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2. 05:06 AM - SV: New Guy (Lasse Rungholm)
3. 05:52 AM - Re: New Guy (Bill)
4. 12:47 PM - Re: New Guy (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
5. 01:08 PM - Re: New Guy (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
6. 01:38 PM - Re: New Guy (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
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8. 01:46 PM - Re: New Guy (Paul Hathaway)
9. 02:17 PM - Re: New Guy (Jon Boede)
10. 02:33 PM - Re: New Guy (David M.)
11. 02:43 PM - Re: New Guy (Bill)
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13. 02:46 PM - Re: New Guy (Bill)
14. 02:47 PM - Re: New Guy (Bill)
15. 02:47 PM - SV: New Guy (Lasse Rungholm)
16. 02:52 PM - Viper Engine (franknlynn)
17. 02:58 PM - Doh! (franknlynn)
18. 03:00 PM - Re: New Guy (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
19. 03:10 PM - Re: New Guy (David M.)
20. 03:13 PM - Re: A/C (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
21. 03:22 PM - Re: New Guy (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
22. 03:54 PM - Re: New Guy (Ernest Martinez)
23. 03:58 PM - Re: Re: A/C (Ernest Martinez)
24. 06:53 PM - Re: SV: New Guy (delfin@mail.pf)
25. 07:01 PM - Re: New Guy (Bill)
26. 07:03 PM - (Bill)
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36. 11:06 PM - SV: T33 (Lasse Rungholm)
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If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough, it's a
waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a flying
certified good a/c for about 35K.
They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop myself. I
would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
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My brother has a T33 for sale in Denmark for a very reasonable price if
anyone is interested. Flyable but out of annual.
Lasse
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Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy
a flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
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Send info to me please. czech6@kellin.net photos if available.
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From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:04 AM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
My brother has a T33 for sale in Denmark for a very reasonable price if
anyone is interested. Flyable but out of annual.
Lasse
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Til: l29-list@matronics.com
Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough, it's
a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a flying
certified good a/c for about 35K.
They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop myself.
I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
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If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy
a flying
certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I
love mine but everytime I think about
doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. ""
I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to
$100,000
or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether you
get it all
back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to be
quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance
and
easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be
$295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this
year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they were
nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29
being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history
and you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not
many elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box
flyers.
Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to
all
Bob Schwartz
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From: Colyergreg@aol.com
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy
a flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think
about doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I
stop myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
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In a message dated 7/31/2007 3:48:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net writes:
An L-39 in show plane condition might be
$295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
something you could do in your garage.
Is this to say you could do a restoration of the L-29 in your garage?
Not being funny(some people can't change the oil in there cars!), is it that
much simpler in terms of systems & complexity?
Boyce
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well some work could be performed in a well equipped garage. (nose
section work) etc. The systems are very different (APU, back up
electrical system, fan jet engine) L-39 is a wonderful aircraft, but not
a home hobbyist project. The L-29 is not for an auto mechanic either.
But is substantially more simple and parts are cheaper and available.
Robert E. Schwartz
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From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
In a message dated 7/31/2007 3:48:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net writes:
An L-39 in show plane condition might be
$295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
something you could do in your garage.
Is this to say you could do a restoration of the L-29 in your
garage? Not being funny(some people can't change the oil in there
cars!), is it that much simpler in terms of systems & complexity?
Boyce
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HMMM, interesting! I've almost given up on ever owning a jet warbird. But
maybe one day when I grow up!
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There are plenty of pictures of the front section of my L-29 in my home
garage. It is a perfect place to do avionics work. Very manageable
assembly in terms of size.
I agree with Bob on the upgrade value philosophy. Consider this:
I bought #52 from Bob. It is such a well made aircraft. Flush riveted.
Built like a tank. Anodized aluminum. No corrosion. No damage.
Methodically kept logs.
It cost less than a used Ford truck.
I have an A&P license, so restoring it to like new mechanical condition
isn't that hard or expensive, just very time consuming.
