---------------------------------------------------------- L29-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/27/06: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:10 AM - L-39 Crash (SD737@aol.com) 2. 05:47 AM - Re: L-39 Crash (fish@aviation-tech.com) 3. 06:40 AM - Re: L-39 Crash (Bill) 4. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: L29-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 02/24/06 (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 5. 12:44 PM - Re: L-39 Crash (SD737@aol.com) 6. 01:15 PM - Re: part (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 7. 01:17 PM - part (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 8. 01:38 PM - (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 9. 01:38 PM - Re: Re: L29-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 02/24/06 (Colyergreg@aol.com) 10. 02:51 PM - Re: L-39 Crash (fish@aviation-tech.com) 11. 04:55 PM - Re: L-39 Crash (colyergreg@aol.com) 12. 04:58 PM - Re: part (colyergreg@aol.com) 13. 06:26 PM - Re: Re: part (Bill) 14. 08:34 PM - Re: Re: part (fish@aviation-tech.com) 15. 08:50 PM - Re: Re: part (Brian Colombo) 16. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: part (SD737@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:35 AM PST US From: SD737@aol.com Subject: L29-List: L-39 Crash --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com A L-39 crashed near Las Vegas area killing two pilots. Plane was owned by Dave Riggs I believe, but he wasn't in the aircraft. Another very experienced pilot and a F-18 pilot were in plane. Initial reports are CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:18 AM PST US From: fish@aviation-tech.com Subject: Re: L29-List: L-39 Crash --> L29-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com Group, Here is a local news story on the crash: http://www.sitnews.us/0106news/012606/012606_crash_ketchikan.html Fly Safe John Fischer >--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com > >A L-39 crashed near Las Vegas area killing two pilots. >Plane was owned by Dave Riggs I believe, but he wasn't in the aircraft. >Another very experienced pilot and a F-18 pilot were in plane. > >Initial reports are CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:14 AM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: L-39 Crash --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" When was the Las Vegs crash? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:06 AM Subject: L29-List: L-39 Crash > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com > > A L-39 crashed near Las Vegas area killing two pilots. > Plane was owned by Dave Riggs I believe, but he wasn't in the aircraft. > Another very experienced pilot and a F-18 pilot were in plane. > > Initial reports are CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:16 AM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: L29-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 02/24/06 --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Jean , my understanding from overhaul facility is that some A/C changes were made on Iraqi L29 aircraft. However, Egypt which were overhauled in 2000 did not have the mod. I am interested in more details if we can find someone that worked on the Iraqi aircraft (yes, good luck) Robert E. Schwartz >> * >> >> ================================================== >> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================== >> >> Today's complete L29-List Digest can also be found in either of the >> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest >> formatted >> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked >> Indexes >> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII >> version >> of the L29-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor >> such as Notepad or with a web browser. >> >> HTML Version: >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/l29-list/Digest.L29-List. >> 2006-02-24.html >> >> Text Version: >> >> http://www.matronics.com/digest/l29-list/Digest.L29-List. >> 2006-02-24.txt >> >> >> ================================================ >> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive >> ================================================ >> >> >> L29-List Digest Archive >> --- >> Total Messages Posted Fri 02/24/06: 12 >> >> >> Today's Message Index: >> ---------------------- >> >> 1. 01:26 AM - Re: L-29 Air Conditioning (Jean de Roubin) >> 2. 09:47 AM - air con - real question (Jorgen Nielsen) >> 3. 09:52 AM - Re: air con - real question (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) >> 4. 10:14 AM - Re: air con - real question (Ernest Martinez) >> 5. 11:24 AM - MANUAL ON CD? (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) >> 6. 11:44 AM - Re: MANUAL ON CD? (Gary Cole) >> 7. 02:53 PM - Re: MANUAL ON CD? (Colyergreg@aol.com) >> 8. 02:56 PM - Re: air con - real question (Jorgen Nielsen) >> 9. 04:07 PM - Re: air con - real question (AI Nut) >> 10. 06:00 PM - Re: MANUAL ON CD? (Bill) >> 11. 11:47 PM - L-29 and other jets at Reno Air Races? >> (SD737@aol.com) >> 12. 