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2. 09:16 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: L-29 GLUT (Bill)
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4. 09:19 AM - Re: [SPAM] Help - airspeed sensor (Bill)
5. 09:21 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: new topic (Bill)
6. 09:22 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: L-29 GLUT (Bill)
7. 09:26 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: new topic (Bill)
8. 09:29 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: new topic (Bill)
9. 09:31 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: fly-in (Bill)
10. 09:32 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: fly-in (Bill)
11. 09:33 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: fly-in (Bill)
12. 10:37 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: fly-in (Ernest Martinez)
13. 10:46 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: new topic (Colyergreg@aol.com)
14. 10:48 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: fly-in (Colyergreg@aol.com)
15. 10:54 AM - Re: [SPAM] Re: fly-in (Colyergreg@aol.com)
16. 11:10 AM - Re: L-29 GLUT (AI Nut)
17. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: fly-in (AI Nut)
18. 01:00 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT (Colyergreg@aol.com)
19. 02:03 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT (AI Nut)
20. 02:29 PM - Re: L-29 GLUT (Colyergreg@aol.com)
21. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Re: fly-in (Bill)
22. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Re: new topic (Bill)
23. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Re: fly-in (Bill)
24. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Re: fly-in (Bill)
25. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: L-29 GLUT (Bill)
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Sorry I'm late getting back into town. I still want to respond to eastcoast
flyer. Please don't come to any of our fly-ins or events. We all still have
fun flying them and enjoy each others company. I'll give you $30,000 for
your pig. Or do you even own one?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: [SPAM] L29-List: L-29 GLUT
> --> L29-List message posted by: "steve roberts"
> <eastcoastflyer29@hotmail.com>
>
> Anyone notice the L-29 market is very weak and going LOWER with the high
> price of fuel and more cheap imports coming into the country. There are
> flying/certified L-29's with good paint and radios in the US and they are
> on the market and NOT selling at these prices which tells you that the
> price
> is still too high! Read it and weep...... Two of them on Trade-a-plane
> ASKING $44,900 and not selling. Imagine how many L-29 owners want to
> sell,
> but have not listed their planes.....?
> I can see the market easily going down to $30K for a nice L-29 with good
> paint, radios, ground equipment, certified/flying in the US. These
> planes
> are underpowered pigs and have poor range and basically have no practical
> use. Fuel burn at 160 gallons/hour at an average of $3.50 for jet A
> equals
> fuel cost of approx $560 an hour just for fuel.... Not too many folks can
> afford to throw away that type of money just to go jerk around for an
> hour.
> Good luck selling these pigs!
>
>
> Not sure what this guy is thinking.... $60K for a basic stock airplane....
> In his dreams....
> Guess he has no clue as to the market....
>
> 1969 L29 Ocala FL $60,000
> Details
> Add to Favorites
> Take Notes
> 1969 L-29 $60K. http://www.gscinc.com http://tappix.com/740112
> Last Modified: 01/26/2006
>
>
> 1969 L29 3230 347 Chico CA $44,900
> Add to Favorites
> Take Notes
> 1969 L-29, 3230-TT, 347-SMOH, all original books, King radio &
> transponder, good exterior paint, military markings. $44,900. CA/(530)
> 892-8073. (530) 892-8073
> Last Modified: 01/23/2006
>
> 1971 L29 Grand Junction CO $44,900
> Add to Favorites
> Take Notes
> Contact this seller
> 1971 L-29, SELL OR TRADE for x/c SE recip. 3600/ 500/ 250. Will annual
>
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Who bought the $70,000 JT 12?
----- Original Message -----
From: <Colyergreg@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT
> --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
>
> There are some L-29's on the market, I have seen them from 40K up to 100K
> (the later being on drugs or something) Yes the market is soft right now
> but
> where else can you fly a warbird for 50K. It's a bargin especially at that
> price,
> and you are flying a Jet! I know someone who just bought a JT12 powered
> L-29
> for 70 Grand. If I would have known about it I would have bought it. That
> thing hauls ass!!! But I am happy tooling around 2 hours a month in my
> L-29. It
> satisfies the bug quite well.....
