the same as jet-a here in texas, the fuel
> >> >> pump
> >> >> on
> >> >> the M-701 needs lubrication via the fuel, check the lubricity of your
> >> >> fuel
> >> >> before using
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: <Colyergreg@aol.com>
> >> >> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> >> >> Subject: Re: L29-List: alternative fuel
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ernest,
> >> >> > I don't know why you would want to run 100LL, it would burn but
> >> >> > that's
> >> >> > more than Jet A costs at almost every airport. Temps would be
> >> >> > higher
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > won't run as well either. Kerosene works fantastic. I burn both
> >> >> > clear
> >> >> > and red
> >> >> > most of the time (it's cheaper than Jet A) and it's the same as Jet
> >> >> > A
> >> >> > minus
> >> >> > the additives that they add to fuel. Diesel works too but is a
> >> >> > very
> >> >> > dirty
> >> >> > fuel that will clog up your fuel filter very quickly. I hope this
> >> >> > helps...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Greg
> >> >> > PS _www.aerol29.com_ (http://www.aerol29.com) is a new site that
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > be
> >> >> > completely up and running by years end with a forum as well.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: alternative fuel |
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--> L29-List message posted by: Delfin <delfin@mail.pf>
As Roma said, high pressure pump of czech engines are very sensitive
to lubrification. M-701 was done for use of military fuel. Mlitary
fuel is Jet A1 with three additives (one is for lubrification, one
part for 100 000. French army use hitec 580, but they are equivalent
in all armys. The other one is a anti-ice, one part for 1000, who is
also useful to get a good blending for the lubrifification additive
and is a batericical, French army uses digmee, it is the same as
prist . The third one is an antistatic, not useful as already present
in Jet A-1 ). Last flight manual of L-29 does not allow other fuels
that military ones. I had a high pump failure in flight some years
ago with my L-29 and the investigation made by Total company
specialists and czech engineers draws the conclusion that use of
Jet A-1 without additives was the reason of the failure. I use now
Jet A-1 with two additives. As the risk is low, but exists, I stongly
advise to be very careful for the use of fuels for L-29.
Good flights.
Jean de Roubin
L-29 flight instructor
delfin@mail.pf
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Roma L. Skinner" <roma@airmail.net>
>
> the chevron #1 diesel is the same as jet-a here in texas, the fuel
> pump on
> the M-701 needs lubrication via the fuel, check the lubricity of
> your fuel
> before using
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Colyergreg@aol.com>
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: L29-List: alternative fuel
>
>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
>>
>> Ernest,
>> I don't know why you would want to run 100LL, it would burn
>> but that's
>> more than Jet A costs at almost every airport. Temps would be
>> higher and
>> it
>> won't run as well either. Kerosene works fantastic. I burn both
>> clear
>> and red
>> most of the time (it's cheaper than Jet A) and it's the same as
>> Jet A
>> minus
>> the additives that they add to fuel. Diesel works too but is a very
>> dirty
>> fuel that will clog up your fuel filter very quickly. I hope this
>> helps...
>>
>>
>> Greg
>> PS _www.aerol29.com_ (http://www.aerol29.com) is a new site that
>> will be
>> completely up and running by years end with a forum as well.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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