I could have purchased a Lancair kitplane for $130K and would have
nothing that resembled an aircraft until I had sunk another $200k and 5
years into it.
Everyone I know loves the aircraft and is eager to help restore it. I
think upgrading them makes perfect sense if you plan to keep it.
My $0.02.
Paul
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT
SCHWARTZ
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
well some work could be performed in a well equipped garage. (nose
section work) etc. The systems are very different (APU, back up
electrical system, fan jet engine) L-39 is a wonderful aircraft, but not
a home hobbyist project. The L-29 is not for an auto mechanic either.
But is substantially more simple and parts are cheaper and available.
Robert E. Schwartz
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From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
In a message dated 7/31/2007 3:48:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net writes:
An L-39 in show plane condition might be
$295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration
would not be
something you could do in your garage.
Is this to say you could do a restoration of the L-29 in
your garage? Not being funny(some people can't change the oil in there
cars!), is it that much simpler in terms of systems & complexity?
Boyce
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href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics
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Normally I just lurk here. :-)
If you're going to spend money on an L-29... put in a Viper engine. IMHO
I've seen several VERY nice L-29s that the owner would have taken $40k to
get out of.
Some day, when all of the other jet warbirds are grounded and the L-29 is
still flying by virtue of the genius of its simpleness, the price will start
to come back up, providing that Jet-A is not $10 a gallon by then. But it's
like a roach motel for money now... the money goes in, it's satisfying, but
the money doesn't come back out. :-)
Jon
>From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:58 -0500
>
>If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>flying
>certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I
>love mine but everytime I think about
>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. ""
>
>
> I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to $100,000
> or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether you
>get it all
> back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to be
> quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance and
> easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be
> $295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
> something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this
> year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they were
>nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29
> being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history and
>you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not many
>elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box flyers.
>
>
>Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to
>all
>
>Bob Schwartz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Colyergreg@aol.com
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM
> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
>
> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop myself.
> I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
>
>
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define 'reasonable' :)
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
My brother has a T33 for sale in Denmark for a very reasonable price if
anyone is interested. Flyable but out of annual.
Lasse
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Sendt: ti 31-07-2007 13:54
Til: l29-list@matronics.com
Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough, it's
a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a flying
certified good a/c for about 35K.
They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop myself.
I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
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Absolutely.
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From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
In a message dated 7/31/2007 3:48:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net writes:
An L-39 in show plane condition might be
$295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
something you could do in your garage.
Is this to say you could do a restoration of the L-29 in your
garage? Not being funny(some people can't change the oil in there
cars!), is it that much simpler in terms of systems & complexity?
Boyce
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My vote is for a Viper. Of course I'm some-what biased!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Boede" <jonboede@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
> Normally I just lurk here. :-)
>
> If you're going to spend money on an L-29... put in a Viper engine. IMHO
> I've seen several VERY nice L-29s that the owner would have taken $40k to
> get out of.
>
> Some day, when all of the other jet warbirds are grounded and the L-29 is
> still flying by virtue of the genius of its simpleness, the price will
> start to come back up, providing that Jet-A is not $10 a gallon by then.
> But it's like a roach motel for money now... the money goes in, it's
> satisfying, but the money doesn't come back out. :-)
>
> Jon
>
>
>>From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>>To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:58 -0500
>>
>>If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>>flying
>>certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I
>>love mine but everytime I think about
>>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
>> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. ""
>>
>>
>> I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to $100,000
>> or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether you
>> get it all
>> back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to be
>> quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance and
>> easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be
>> $295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
>> something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this
>> year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they were
>> nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29
>> being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history
>> and you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not
>> many elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box
>> flyers.
>>
>>
>>Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to
>>all
>>
>>Bob Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Colyergreg@aol.com
>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>>
>>
>> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>> it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>> flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
>>
>> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think
>> about doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
>> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Thats what I asked?
$$$$$$$?