>
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
3300 is fine. If you fly the airplane the way it suppose to be flown, by the
numbers, you can roll out with very little braking. I would NOT takeoff in
July at 2:00 pm with full fuel and 2 people. But if you're just going to
play around 600liters is plenty. Your approach speed shouldn't be higher
than 90-95kts. With fuel load around 300-400 liters you can maintain 90kts
with plenty of protection.
Do not get behind the power curve.
----- Original Message -----
From: "AI Nut" <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT
> --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>
> What is the recommend runway length to operate these birds? Can one get
> away with a 3300 foot paved, that is 40 feet wide?
>
> Thanks,
> David M.
>
>
> ROBERT SCHWARTZ wrote:
>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ"
>> <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>>
>> In response to Steve Roberts post:
>>
>> I've been involved in the L-29 community for almost 10 years and I feel
>> that
>> a response to Mr. Roberts is necessary.
>>
>> When the L-29 first became available the prices were around $100,000 for
>> a
>> certified , flying nice aircraft. The L-29 market was dramatically
>> affected
>> by the introduction of the L-39 to the civilian market. However, there
>> was
>> and still is no comparison between the 2 aircraft, except for the
>> wonderful
>> quality of Aero Vodochody production. The L-39 is a more sophisticated
>> with
>> more advanced systems, a very expensive fan jet engine, costing over
>> $100,000 to replace and annualized routine maintained far above that of
>> the
>> L-29. That being said, it is a wonderful aircraft and even in today's
>> marketplace of somewhat reduced prices, you are going to be paying
>> $175,000
>> and up for any decent flying aircraft. While fuel burn between the 2
>> aircrafts is very similar.
>>
>> Granted fuel costs have risen a lot !!!!. But where can anyone buy and
>> operate an ex-military jet with the reliability, ease of maintenance and
>> parts availability that the L-29 affords for these prices? NOWHERE. The
>> L-29 remains the biggest bang for the buck in all of the warbird
>> community.
>> Maybe you would prefer investing $70,000 in a YAK with a piston engine
>> that
>> requires a quart of oil per hour. (Don't get on me, I own one and love
>> it!)
>> Just a comparison. A $50,000 car would be worth $5,000 -five years
>> latter.
>> So, everything taken into consideration, its a wonderful aircraft and
>> affords the average guy the opportunity to live a dream on a beer budget.
>> With fuel being the single greatest operating cost, I suggest that every
>> operator look at ways of relocating to airports that allow you to own
>> your
>> own fuel tank, or allow you to truck in a fuel trailer etc. After all,
>> reducing fuel costs greatly enhances your hourly ability to fly this
>> aircraft.
>>
>> Times change and so will the market for the L-29. With surplus engines
>> becoming a big issue with the L-39, the L-29 could see a revival in the
>> coming months and years. To address resale value. The market is all
>> over
>> the place. I have seen very nice , well equipped aircraft sell for
>> $100,000
>> and I have seen them in the box for $18,000. Every case is different and
>> the condition and representation of each aircraft is different. It takes
>> a
>> nice aircraft, (more than just slapped together) and some salesmanship to
>> get the top dollar. But it is possible and I know of several that sold
>> recently well above $50,000. Let work together and stick together.
>> Happy
>> Delfin Flying
>>
>> The Delfin Driver
>> 2819
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
I happen to have those very instruments. You can get a replacement "G" meter
and compass pretty cheap that are better.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: [SPAM] L29-List: Help - airspeed sensor
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
> <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Has anyone ever had a look at the box that senses airspeed and retracts
> the
> flaps automatically?
>
> I need to know what the electronic connection looks like (type of plug,
> no.
> of pins, etc).
>
> On mine this functionality was moved to a new tyoe of air speed indicator
> which is now rather scarce (read unobtainable).
>
> Also, need g-meter, compass and mach meter.
>
> Jorgen
>
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Are you guys climbing at 190? Gets up there pretty good. After 11,000 do
about 170 up to 18,000'.
----- Original Message -----
From: <SD737@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:40 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: L29-List: new topic
> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
>
> Come to Reno and I'll put you in the front seat and let you fly mine.
>
> As far as the ceiling goes, it's a BIG struggle to get above FL180 (18,000
> feet) and with the new RVSM requirements (reduced vertical separation
> margin)
> you cannot go above FL280 twenty eight thousand, but you're never going to
> get
> a L-29 that high.
> Plan on 10,000 feet to 17,500 feet typically.
>
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
And thats what its all about.
