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1. 12:27 AM - Re: New Guy (David M.)
2. 02:44 AM - Re: Viper Engine (franknlynn)
3. 03:07 AM - Re: L-29 Tires & Parts (franknlynn)
4. 03:16 AM - Re: New Guy (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
5. 03:24 AM - SV: New Guy (Lasse Rungholm)
6. 03:51 AM - The cost to the 'New Guy' (franknlynn)
7. 03:54 AM - Re: New Guy (Jorgen Nielsen)
8. 04:01 AM - SV: New Guy (Lasse Rungholm)
9. 04:06 AM - L-29 ops (franknlynn)
10. 05:54 AM - Re: Viper Engine (Bill)
11. 05:58 AM - Re: New Guy (Bill)
12. 06:00 AM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (Bill)
13. 06:07 AM - Re: New Guy (Bill)
14. 06:11 AM - Re: New Guy (Bill)
15. 06:14 AM - Re: New Guy (Bill)
16. 06:40 AM - Re: Viper Engine (Ernest Martinez)
17. 06:59 AM - Re: Viper Engine (Bill)
18. 07:18 AM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (David M.)
19. 07:44 AM - Re: Viper Engine (Ernest Martinez)
20. 08:02 AM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (SD737@aol.com)
21. 08:08 AM - Re: New Guy (SD737@aol.com)
22. 08:13 AM - New Canopy Cover (SD737@aol.com)
23. 08:16 AM - SV: New Canopy Cover (Lasse Rungholm)
24. 08:32 AM - Re: New Guy (Colyergreg@aol.com)
25. 08:33 AM - Re: New Guy (Colyergreg@aol.com)
26. 08:49 AM - SV: New Guy (Lasse Rungholm)
27. 08:53 AM - Re: SV: New Guy (Colyergreg@aol.com)
28. 09:15 AM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (Ernest Martinez)
29. 09:31 AM - SV: SV: New Guy (Lasse Rungholm)
30. 09:48 AM - Re: (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
31. 10:03 AM - Re: (Ernest Martinez)
32. 10:31 AM - Re: (brian)
33. 10:39 AM - Re: New Canopy Cover (Greg Morris)
34. 10:41 AM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (Bill)
35. 12:12 PM - Re: (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
36. 12:17 PM - Re: (Colyergreg@aol.com)
37. 02:52 PM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (franknlynn)
38. 03:24 PM - Re: Viper Engine (franknlynn)
39. 04:35 PM - Re: Viper Engine (Bill)
40. 04:46 PM - Re: Viper Engine (franknlynn)
41. 04:54 PM - Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (franknlynn)
42. 05:12 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Bill)
43. 05:19 PM - Yo Bill (Ernest Martinez)
44. 05:21 PM - Re: (SD737@aol.com)
45. 05:24 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (delfin@mail.pf)
46. 05:32 PM - Re: (SD737@aol.com)
47. 05:33 PM - Re: (SD737@aol.com)
48. 05:34 PM - Re: (Bill)
49. 05:35 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Bill)
50. 05:40 PM - Re: (Bill)
51. 05:41 PM - Ground Rules (Ernest Martinez)
52. 05:51 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (franknlynn)
53. 06:03 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (delfin@mail.pf)
54. 06:03 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (franknlynn)
55. 06:06 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Bill)
56. 06:07 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (delfin@mail.pf)
57. 06:09 PM - Brakes G-suits, and air (Ernest Martinez)
58. 06:15 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Bill)
59. 06:16 PM - Air Compressors (Ernest Martinez)
60. 06:21 PM - Re: Brakes G-suits, and air (franknlynn)
61. 06:28 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Ernest Martinez)
62. 06:31 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (delfin@mail.pf)
63. 06:33 PM - Re: Brakes G-suits, and air (Ernest Martinez)
64. 06:37 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (franknlynn)
65. 06:37 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (franknlynn)
66. 06:52 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Ernest Martinez)
67. 07:01 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (delfin@mail.pf)
68. 07:44 PM - Bridge (Ernest Martinez)
69. 08:53 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Colyergreg@aol.com)
70. 08:54 PM - Re: (Colyergreg@aol.com)
71. 09:54 PM - Re: L-29 Tires & Parts (gary and ann)
72. 11:01 PM - Official L29-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
73. 11:03 PM - Official L29-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
74. 11:34 PM - Re: L-29 Tires & Parts (Bill)
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thanks, Bill.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill" <czech6@kellin.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
> That would be the T-38
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David M." <ainut@hiwaay.net>
> To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
>
> nice looking bird. I thought the T-33 was the ones the US astronauts fly
> around in; much smaller plane than in the picture.