11:48 PM - More RARA jet info (SD737@aol.com) >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 1 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 01:26:03 AM PST US >> From: Jean de Roubin >> Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 Air Conditioning >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: Jean de Roubin >> >> Hi, could you try to send me directly the attachement for AC >> With many thanks >> Jean de Roubin >> >> >> Le 22 f=E9vr. 06 =E0 23:52, SD737@aol.com a =E9crit : >> >>> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com >>> >>> Ah, the attachment did not follow through the matronics system... >>> sorry guys >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 2 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 09:47:40 AM PST US >> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" >> Subject: L29-List: air con - real question >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" >> >> >> Has anyone ever stripped down the components of the air con >> system? I can >> accept that its not a great system, but I don't seem to get air >> flow through >> it. >> >> Lots of cool air would be good, but even warm air blowing on me >> would be >> better than no air! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 3 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 09:52:04 AM PST US >> From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >> Subject: Re: L29-List: air con - real question >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >> >> OK I don't really know anything about jets, or systems, but I'll >> throw in my >> 2 cents worth. Does the jet have a 110V AC power supply while in >> the air? If >> so, could you not strip down a $100 window unit AC like used in a >> house, >> reconfigure/reshape it so it will fit into whatever baggage space >> you have? >> Maybe replace the existing AC unit, and hook up to existing duct >> work? How >> ridiculous of an idea is this? >> Boyce >> already laughing at the idea.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 4 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 10:14:38 AM PST US >> From: "Ernest Martinez" >> Subject: Re: L29-List: air con - real question >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "Ernest Martinez" >> >> The L-29 air conditioning unit is a turbo-cooler design. Hot bleed air >> fromthe compressor is sent through a diverter/mixer valve, one side of >> the diverter valve goes straight into the cockpit to provide heat, the >> air is turned on by pushing the cabin pressurization valve on. The >> other side of the diverter valve goes through an air2air heat >> exchanger to pre-cool the hot bleed air, the output of the heat >> exchanger goes through a turbine. The act of turning turbine expends >> enrgery and thereby cools the air. then it is mixed with the hot side >> from the diverter valve to regulate the air temp. The diverter valve >> is controlled by the 3 position switch in the cockpit, cold diverts >> all air to to the heat exchanger, hot bypasses the heat exchanger, and >> automat controls the diverter valve based on the thermostat in the >> cokpit, mixing the hot and cold bleed air to the desired temp. >> >> There are 2 major problems with the system. First the heat exchanger >> relies on RAM air in order to cool the hot bleed air, when the jet is >> stationary the heat exchanger does nothing due to lack of RAM air. The >> second issue is that the cooler turbine is too small to really cool >> the air sufficiently to work in extreme temps. A larger turbine cannot >> be fitted (Like the L-39 unit) because the M-701 doesnt have >> sufficient excess bleed air capacity to turn anything larger and still >> maintain combustion pressures. >> >> I have worked on and off on a 24v powered auto air compressor, but >> this also has its limitations. There is very little room in the nose >> compartment for a sufficient size condensor. There is no good place to >> place an decent size evaporator in the cockpit, and there is no easy >> way to deal with condensation in the cockpit, so you would end up with >> a whole lot of water in the belly. >> >> I experimented with a marine type refrigeration 24v compressor but it >> didnt have the capacity required for cooling. I may try again with a >> 24v syncronous motor which may have the required torque to turn the >> compressor, but power draw will be on the order of about 60 amps. >> Plumbing through the pressure vessel is also an issue which needs >> resolution. >> >> Ernie >> >> On 2/24/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.com wrote: >>> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >>> >>> OK I don't really know anything about jets, or systems, but I'll >>> throw in my >>> 2 cents worth. Does the jet have a 110V AC power supply while in >>> the air? If >>> so, could you not strip down a $100 window unit AC like used in a >>> house, >>> reconfigure/reshape it so it will fit into whatever baggage space >>> you have? >>> Maybe replace the existing AC unit, and hook up to existing duct >>> work? How >>> ridiculous of an idea is this? >>> Boyce >>> already laughing at the idea.... >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 5 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 11:24:03 AM PST US >> From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >> Subject: L29-List: MANUAL ON CD? >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >> >> I read on the list about the L-29 manual being available on CD. >> How do I get >> one, and how much? "Zach" was the reported contact person, but the >> Email I >> had for him bounced back. Thanks! >> Boyce >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 6 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 11:44:39 AM PST US >> From: "Gary Cole" >> Subject: RE: L29-List: MANUAL ON CD? >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "Gary Cole" >> >> Try Z at www.warbirdseast.com >> Gary >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of >> RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:24 PM >> Subject: L29-List: MANUAL ON CD? >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >> >> I read on the list about the L-29 manual being available on CD. >> How do I >> get >> one, and how much? "Zach" was the reported contact person, but the >> Email I >> had for him bounced back. Thanks! >> Boyce >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 7 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 02:53:04 PM PST US >> From: Colyergreg@aol.com >> Subject: Re: L29-List: MANUAL ON CD? >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com >> >> I have it available on CD. In fact I have all the manuals >> available. Free >> Just pay for the shipping and a disk. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 8 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 02:56:38 PM PST US >> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" >> Subject: RE: L29-List: air con - real question >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" >> >> >> Comprehensive answer Ernie! >> >> OK so no easy answers re the aircon. I remember you were >> experimenting. >> >> Regarding airflow, when the aircon is running, cool or hot, can you >> actually >> feel any type of breeze in the cockpit? >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest >> Martinez >> Sent: 24 February 2006 08:14 PM >> Subject: Re: L29-List: air con - real question >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "Ernest Martinez" >> >> The L-29 air conditioning unit is a turbo-cooler design. Hot bleed air >> fromthe compressor is sent through a diverter/mixer valve, one side >> of the >> diverter valve goes straight into the cockpit to provide heat, the >> air is >> turned on by pushing the cabin pressurization valve on. The other >> side of >> the diverter valve goes through an air2air heat exchanger to pre- >> cool the >> hot bleed air, the output of the heat exchanger goes through a >> turbine. The >> act of turning turbine expends enrgery and thereby cools the air. >> then it is >> mixed with the hot side from the diverter valve to regulate the air >> temp. >> The diverter valve is controlled by the 3 position switch in the >> cockpit, >> cold diverts all air to to the heat exchanger, hot bypasses the heat >> exchanger, and automat controls the diverter valve based on the >> thermostat >> in the cokpit, mixing the hot and cold bleed air to the desired temp. >> >> There are 2 major problems with the system. First the heat >> exchanger relies >> on RAM air in order to cool the hot bleed air, when the jet is >> stationary >> the heat exchanger does nothing due to lack of RAM air. The second >> issue is >> that the cooler turbine is too small to really cool the air >> sufficiently to >> work in extreme temps. A larger turbine cannot be fitted (Like the >> L-39 >> unit) because the M-701 doesnt have sufficient excess bleed air >> capacity to >> turn anything larger and still maintain combustion pressures. >> >> I have worked on and off on a 24v powered auto air compressor, but >> this also >> has its limitations. There is very little room in the nose >> compartment for a >> sufficient size condensor. There is no good place to place an >> decent size >> evaporator in the cockpit, and there is no easy way to deal with >> condensation in the cockpit, so you would end up with a whole lot >> of water >> in the belly. >> >> I experimented with a marine type refrigeration 24v compressor but >> it didnt >> have the capacity required for cooling. I may try again with a 24v >> syncronous motor which may have the required torque to turn the >> compressor, >> but power draw will be on the order of about 60 amps. >> Plumbing through the pressure vessel is also an issue which needs >> resolution. >> >> Ernie >> >> On 2/24/06, RAMPEYBOY@aol.com wrote: >>> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >>> >>> OK I don't really know anything about jets, or systems, but I'll >>> throw in my >>> 2 cents worth. Does the jet have a 110V AC power supply while in the >>> air? If so, could you not strip down a $100 window unit AC like used >>> in a house, reconfigure/reshape it so it will fit into whatever >>> baggage >> space you have? >>> Maybe replace the existing AC unit, and hook up to existing duct >>> work? How ridiculous of an idea is this? >>> Boyce >>> already laughing at the idea.... >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 9 >> _____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 04:07:36 PM PST US >> From: AI Nut >> Subject: Re: L29-List: air con - real question >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: AI Nut >> >> Or is there anyplace one can attach an automotive type compressor? >> Shaft speeds on the engine, of course, are out of the question. >> >> David M. >> >> >> RAMPEYBOY@aol.com wrote: >> >>> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >>> >>> OK I don't really know anything about jets, or systems, but I'll >>> throw in my >> >>> 2 cents worth. Does the jet have a 110V AC power supply while in >>> the air? If >> >>> so, could you not strip down a $100 window unit AC like used in a >>> house, >>> reconfigure/reshape it so it will fit into whatever baggage space >>> you have? >> >>> Maybe replace the existing AC unit, and hook up to existing duct >>> work? How >>> ridiculous of an idea is this? >>> Boyce >>> already laughing at the idea.... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 10 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 06:00:13 PM PST US >> From: "Bill" >> Subject: Re: L29-List: MANUAL ON CD? >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" >> >> The cd will be at our little get together in Calif. >> I can burn some. (I'll try) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 1:23 PM >> Subject: L29-List: MANUAL ON CD? >> >> >>> --> L29-List message posted by: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com >>> >>> I read on the list about the L-29 manual being available on CD. >>> How do I >>> get >>> one, and how much? "Zach" was the reported contact person, but >>> the Email >>> I >>> had for him bounced back. Thanks! >>> Boyce >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 11 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 11:47:16 PM PST US >> From: SD737@aol.com >> Subject: L29-List: L-29 and other jets at Reno Air Races? >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com >> >> Hi guys, >> I live in Reno and I spoke with the Reno Air Race Association >> (RARA) two >> weeks ago and asked about L-29's getting into the races and he said >> that >> actually they might not have the L-39's race any longer. He said >> they don't >> make >> enough noise and that the crowd finds them boring. Also, last >> year Dave >> Canavo's L-39 walked away with the race, and so there really >> wasn't a race hence >> >> it wasn't much of a crowd pleaser.... >> Read this article below. >> >> Some of you may have heard that the L-39 Jet Races in Reno are in >> jeopardy. >> There is some truth to that rumor. I won't get into the politics of >> the issue, >> >> however, it is a reality that RARA is looking to improve the >> participation >> and sponsorship for the event. CJAA member Jim O'neal is >> spearheading an >> effort to gather enough support to keep the Jets from becoming a >> footnote at Reno. >> >> I will be lending my support on behalf of CJAA as well. The >> initial concept >> is to pattern the Jets after all the other competitiive classes. >> What this >> means in a nutshell is that all subsonic speed jet aircraft will >> be able to >> compete rather than a one only (L-39) model. SOOOOO, any jet, >> (L-29's, Casa's, >> >> Fouga's, Tweets, Provosts,Iskra's, T-33's, L-39's, etc., etc. >> etc.) will be >> racing against similar SPEED aircraft. Jim is working to draw up a >> set of rules >> >> that will be the model for the event. We're going to bend as many >> elbows as >> we can to gather at least a minimum of 20+ Jets to committ to Reno >> this >> September. One other big hurdle that needs to be addressed is >> sponsorship for >> the >> Jet Class. Basically, we will need individuals, companies, >> corporations, etc. >> >> to sponsor the prize money for the class. Being a sponsor at the >> event does >> have its privileges. >> The bottom line is that we need to move on this ASAP. Watching the >> Races is >> a great adrenaline rush, now, guess what the feeling would be to >> participate!!!!!! Please, Please, contact me if you think that you >> or a group of >> you >> might wish to pool resources to race or sponsor part of the event. >> Jim and I will >> >> be at the Convention for a brief on the progress, and to answer any >> questions. E'mail me if you have any inclinations as we need to >> start recruiting >> Now. >> Tally Ho!! Doc B.l _mblevins@psln.com_ (mailto:mblevins@psln.com) >> >> Return-path: >> From: BrienAttorney@aol.com >> Full-name: BrienAttorney >> Subject: copy for your review >> >> >> -------------------------------1140848755 >> >> Some of you may have heard that the L-39 Jet Races in Reno are in >> jeopardy. >> There is some truth to that rumor. I won't get into the politics of >> the issue, >> >> however, it is a reality that RARA is looking to improve the >> participation and >> >> sponsorship for the event. CJAA member Jim O'neal is spearheading >> an effort >> to gather enough support to keep the Jets from becoming a footnote >> at Reno. I >> will be lending my support on behalf of CJAA as well. The initial >> concept is to >> >> pattern the Jets after all the other competitiive classes. What >> this means in >> a nutshell is that all subsonic speed jet aircraft will be able to >> compete >> rather than a one only (L-39) model. SOOOOO, any