----- Original Message -----
From: "David M." <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
define 'reasonable' :)
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
My brother has a T33 for sale in Denmark for a very reasonable price if
anyone is interested. Flyable but out of annual.
Lasse
________________________________
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Sendt: ti 31-07-2007 13:54
Til: l29-list@matronics.com
Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough, it's
a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a flying
certified good a/c for about 35K.
They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop myself.
I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
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If you want one, you'll get it. There is always a way to do it. If you
really want it. You can't buy a good car for $35000 anymore.
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From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
In a message dated 7/31/2007 3:48:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net writes:
An L-39 in show plane condition might be
$295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
something you could do in your garage.
Is this to say you could do a restoration of the L-29 in your
garage? Not being funny(some people can't change the oil in there
cars!), is it that much simpler in terms of systems & complexity?
Boyce
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He is asking EUR 100K but I am sure he will sell for a lot less:
http://www.avbuyer.com/AircraftSales/AircraftResults.asp?ListId=10&AircraftManufacturerId=1242&subList=1229&NumberPerPage=10
Best regards
OPMAS
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Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
define 'reasonable' :)
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
My brother has a T33 for sale in Denmark for a very reasonable price if
anyone is interested. Flyable but out of annual.
Lasse
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Sendt: ti 31-07-2007 13:54
Til: l29-list@matronics.com
Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough, it's
a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a flying
certified good a/c for about 35K.
They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop myself.
I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
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Jon,
I have sent e-mails to those guys and got zero reply. Perhaps because I am
in Australia they don't want to be bothered with me. I was particularly
interested in their wet wing mod also but...nothin'.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
Normally I just lurk here. :-)
If you're going to spend money on an L-29... put in a Viper engine. IMHO
I've seen several VERY nice L-29s that the owner would have taken $40k to
get out of.
Some day, when all of the other jet warbirds are grounded and the L-29 is
still flying by virtue of the genius of its simpleness, the price will start
to come back up, providing that Jet-A is not $10 a gallon by then. But it's
like a roach motel for money now... the money goes in, it's satisfying, but
the money doesn't come back out. :-)
Jon
>From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:58 -0500
>
>If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>flying
>certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I
>love mine but everytime I think about
>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. ""
>
>
> I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to $100,000
> or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether you
>get it all
> back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to be
> quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance and
> easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be
> $295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
> something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this
> year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they were
>nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29
> being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history and
>you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not many
>elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box flyers.
>
>
>Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to
>all
>
>Bob Schwartz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Colyergreg@aol.com
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM
> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
>
> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop myself.
> I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
>
>
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>
>
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Sorry Greg, television has given me a short attention span. What was the
thread you were responding to as it dropped off the e-mail or was
automatically deleted when returned or something.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colyergreg@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 31 July 2007 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough, it's
a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a flying
certified good a/c for about 35K.
They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop myself.
I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
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Flying is barely affordable in a Cessna for me. Figure 1000 hours of 152
time(minimum time for LOA in jet warbird) at 6GPH, $4/gallon. That's $24,000
in
fuel, plus $4,000 or more I spent on the SEPPL, and another $5000 for the
IFR rating everyone says I should have for a jet warbird. I've spent as much in
training cost as the plane costs to buy. Actually more as a renter I would
be paying $80/hour wet.
Having said all that..I am building a Mustang II. I should be able to
build hours pretty quickly once it's finished. It won't be any cheaper, but it
may better prepare me for the speeds of an L-29 than the 152 would. I guess
if I want it to happen, it's going to take a lot of green!
Boyce
BTW, the market is right for an L-29 buyer. If I could spare the dough..I'd
buy right now!
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nice looking bird. I thought the T-33 was the ones the US astronauts fly
around in; much smaller plane than in the picture.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
>
> He is asking EUR 100K but I am sure he will sell for a lot less:
>
> http://www.avbuyer.com/AircraftSales/AircraftResults.asp?ListId=10&AircraftManufacturerId=1242&subList=1229&NumberPerPage=10
>
> Best regards
> OPMAS
>
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> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne af David M.