----- Original Message -----
From: <SD737@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 7:53 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: L29-List: L-29 GLUT
> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com
>
> It looks like the guy that wrote about the lousy soft L-29 market started
> some good banter.
> Unfortunately he is right on the mark! The market has dropped about $20K
> on
> L-29's over the winter. Example the L-29 that sold for $60K would be
> difficult to sell for $40K in today's market. Good news however, the oil
> future
> markets took a beating today saying there is a oil surplus! Hopefully
> that
> will work its way down to a kerosene price drop this summer.
>
> Ya, kerosene used to be .80 a gallon and over the course of a year jumped
> to
> $2.75 a gallon out here in Reno, Nevada and that keeps me from flying much
> more than once a month.
>
> There are 3 L-29 owners out here on the west coast that got together a
> few
> weeks ago and flew over the Golden Gate and Alcatraz and the Marin
> Headlands
> and we had a great time although it ended up being approximately
> a$1,500.00
> day for me which is a lot of money to blow out the tail pipe. I had a
> back
> seater that threw $600.00 at the cause.
> I fly the 757/767 to Hawaii and flying the L-29 still brings a bigger
> smile
> to my face than landing a 767 Heavy in SFO!
>
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Call me. In a soft market it time to take advantage. The L-29 is so
reliable, so forgivable and easy to fly. Parts are plentiful and resonably
priced. Most important when you buy this type of airplane, there is alot of
support from the other owners. As you have been reading, we get excited
about anything, and we look for any reason to fly. 612-810-7881.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <RAMPEYBOY@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 8:08 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: L29-List: new topic
> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
>
> The fact that you're not likely to be above 18,000 is one reason I think
> the
> 29 would be ideal for me: First, I want a warbird eventually. Second, it
> will by necessity be an entry level type bird. Third, I'm really not into
> a lot
> of hot dog flying, so it doesn't have to climb at 40,000 ft/min. Lastly,
> at
> the moment, I'm VFR only. I may never pursue the IFR rating. Above 18,000
> and
> you have to file IFR right? So, based on this I think the 29 would be a
> fun
> VFR warbird to fly to local events, and proficiency Sunday afternoon
> flights.
> I've gotten as far as I have in life by dreaming...no need to stop now
> right?
>
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
1 gallon per second at takeoff power, (afterburner) and about 700 gph at
cruise. 45 minutes max range 2 seater. You would look marrrvelous! Been
there done that. Big fun! Consider spare parts availability though.
----- Original Message -----
From: "AI Nut" <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:37 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: L29-List: new topic
> --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
>
> How would you guys compare the L-29 to the Mig 21 (?) that can do Mach
> 2? I live about 350 miles from the Gulf of Mexico so maybe could fly
> down there at subsonic, get 12 miles offshore then hit it hard and bust
> Mach! I would enjoy that immensely at least once in my lifetime. They
> are even cheaper than L-29's, too, at least as of a couple of years ago,
> for the 2 seat trainer.
>
> David M.
>
>
> RAMPEYBOY@aol.com wrote:
>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
>>
>> The fact that you're not likely to be above 18,000 is one reason I think
>> the
>> 29 would be ideal for me: First, I want a warbird eventually. Second, it
>> will by necessity be an entry level type bird. Third, I'm really not into
>> a lot
>> of hot dog flying, so it doesn't have to climb at 40,000 ft/min. Lastly,
>> at
>> the moment, I'm VFR only. I may never pursue the IFR rating. Above
>> 18,000 and
>> you have to file IFR right? So, based on this I think the 29 would be a
>> fun
>> VFR warbird to fly to local events, and proficiency Sunday afternoon
>> flights.
>> I've gotten as far as I have in life by dreaming...no need to stop now
>> right?
>>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
I want to be there, but it turns into a $2500 hamburger. My airline is in
the news. So its day to day living. I'll still try to make it.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:27 AM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: L29-List: fly-in
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> Not enough people brought there L-29s... and there's 4 L-39s based on the
> field. I think L-29s out-numbered L-39s, tho'.
>
> YOU can assist in correcting this deficiency this year. :-)
>
> Jon
>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>
>> Jon,
>>
>> I heard last year it turned into an L-39 fly-in......What gives?
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>> On 2/8/06, Jon Boede <jon@email.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> --> L29-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>>>
>>> Y'all L-29 guys crack me up... I think you're a friendlier set than a
>>> lot
>>> of the L-39 drivers out there.