jet, (L-29's, >> Casa's, Fouga's, >> >> Tweets, Provosts,Iskra's, T-33's, L-39's, etc., etc. etc.) will be >> racing >> against similar SPEED aircraft. Jim is working to draw up a set of >> rules that will >> >> be the model for the event. We're going to bend as many elbows as >> we can to >> gather at least a minimum of 20+ Jets to committ to Reno this >> September. One >> other big hurdle that needs to be addressed is sponsorship for the >> Jet Class. >> Basically, we will need individuals, companies, corporations, etc. >> to sponsor >> the prize money for the class. Being a sponsor at the event does >> have its >> privileges. >> The bottom line is that we need to move on this ASAP. Watching the >> Races is a >> great adrenaline rush, now, guess what the feeling would be to >> participate!!!!!! Please, Please, contact me if you think that you >> or a group of >> you might >> wish to pool resources to race or sponsor part of the event. Jim >> and I will be >> >> at the Convention for a brief on the progress, and to answer any >> questions. >> E'mail me if you have any inclinations as we need to start >> recruiting Now. Tally >> >> Ho!! Doc B.l mblevins@psln.com >> >> >> >> Law Offices of David R. Brien >> 23801 Calabasas Road, Suite 1006 >> Calabasas, CA 91302 >> Telephone: (818) 222-6887 >> Facsimile: (818) 222-6894 >> http://www.alternativedisputecenters.com/ >> >> The information contained in >> this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential >> Use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an >> attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is >> Privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the >> intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the >> intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received >> this document in error and that any review, dissemination, >> Distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If >> you have received this communication in error, please notify us >> Immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. If you are not >> the intended recipient you are directed to delete this message and >> Destroy any copies thereof. >> >> -------------------------------1140848755 >> >> >> >> >> >> Some of you may have heard that the L-39 Jet Races in Reno are in >> jeopardy. There >> is some truth to that rumor. I won't get into the politics of the >> issue, however, >> it is a reality that RARA is looking to improve the participation >> and sponsorship >> for the event. CJAA member Jim O'neal is spearheading an effort to >> gather enough support to keep the Jets from becoming a footnote at >> Reno. I will >> be lending my support on behalf of CJAA as well. The initial >> concept is to pattern >> the Jets after all the other competitiive classes.=20What this >> means in >> a nutshell is that all subsonic speed jet aircraft will be able to >> compete rather >> than a one only (L-39) model. SOOOOO, any jet, (L-29's, Casa's, >> Fouga's, >> Tweets, Provosts,Iskra's, T-33's, L-39's, etc., etc. etc.) will be >> racing against >> similar SPEED aircraft. Jim is working to draw up a set of rules >> that will >> be the model for the event. We're going to bend as many elbows as >> we can to gather >> at least a minimum of 20+ Jets to committ=20to Reno this September. >> One >> other big hurdle that needs to be addressed is sponsorship for the >> Jet Class. >> Basically, we will need individuals, companies, corporations, etc. >> to sponsor >> the prize money for the class. Being a sponsor at the event does >> have its privileges. >> The bottom line is that we need to move on this ASAP. Watching the >> Races is a great >> adrenaline rush, now, guess what the feeling would be to >> participate!!!!!! >> Please, Please, contact=20me if you think that you or a group of >> you might wish >> to pool resources to race or sponsor part of the event. Jim and I >> will be >> at the Convention for a=20brief on the progress, and to answer any >> questions. >> E'mail me if you have any inclinations as we need to start >> recruiting Now. Tally >> Ho!! Doc B.l mblevins@psln.com >> >> >> >> Law Offices of David R. Brien >> 23801 Calabasas Road, Suite 1006 >> Calabasas, CA 91302 >> Telephone: (818) 222-6887 >> Facsimile: (818) 222-6894 >> http:// >> www.alternativedisputecenters.com/ >> >> The information contained in >> this e-mail message is intended only for the personal and confidential >> Use of the recipient(s) named above. This message may be an >> attorney-client communication and/or work product and as such is >> Privileged and confidential. If the reader of this message is not the >> intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the >> intended recipient, you are=20hereby notified that you have received >> this document in error and that any review, dissemination, >> Distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If >> you have received this communication in error, please notify us >> Immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. If you are not >> the intended recipient you are directed to delete this message and >> Destroy any copies thereof. >> >> -------------------------------1140848755-- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 12 >> ____________________________________ >> >> >> Time: 11:48:06 PM PST US >> From: SD737@aol.com >> Subject: L29-List: More RARA jet info >> >> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com >> >> A number of you are already aware that the Reno Air Racing Association >> (RARA) is questioning the value of the L-39 Jet races in Reno,as >> to participation >> >> and sponsorship. With the blessing of CJAA and under the >> leadership of Jim >> O'Neal, I'm asking that the L-39 owners/pilots gather as much >> support as you >> can to keep the Jet class from becoming extinct. We're looking to >> include other >> >> subsonic jet species. (29's, Casa's, Fouga's, Provost's, etc, >> etc.) The >> concept is to have "like speed" models racing against each other >> rather than one >> >> model (39). This would mean that we would have a Gold, Siver, >> Bronze event >> similar to the other classes. For that reason we need committed >> planes. For >> first time racing pilots there is a school that you must attend >> ("which way is >> >> left"!!!!!) If you've had the desire to compete, now is the time. >> If you >> choose not to compete, but, would like to help financially as a >> sponsor of the >> Jet >> Class, 50% of all sponsor money goes back to the racers as prize >> money, we >> need you as well. I also, posted a similar plea on the CJAA website >> (classicjets.org_) Please contact me by E'mail or phone if you can >> help out. >> #530-253-3947 _mblevins@psln.com_ (mailto:mblevins@psln.com) See >> you at the Races. Doc >> B. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:16 PM PST US From: SD737@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: L-39 Crash --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com NO>>>>> This is the Alaska Crash. There was ANOTHER near Las Vegas yesterday! >A L-39 crashed near Las Vegas area killing two pilots. >Plane was owned by Dave Riggs I believe, but he wasn't in the aircraft. >Another very experienced pilot and a F-18 pilot were in plane. > >Initial reports are CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:15:01 PM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: L29-List: Re: part --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" I need a new generator to replace mine that I am sending to Dave canavo for one of the aircraft he is assembling. I propose to trade you the set of tires for the generator and you pay $700- $475 for generator and the $60 you owe So, $219 total., will that work?? Robert E. Schwartz President THE SCHWARTZ COMPANY MIDWEST Commercial Real Estate Services 2406 East Pleasant Street Davenport, Iowa USA 52803 Tel: (563) 322-2228 Fax: (563) 359-7769 Cell: (563) 940-8600 Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net This information is intended for the use of individual named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the content of this information is strictly prohibited. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: L-39 Crash > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com > > NO>>>>> This is the Alaska Crash. There was ANOTHER near Las Vegas > yesterday! > >>A L-39 crashed near Las Vegas area killing two pilots. >>Plane was owned by Dave Riggs I believe, but he wasn't in the aircraft. >>Another very experienced pilot and a F-18 pilot were in plane. >> >>Initial reports are CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:37 PM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: L29-List: part --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Guys, I need one emergency fuel shut off valve. Part number CT 5500-200 1 (8) this is the one with the red t handle on left panel behind throttle. Bob Schwartz Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:51 PM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: L29-List: --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Gentlemen: Please disregard below message. was sent to matronics by accident. > --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" > > > I need a new generator to replace mine that I am sending to Dave canavo > for > one of the aircraft he is assembling. I propose to trade you the set of > tires for the generator and you pay $700- $475 for generator and the $60 > you > owe So, $219 total., will that work?? > > > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: L29-List: L-39 Crash > > >> --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com >> >> NO>>>>> This is the Alaska Crash. There was ANOTHER near Las Vegas >> yesterday! >> >>>A L-39 crashed near Las Vegas area killing two pilots. >>>Plane was owned by Dave Riggs I believe, but he wasn't in the aircraft. >>>Another very experienced pilot and a F-18 pilot were in plane. >>> >>>Initial reports are CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:52 PM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: L29-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 02/24/06 --> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg@aol.com I think they are all dead now! ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:51 PM PST US From: fish@aviation-tech.com Subject: Re: L29-List: L-39 Crash --> L29-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com Group, I just talked to Tom Weil (my airport manage, Californa City) and he said that there was an L-39 crash in the local area yesterday. He had no further info. I checked the FAA web site and found this: http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/accident_incident/preliminary_data/media/I_0227_N.txt One of the post on the CJAA message board, says it may be Terry Fregely, flying Dave Riggs aircraft. I guess we will have to wait and see who and what happened. Fly Safe John Fischer Yak-52, N213YA Ex T-33A (N651), Owner >--> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com > >NO>>>>> This is the Alaska Crash. There was ANOTHER near Las Vegas >yesterday! > >>A L-39 crashed near Las Vegas area killing two pilots. >>Plane was owned by Dave Riggs I believe, but he wasn't in the aircraft. >>Another very experienced pilot and a F-18 pilot were in plane. >> >>Initial reports are CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:05 PM PST US From: colyergreg@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: L-39 Crash --> L29-List message posted by: colyergreg@aol.com the FAA is reporting it 7 miles from california city L71 with 2 fatals -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:39:53 -0600 Subject: Re: L29-List: L-39 Crash --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" When was the Las Vegs crash? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:06 AM Subject: L29-List: L-39 Crash > --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com > > A L-39 crashed near Las Vegas area killing two pilots. > Plane was owned by Dave Riggs I believe, but he wasn't in the aircraft. > Another very experienced pilot and a F-18 pilot were in plane. > > Initial reports are CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:18 PM PST US From: colyergreg@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: part --> L29-List message posted by: colyergreg@aol.com I need one of those as well. if anyone has one of them.... -----Original Message----- From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ Sent: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:08:21 -0600 Subject: L29-List: part --> L29-List message posted by: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Guys, I need one emergency fuel shut off valve. Part number CT 5500-200 1 (8) this is the one with the red t handle on left panel behind throttle. Bob Schwartz Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:26:58 PM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: part --> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" Many L-29s were produced without the "firecock". So, if you can't find one, they are the hardest of all parts to find, block it off and go without. Did the airport manager at Calif. City give any hint to the price of gas for us? L-39; How many L-39s does that guy own? The Alaska crash was suppose to be his as well. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:10 PM PST US From: fish@aviation-tech.com Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: part --> L29-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com Group, I do not think that Riggs owned the aircraft in Alaska. It was just one of his friends/Employee flying the aircraft. http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/021206/hom_20060212001.shtml I will check with Tom Weil, California City Airport Manager tomorrow on fuel prices, as I will be at my hangers. Fly Safe John Fischer >--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" > >Many L-29s were produced without the "firecock". So, if you can't find one, >they are the hardest of all parts to find, block it off and go without. > >Did the airport manager at Calif. City give any hint to the price of gas for >us? > >L-39; How many L-39s does that guy own? The Alaska crash was suppose to be >his as well. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:50:46 PM PST US From: "Brian Colombo" Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: part --> L29-List message posted by: "Brian Colombo" Dave did not own nor was he a buyer for the Alaska aircraft. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: L29-List: part > --> L29-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com > > Group, > > I do not think that Riggs owned the aircraft in Alaska. It was just one of > his > friends/Employee flying the aircraft. > > http://www.alaskajournal.com/stories/021206/hom_20060212001.shtml > > I will check with Tom Weil, California City Airport Manager tomorrow on > fuel > prices, as I will be at my hangers. > > Fly Safe > John Fischer > > >>--> L29-List message posted by: "Bill" >> >>Many L-29s were produced without the "firecock". So, if you can't find >>one, > >>they are the hardest of all parts to find, block it off and go without. >> >>Did the airport manager at Calif. City give any hint to the price of gas >>for > >>us? >> >>L-39; How many L-39s does that guy own? The Alaska crash was suppose to be > >>his as well. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:28 PM PST US From: SD737@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: part --> L29-List message posted by: SD737@aol.com Bob, email me directly at _SD737@aol.com_ (mailto:SD737@aol.com) Thanks, Scott