> Sendt: 31. juli 2007 23:33
> Til: l29-list@matronics.com
> Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> define 'reasonable' :)
>
> David M.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:04 AM
> Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> My brother has a T33 for sale in Denmark for a very reasonable price if
> anyone is interested. Flyable but out of annual.
>
> Lasse
>
> ________________________________
>
> Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com p vegne af Colyergreg@aol.com
> Sendt: ti 31-07-2007 13:54
> Til: l29-list@matronics.com
> Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
> it's
> a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
> flying
> certified good a/c for about 35K.
>
> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
> doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
> myself.
> I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
>
>
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Need some help you L29 guru's Especially from Bill
Looking at a concept to get Freon air in the L29 cockpit. Now , I need to
see what I have left for generator amperage after running all necessary
components. We know gen is 100 amp 28 volt permissible 30 amps for 30
min per manual
In theory the electric compressor will not cycle on until after engine
start. So, 100 amp gen. What's available for the new a/c
Lets discuss what's running.
1. Invertors for attitude indicator_____ amps
2. low pressure fuel pump electric_____ amps
3. day switch lights etc______ amps
4. igniters cycle off
5. avionics ________amps depends on aircraft but an average say
6. I need about 50 to 60 amps max in cruise . Do we have it??
BOB
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "franknlynn" <franklynn19@westnet.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:51 PM
Subject: L29-List: Viper Engine
>
> Jon,
>
> I have sent e-mails to those guys and got zero reply. Perhaps because I am
> in Australia they don't want to be bothered with me. I was particularly
> interested in their wet wing mod also but...nothin'.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 7:17 AM
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> Normally I just lurk here. :-)
>
> If you're going to spend money on an L-29... put in a Viper engine. IMHO
> I've seen several VERY nice L-29s that the owner would have taken $40k to
> get out of.
>
> Some day, when all of the other jet warbirds are grounded and the L-29 is
> still flying by virtue of the genius of its simpleness, the price will
> start
>
> to come back up, providing that Jet-A is not $10 a gallon by then. But
> it's
>
> like a roach motel for money now... the money goes in, it's satisfying,
> but
> the money doesn't come back out. :-)
>
> Jon
>
>
>>From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>>To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:58 -0500
>>
>>If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>>flying
>>certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I
>>love mine but everytime I think about
>>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
>> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. ""
>>
>>
>> I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to $100,000
>> or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether you
>>get it all
>> back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to be
>> quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance and
>> easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be
>> $295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
>> something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this
>> year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they were
>>nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29
>> being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history
>> and
>
>>you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not many
>>elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box flyers.
>>
>>
>>Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to
>>all
>>
>>Bob Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Colyergreg@aol.com
>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>>
>>
>> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>>flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
>>
>> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think
>> about
>
>>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
>>myself.
>
>> I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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John>
Cant help it-got to respond !!
I agree about current L29 resale values. Although part of the problem is
that someone keeps selling for these low prices. If you could not buy one
for under $50,000 that would be the new bottom. I have a tiny concern
that the L-39 could eventually find a similar fate. A great great airplane
!!!!!, but the L-39 engine is expensive to replace, (say average $80,000
used but serviceable) ( $135,000 zero overhaul) not so easy to find and will
probably become much more expensive as the fleet of ageing USA L-39 engines
start to run out. All that said, where in the world could you find a
nicer airplane overall !!!!!
From: "Jon Boede" <jonboede@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
> Normally I just lurk here. :-)
>
> If you're going to spend money on an L-29... put in a Viper engine. IMHO
> I've seen several VERY nice L-29s that the owner would have taken $40k to
> get out of.
>
> Some day, when all of the other jet warbirds are grounded and the L-29 is
> still flying by virtue of the genius of its simpleness, the price will
> start to come back up, providing that Jet-A is not $10 a gallon by then.