>>>
>>> Somebody here mentioned "fly-in" and in working up my annual program
>>> letter, I see that the weekend of May 13th is going to be the date for
>>> the
>>> 3rd annual L-29 fly-in at Lancaster, TX (near Dallas). Mark your
>>> calendars.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> PS. I read an old interview with a Bulgarian Air Force colonel who said,
>>> "Flying the MiG-21 is like kissing a tiger: the pleasure is little and
>>> the
>>> risk great."
>>>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
How about on the Colorado river somewhere? Then the Colorado, Montana
Wyoming, Arizona can maybe make it. 1 tank trip (of fuel) for everybody.
----- Original Message -----
From: <colyergreg@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: L29-List: fly-in
> --> L29-List message posted by: colyergreg@aol.com
>
> All L-29 guys, how many are on the west coast? Let's have a L-29
> gathering on the west coast somewhere. Jet A is cheap at VCB $2.90 a
> gallon. I know there is 5 or 6 of us in Northern CA that I already fly
> with. And for all the L-29 guys in the country I have patches, aircraft
> stickers and hats made up for VX-29 The Rushnbears if anybody is
> interested in the stuff. it's a squadron (if you want to call it that)
> that we formed here in CA. Does anyone have a date for the CJAA west
> coast gathering? I will also have my site up soon www.AeroL29.com which
> will have forum and anything and everthing to do with the delfins.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:43:15 -0500
> Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in
>
>
> --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Jon,
>
> I heard last year it turned into an L-39 fly-in......What gives?
>
> Ernie
>
> On 2/8/06, Jon Boede <jon@email.net> wrote:
>>
>> --> L29-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>>
>> Y'all L-29 guys crack me up... I think you're a friendlier set than a lot
>> of the L-39 drivers out there.
>>
>> Somebody here mentioned "fly-in" and in working up my annual program
>> letter, I see that the weekend of May 13th is going to be the date for
>> the
>> 3rd annual L-29 fly-in at Lancaster, TX (near Dallas). Mark your
>> calendars.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> PS. I read an old interview with a Bulgarian Air Force colonel who said,
>> "Flying the MiG-21 is like kissing a tiger: the pleasure is little and
>> the
>> risk great."
>>
>>
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Up and down the east coast there are several. Where are you?
----- Original Message -----
From: <RAMPEYBOY@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: L29-List: fly-in
> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
>
> Any L-29's on the East coast? I'd love to get a walk around sometime. I'm
> in
> SC. I saw one at Sun N Fun last year. I loved seeing it fly, and would
> really like to get a up close and personal look at one!
> Boyce
>
>
>
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--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Hey, Bill, how does Colorado equate to 1 tank of fuel from Florida?????
Ernie
On 2/12/06, Bill <czech6@kellin.net> wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
>
> Up and down the east coast there are several. Where are you?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <RAMPEYBOY@aol.com>
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:37 AM
> Subject: [SPAM] Re: L29-List: fly-in
>
>
> > --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
> >
> > Any L-29's on the East coast? I'd love to get a walk around sometime. I'm
> > in
> > SC. I saw one at Sun N Fun last year. I loved seeing it fly, and would
> > really like to get a up close and personal look at one!
> > Boyce
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--> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
I am climbing out usually between 160 and 170 and can maintain around 2000 ft
per minute through 14 grand or so.
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--> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
at mach 3 maybe....
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--> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
That sounds likegood time. It would be awesome to 15 or L-29's together.
Arizona sounds good...any ideas?
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--> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Yes, they are danged expensive to play with, not even including the
buy-in costs. Pigs, though?
Ok, let's call the bluff.
What are you guys finding for:
----------, I seem to recall
range, 600-900 miles
economy cruise speed, 360-390 kts at 26,000
fuel costs per hour, $480-600 (not including cheating)
insurance, (probably too many variables)
aerobatic speeds, Va? 350 kts
roll rate, 720 degrees per second
Vne, .87 Mach
Bear in mind, people do this for FUN!
David M.
Bill wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
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> Sorry I'm late getting back into town. I still want to respond to eastcoast
> flyer. Please don't come to any of our fly-ins or events. We all still have
> fun flying them and enjoy each others company. I'll give you $30,000 for
> your pig. Or do you even own one?