> But it's like a roach motel for money now... the money goes in, it's
> satisfying, but the money doesn't come back out. :-)
>
> Jon
>
>
>>From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>>To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:58 -0500
>>
>>If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>>flying
>>certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I
>>love mine but everytime I think about
>>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
>> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. ""
>>
>>
>> I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to $100,000
>> or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether you
>> get it all
>> back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to be
>> quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance and
>> easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be
>> $295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
>> something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this
>> year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they were
>> nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29
>> being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history
>> and you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not
>> many elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box
>> flyers.
>>
>>
>>Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to
>>all
>>
>>Bob Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Colyergreg@aol.com
>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>>
>>
>> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>> it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>> flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
>>
>> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think
>> about doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
>> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Bob,
I dont know where you've been but I have been trying to sell my 29 for over
2 years. I actually offered to give it away if you took my CJ with it. Out
of the blue I got a buyer and I jumped at $45k as if I had won the lottery,
and thats for a nice plane with low hours, tail dolly, 3 sets of new tires,
and all the manuals. My airplane was a stock Czech bird, one of the first 10
that Bill brought in.
Another buddy of mine bought a show quality L-39 complete with detailed
cockpits, Garmin 430's in both cockpits, show quality paint for $250 2 years
ago, before prices really tanked.
This is for a plane that gets better fuel mileage, great Air conditioning,
Antilock breaks, hots seats and good baggage space. If you have the cash and
you really want one, you can find a real nice C model with 1000 hr engines
for under $200k.
Other than Bill, there arent many people that know about the airplane and
willing to sign off on annuals on L-29's. If you're an A&P well thats a
different story.
Good luck if a fuel control unit goes, or the electronic ignition box goes
Tango Uniform. Parts are only going to get more and more difficult to find
for the 29. Try to buy tires.
I liked my 29 andit was way cool when I bought it 7 years ago, but reality
set in, and I was glad that I got some of my money out of it. Anyone who
thinks they can get $60k out of their airplane is just not facing facts.
On 7/31/07, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>
> John>
>
> Cant help it-got to respond !!
>
> I agree about current L29 resale values. Although part of the problem is
> that someone keeps selling for these low prices. If you could not buy one
> for under $50,000 that would be the new bottom. I have a tiny concern
> that the L-39 could eventually find a similar fate. A great great airplane
> !!!!!, but the L-39 engine is expensive to replace, (say average $80,000
> used but serviceable) ( $135,000 zero overhaul) not so easy to find and
> will
> probably become much more expensive as the fleet of ageing USA L-39
> engines
> start to run out. All that said, where in the world could you find a
> nicer airplane overall !!!!!
>
>
> From: "Jon Boede" <jonboede@hotmail.com>
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:16 PM
> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> >
> > Normally I just lurk here. :-)
> >
> > If you're going to spend money on an L-29... put in a Viper
> engine. IMHO
> > I've seen several VERY nice L-29s that the owner would have taken $40k
> to
> > get out of.
> >
> > Some day, when all of the other jet warbirds are grounded and the L-29
> is
> > still flying by virtue of the genius of its simpleness, the price will
> > start to come back up, providing that Jet-A is not $10 a gallon by then.
> > But it's like a roach motel for money now... the money goes in, it's
> > satisfying, but the money doesn't come back out. :-)
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >>From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
> >>To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
> >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:58 -0500
> >>
> >>If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
> >>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy
> a
> >>flying
> >>certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I
> >>love mine but everytime I think about
> >>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
> >> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. ""
> >>
> >>
> >> I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to
> $100,000
> >> or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether
> you
> >> get it all
> >> back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to
> be
> >> quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance
> and
> >> easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be
> >> $295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
> >> something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this
> >> year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they
> were
> >> nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29
> >> being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history
> >> and you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not
> >> many elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box
> >> flyers.
> >>
> >>
> >>Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to
> >>all
> >>
> >>Bob Schwartz
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Colyergreg@aol.com
> >> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM
> >> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
> >>
> >>
> >> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in
> dough,
> >> it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy
> a
> >> flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
> >>
> >> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think
> >> about doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I
> stop
> >> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Get a 24V samarium cobalt motor (Like they use on scooters) and connect it
to a Sanden 505 compressor, then buy an aftermarket condensing unit. Startup
current draw is about 70 amps, will then settel to about 40 amps. You still
need to get rid of condensation. I've been working this problem on and off
for several years. This is the best bet. Another idea was to buy these teeny
little window units that they sell in SAMs club for about $80. Seperate the
condensing unit from the evaporator and then use a 24V 2500 watt inverter.
Ernie
On 7/31/07, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Need some help you L29 guru's Especially from Bill
>
>
> Looking at a concept to get Freon air in the L29 cockpit. Now , I need to
> see what I have left for generator amperage after running all necessary
> components. We know gen is 100 amp 28 volt permissible 30 amps for
> 30
> min per manual
>
> In theory the electric compressor will not cycle on until after engine
> start. So, 100 amp gen. What's available for the new a/c
>
> Lets discuss what's running.
> 1. Invertors for attitude indicator_____ amps
> 2. low pressure fuel pump electric_____ amps
> 3. day switch lights etc______ amps
> 4. igniters cycle off
> 5. avionics ________amps depends on aircraft but an average say
> 6. I need about 50 to 60 amps max in cruise . Do we have it??
>
> BOB
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "franknlynn" <franklynn19@westnet.com.au>
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:51 PM
> Subject: L29-List: Viper Engine
>
>
> >
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > I have sent e-mails to those guys and got zero reply. Perhaps because I
> am
> > in Australia they don't want to be bothered with me. I was particularly
> > interested in their wet wing mod also but...nothin'.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
> > Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 7:17 AM
> > To: l29-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
> >
> >
> > Normally I just lurk here. :-)
> >
> > If you're going to spend money on an L-29... put in a Viper
> engine. IMHO
> > I've seen several VERY nice L-29s that the owner would have taken $40k
> to
> > get out of.
> >
> > Some day, when all of the other jet warbirds are grounded and the L-29
> is
> > still flying by virtue of the genius of its simpleness, the price will
> > start
> >
> > to come back up, providing that Jet-A is not $10 a gallon by then. But
> > it's
> >
> > like a roach motel for money now... the money goes in, it's satisfying,
> > but
> > the money doesn't come back out. :-)
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >>From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
> >>To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> >>Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
> >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:58 -0500
> >>
> >>If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
> >>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy
> a
> >>flying
> >>certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I
> >>love mine but everytime I think about
> >>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
> >> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. ""
> >>
> >>
> >> I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to
> $100,000
> >> or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether
> you
> >>get it all
> >> back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to
> be
> >> quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance
> and
> >> easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be
> >> $295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
> >> something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this
> >> year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they
> were
> >>nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29
> >> being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history
> >> and
> >
> >>you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not many
> >>elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box flyers.
> >>
> >>
> >>Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to
> >>all
> >>
> >>Bob Schwartz
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Colyergreg@aol.com
> >> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM
> >> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
> >>
> >>
> >> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in
> dough,
> >>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy
> a
> >>flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
> >>
> >> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think
> >> about
> >
> >>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
> >>myself.
> >
> >> I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Hi, what is OY registration ?
Mine is in France, russian registration
Bests
Jean de Roubin
Le 30 juil. 07 03:50, Lasse Rungholm a crit :
> Hi Greg
>
> I would very much like such a CD as well. Can you send one to me???
>
> We operate L29 OY-LSD in Denmark.
> Best regards
>
> OPMAS
>
>
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>
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> Colyergreg@aol.com
> Sendt: ma 30-07-2007 15:38
> Til: l29-list@matronics.com
> Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> I have all the manuals, parts books and everything on CD. I can
> burn you a copy and send it to you..