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> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steve roberts" <eastcoastflyer29@hotmail.com>
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 10:48 AM
> Subject: L29-List: L-29 GLUT
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>>Anyone notice the L-29 market is very weak and going LOWER with the high
>>price of fuel and more cheap imports coming into the country. There are
>>flying/certified L-29's with good paint and radios in the US and they are
>>on the market and NOT selling at these prices which tells you that the
>>price
>>is still too high! Read it and weep...... Two of them on Trade-a-plane
>>ASKING $44,900 and not selling. Imagine how many L-29 owners want to
>>sell,
>>but have not listed their planes.....?
>>I can see the market easily going down to $30K for a nice L-29 with good
>>paint, radios, ground equipment, certified/flying in the US. These
>>planes
>>are underpowered pigs and have poor range and basically have no practical
>>use. Fuel burn at 160 gallons/hour at an average of $3.50 for jet A
>>equals
>>fuel cost of approx $560 an hour just for fuel.... Not too many folks can
>>afford to throw away that type of money just to go jerk around for an
>>hour.
>>Good luck selling these pigs!
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>>Not sure what this guy is thinking.... $60K for a basic stock airplane....
>>In his dreams....
>>Guess he has no clue as to the market....
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>>1969 L29 Ocala FL $60,000
>>Details
>>Add to Favorites
>>Take Notes
>> 1969 L-29 $60K. http://www.gscinc.com http://tappix.com/740112
>>Last Modified: 01/26/2006
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>>1969 L29 3230 347 Chico CA $44,900
>>Add to Favorites
>>Take Notes
>> 1969 L-29, 3230-TT, 347-SMOH, all original books, King radio &
>>transponder, good exterior paint, military markings. $44,900. CA/(530)
>>892-8073. (530) 892-8073
>>Last Modified: 01/23/2006
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>>1971 L29 Grand Junction CO $44,900
>>Add to Favorites
>>Take Notes
>>Contact this seller
>> 1971 L-29, SELL OR TRADE for x/c SE recip. 3600/ 500/ 250. Will annual
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--> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
For the fly-in, do you still have to send the local FSBO 'notice' and
ask permission to fly to other than the home airport with you jet?
If not, does that require an op limit change or was it statutory?
Thanks,
David M.
Bill wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
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> How about on the Colorado river somewhere? Then the Colorado, Montana
> Wyoming, Arizona can maybe make it. 1 tank trip (of fuel) for everybody.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <colyergreg@aol.com>
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in
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>>--> L29-List message posted by: colyergreg@aol.com
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>>All L-29 guys, how many are on the west coast? Let's have a L-29
>>gathering on the west coast somewhere. Jet A is cheap at VCB $2.90 a
>>gallon. I know there is 5 or 6 of us in Northern CA that I already fly
>>with. And for all the L-29 guys in the country I have patches, aircraft
>>stickers and hats made up for VX-29 The Rushnbears if anybody is
>>interested in the stuff. it's a squadron (if you want to call it that)
>>that we formed here in CA. Does anyone have a date for the CJAA west
>>coast gathering? I will also have my site up soon www.AeroL29.com which
>>will have forum and anything and everthing to do with the delfins.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>To: l29-list@matronics.com
>>Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:43:15 -0500
>>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in
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>>--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
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>>Jon,
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>>I heard last year it turned into an L-39 fly-in......What gives?
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>>Ernie
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>>On 2/8/06, Jon Boede <jon@email.net> wrote:
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>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
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>>>Y'all L-29 guys crack me up... I think you're a friendlier set than a lot
>>>of the L-39 drivers out there.
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>>>Somebody here mentioned "fly-in" and in working up my annual program
>>>letter, I see that the weekend of May 13th is going to be the date for
>>>the
>>>3rd annual L-29 fly-in at Lancaster, TX (near Dallas). Mark your
>>>calendars.
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>>>Jon
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>>>PS. I read an old interview with a Bulgarian Air Force colonel who said,
>>>"Flying the MiG-21 is like kissing a tiger: the pleasure is little and
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--> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
What aircraft are you talking the speeds and range from?
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--> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
If you refer to my post, from my swiss cheese memory of the L-29. I was
asking for corrections 8-).