>
> Greg
>
>
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That would be the T-38
----- Original Message -----
From: "David M." <ainut@hiwaay.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
nice looking bird. I thought the T-33 was the ones the US astronauts fly
around in; much smaller plane than in the picture.
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
>
> He is asking EUR 100K but I am sure he will sell for a lot less:
>
> http://www.avbuyer.com/AircraftSales/AircraftResults.asp?ListId=10&AircraftManufacturerId=1242&subList=1229&NumberPerPage=10
>
> Best regards
> OPMAS
>
> Lawyer Lasse Rungholm, CEO, CPL MEIR
> lr@opmas.dk
>
> _________________________________
> Tel.: +45 70 20 00 51
> Fax: +45 70 20 00 61
>
> OPM Aviation Services ApS
> EU VAT DK25208463
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> Denmark
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> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne af David M.
> Sendt: 31. juli 2007 23:33
> Til: l29-list@matronics.com
> Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> define 'reasonable' :)
>
> David M.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:04 AM
> Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> My brother has a T33 for sale in Denmark for a very reasonable price if
> anyone is interested. Flyable but out of annual.
>
> Lasse
>
> ________________________________
>
> Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com p vegne af Colyergreg@aol.com
> Sendt: ti 31-07-2007 13:54
> Til: l29-list@matronics.com
> Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
> it's
> a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
> flying
> certified good a/c for about 35K.
>
> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
> doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
> myself.
> I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
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Greg,
I think you need to start burning CD's and send one to all of us.
Appreciate the help.
Bill
Are Pete Taylor and Jack still alive?????
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Is 100K EU about 180K US?
Here they sell for $125k in perfect condition. So he is a little high.
Thanks for the info.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
He is asking EUR 100K but I am sure he will sell for a lot less:
http://www.avbuyer.com/AircraftSales/AircraftResults.asp?ListId=10&AircraftManufacturerId=1242&subList=1229&NumberPerPage=10
Best regards
OPMAS
Lawyer Lasse Rungholm, CEO, CPL MEIR
lr@opmas.dk
_________________________________
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Fax: +45 70 20 00 61
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Denmark
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[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] P vegne af David M.
Sendt: 31. juli 2007 23:33
Til: l29-list@matronics.com
Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
define 'reasonable' :)
David M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
My brother has a T33 for sale in Denmark for a very reasonable price if
anyone is interested. Flyable but out of annual.
Lasse
________________________________
Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com p vegne af Colyergreg@aol.com
Sendt: ti 31-07-2007 13:54
Til: l29-list@matronics.com
Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough, it's
a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a flying
certified good a/c for about 35K.
They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think about
doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop myself.
I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
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| Subject: | Re: Viper Engine |
what info do you want. I have a Viper.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "franknlynn" <franklynn19@westnet.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: L29-List: Viper Engine
>
> Jon,
>
> I have sent e-mails to those guys and got zero reply. Perhaps because I am
> in Australia they don't want to be bothered with me. I was particularly
> interested in their wet wing mod also but...nothin'.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 7:17 AM
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> Normally I just lurk here. :-)
>
> If you're going to spend money on an L-29... put in a Viper engine. IMHO
> I've seen several VERY nice L-29s that the owner would have taken $40k to
> get out of.
>
> Some day, when all of the other jet warbirds are grounded and the L-29 is
> still flying by virtue of the genius of its simpleness, the price will
> start
>
> to come back up, providing that Jet-A is not $10 a gallon by then. But
> it's
>
> like a roach motel for money now... the money goes in, it's satisfying,
> but
> the money doesn't come back out. :-)
>
> Jon
>
>
>>From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>>To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:58 -0500
>>
>>If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>>flying
>>certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I
>>love mine but everytime I think about
>>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
>> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. ""
>>
>>
>> I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to $100,000
>> or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether you
>>get it all
>> back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to be
>> quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance and
>> easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be
>> $295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
>> something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this
>> year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they were
>>nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29
>> being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history
>> and
>
>>you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not many
>>elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box flyers.
>>
>>
>>Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to
>>all
>>
>>Bob Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Colyergreg@aol.com
>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>>
>>
>> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>>flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
>>
>> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think
>> about
>
>>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
>>myself.
>
>> I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | L-29 Tires & Parts |
Looks like I've sold my L-29.
Does anyone need new main tires and new nose tire.
Now's the chance to pick up some fresh rubber here in the US!!!
We brought in a bunch of L-29 junk... ah... I mean valuable parts, and so
now I have all sorts of good stuff in my hangar, but no airplane to use the
stuff.
NEW:
Main wheel and brake, Hydraulic pumps, Generators, Start box, Low Pressure
Fuel Pump, Fire bottle explosive squibs, Canopies, Main Landing Gear, New Pan
Head Wing Screws, etc, etc....
Also, factory jacks, tail stand and canopy stand. All of this stuff is
HARD to find.
Let me know.
Scott Douglass
Reno, NV
_SD737@AOL.COM_ (mailto:SD737@AOL.COM)
775-853-1946
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EXACTLY!!!!
They are like cash Dumpsters! If you put money into them you're just
throwing it away because the market is SO bad you will Never see your money back
out of it.
You would be better off coming here to Reno and going double or nothing!
Oh well, I guess it's all fun!
Happy flying.
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Just wait until you get the fuel bill for the L-29.
I also fly a Lancair 360 which has a Lycoming 180 hp IO360 that burns 9gph
and isn't much slower than an L-29 but the fuel bill makes for a HUGE
difference!
When I fly a jet that burns 180 gph I'm gonna be flying the L-39.... Higher,
faster, further....
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You can affort to buy an L-29.
The fuel burn/bill/$$$ is a whole different issue.
Four hours of flying in the L-29 equals roughly 640 gallons X $4.00 a gallon
= $2,560 which equals me on the beach in Mexico on vacation getting DRUNK!!!
Hmmm...... four hours of jacking around sweating my ass off in the summer
months or a week's vacation??
Let me think about that...
Viva Mexico!!!!
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Bob,
If you want A/C buy a L-39! Works great, lasts long time!
You'll like it!
You coming out for the Reno Air Races in September? I'll set you up with a
FREE pit pass.
Let me know,
Scott
Reno, NV
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Hi Earnie,
I second that!! You're right on the mark! Fuel is only going to go up and
up as the world wide demand increases!
Also, the more fuel goes up, the more these things become "boat anchors".
Pete says he will put his on a post and make a gate guard when the time
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HI Greg,
I'll take a CD while you're burning them. I told my buyer that I would give
him one.
Thanks,
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Hi
It is OY-RUT. He is asking for EUR 100K (120k USD app) but he knows he
wont get it. Just give him a reasonable offer. Everything is available
and it is perfectly flyable. Just push the button. Out of annual though.
It is in Denmark. Please write my brother directly at Rungholm@dat.dk or
call him at +45 40 58 37 55. His name is Jesper Rungholm. He is the CEO
of Danish Air Transport. www.dat.dk.
Pictures here:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=OY-RUT&distinct_e
ntry=true
Best regards
OPMAS
Lawyer Lasse Rungholm, CEO, CPL MEIR
lr@opmas.dk
_________________________________
Tel.: +45 70 20 00 51
Fax: +45 70 20 00 61
OPM Aviation Services ApS
EU VAT DK25208463
Soenderborggade 9
DK-8000 Aarhus C
Denmark
6th. VAT TACTICAL WING
www.opmas.dk
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Fra: delfin@mail.pf [mailto:delfin@mail.pf]
Sendt: 1. august 2007 04:52
Til: Lasse Rungholm
Emne: T33
Hi,
I could be interested by the T33.
What is the registration and the price ?
Are the datas awailable ?
Best
Jean de Roubin
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