David
Colyergreg@aol.com wrote:
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--> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
David,
Range 397 Max with wing tanks 500, Max never exceed speed 440 Knots, or
mach .75 (.70 with tanks on) 1000 liters internal fuel, another 300 liters with
wing tanks. Typical cruise though is 250 knots, 189 maneuvering speed.
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Good tail winds?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in
> --> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
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> Hey, Bill, how does Colorado equate to 1 tank of fuel from Florida?????
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> Ernie
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> On 2/12/06, Bill <czech6@kellin.net> wrote:
>> --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
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>> Up and down the east coast there are several. Where are you?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <RAMPEYBOY@aol.com>
>> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in
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>> > --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Best rate is 190. Give it a try. But anything above the trees at warp speed
is a waste. Stay low and see more!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Colyergreg@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: new topic
> --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
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> I am climbing out usually between 160 and 170 and can maintain around 2000
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Kingman, Arizona or Bull Head City. Isn't that where the casinos are?
----- Original Message -----
From: <Colyergreg@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in
> --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
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> That sounds likegood time. It would be awesome to 15 or L-29's together.
> Arizona sounds good...any ideas?
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Fax the letter 48 hours in advance and tell them you're going to a fly-in.
"Tell Them" not ask them.
----- Original Message -----
From: "AI Nut" <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: fly-in
> --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut <ainut@hiwaay.net>
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> For the fly-in, do you still have to send the local FSBO 'notice' and
> ask permission to fly to other than the home airport with you jet?
> If not, does that require an op limit change or was it statutory?
>
> Thanks,
> David M.
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> Bill wrote:
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>> --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
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>> How about on the Colorado river somewhere? Then the Colorado, Montana
>> Wyoming, Arizona can maybe make it. 1 tank trip (of fuel) for everybody.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <colyergreg@aol.com>
>> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in
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>>>--> L29-List message posted by: colyergreg@aol.com
>>>
>>>All L-29 guys, how many are on the west coast? Let's have a L-29
>>>gathering on the west coast somewhere. Jet A is cheap at VCB $2.90 a
>>>gallon. I know there is 5 or 6 of us in Northern CA that I already fly
>>>with. And for all the L-29 guys in the country I have patches, aircraft
>>>stickers and hats made up for VX-29 The Rushnbears if anybody is
>>>interested in the stuff. it's a squadron (if you want to call it that)
>>>that we formed here in CA. Does anyone have a date for the CJAA west
>>>coast gathering? I will also have my site up soon www.AeroL29.com which
>>>will have forum and anything and everthing to do with the delfins.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>>To: l29-list@matronics.com
>>>Sent: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:43:15 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: L29-List: fly-in
>>>
>>>
>>>--> L29-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>Jon,
>>>
>>>I heard last year it turned into an L-39 fly-in......What gives?
>>>
>>>Ernie
>>>
>>>On 2/8/06, Jon Boede <jon@email.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>--> L29-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>>>>
>>>>Y'all L-29 guys crack me up... I think you're a friendlier set than a
>>>>lot
>>>>of the L-39 drivers out there.
>>>>
>>>>Somebody here mentioned "fly-in" and in working up my annual program
>>>>letter, I see that the weekend of May 13th is going to be the date for
>>>>the
>>>>3rd annual L-29 fly-in at Lancaster, TX (near Dallas). Mark your
>>>>calendars.
>>>>
>>>>Jon
>>>>
>>>>PS. I read an old interview with a Bulgarian Air Force colonel who said,
>>>>"Flying the MiG-21 is like kissing a tiger: the pleasure is little and
>>>>the
>>>>risk great."
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--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Best rate of climb is 189. Flight plan is 1 gallon/mile. Once you're at
altitude you can recheck over your check points. But anymore than 1 1/2 hrs
in the seat I want to jump. 330 nautical is a good starting point. I have
actualy done a 402 nm leg at 14,500 no wind. Downwind the 200 liter light
came on.
Hate to brag, but now I can do 500+ with reserve. I'm happy! It cost me
enough to be happy, but like you say, thats why we fly these.
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--> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com
that's the way I like to fly too!!! about 80% power and down at tree top
level. Fuel burn is good, and still quite low considering and doing about
220-230 knots. I have flown for 1:20 like this with a take off in the middle (for
breakfast stop) and only burned 180 gallons. without the take off It would
have been maybe 150-160 easy.....
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