>
> David M.
>
>
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What have you got Bill? I would be very interested in how they went about
the mod. Any specially produced parts to help mate the two together? What
about the wet wing, did you do that too?
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine
what info do you want. I have a Viper.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "franknlynn" <franklynn19@westnet.com.au>
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: L29-List: Viper Engine
>
> Jon,
>
> I have sent e-mails to those guys and got zero reply. Perhaps because I am
> in Australia they don't want to be bothered with me. I was particularly
> interested in their wet wing mod also but...nothin'.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 7:17 AM
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>
>
> Normally I just lurk here. :-)
>
> If you're going to spend money on an L-29... put in a Viper engine. IMHO
> I've seen several VERY nice L-29s that the owner would have taken $40k to
> get out of.
>
> Some day, when all of the other jet warbirds are grounded and the L-29 is
> still flying by virtue of the genius of its simpleness, the price will
> start
>
> to come back up, providing that Jet-A is not $10 a gallon by then. But
> it's
>
> like a roach motel for money now... the money goes in, it's satisfying,
> but
> the money doesn't come back out. :-)
>
> Jon
>
>
>>From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>>To: <l29-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:58 -0500
>>
>>If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>>flying
>>certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I
>>love mine but everytime I think about
>>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
>> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. ""
>>
>>
>> I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to $100,000
>> or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether you
>>get it all
>> back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to be
>> quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance and
>> easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be
>> $295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be
>> something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this
>> year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they were
>>nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29
>> being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history
>> and
>
>>you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not many
>>elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box flyers.
>>
>>
>>Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to
>>all
>>
>>Bob Schwartz
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Colyergreg@aol.com
>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
>>
>>
>> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough,
>>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a
>>flying certified good a/c for about 35K.
>>
>> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think
>> about
>
>>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop
>>myself.
>
>> I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: | L-29 Tires & Parts |
How much for all that junk Scott?
Frank
Australia
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From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SD737@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: L29-List: L-29 Tires & Parts
Looks like I've sold my L-29.
Does anyone need new main tires and new nose tire.
Now's the chance to pick up some fresh rubber here in the US!!!
We brought in a bunch of L-29 junk... ah... I mean valuable parts, and so
now I have all sorts of good stuff in my hangar, but no airplane to use the
stuff.
NEW:
Main wheel and brake, Hydraulic pumps, Generators, Start box, Low Pressure
Fuel Pump, Fire bottle explosive squibs, Canopies, Main Landing Gear, New
Pan Head Wing Screws, etc, etc....
Also, factory jacks, tail stand and canopy stand. All of this stuff is
HARD to find.
Let me know.
Scott Douglass
Reno, NV
SD737@AOL.COM
775-853-1946
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Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new guy" to
downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I owned. I've
forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on your acquisition,
and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being a L-29 owner.
BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all levels of
aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably alway be in the
lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe, just maybe, I can fly
my Mustang II, and start a collection of static jet warbirds? That could be
cool too!
Boyce
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But but but
If you own an L29 there SHOULD be lots of people out there who will be
willing to pay a large enough amount of money for a back seat ride to
lessen the burden of maintaining the bird. Here we actually give
backseat rides at a rate of 1000 USD for 1/2 hour. OK - this is not the
US where everyone flies but again. Give it some thought.
Our Dolphin:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=&ai
rlinesearch=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=
oy-lsd&range=&sort_order=&page_limit=15&thumbnails=&calccount=1
183804&truecount=true&engine_version=6.0
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Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com p=E5 vegne af RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
Sendt: on 01-08-2007 12:04
Til: l29-list@matronics.com
Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy
Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new
guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I
owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on
your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being
a L-29 owner.
BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all
levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably
alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe,
just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static
jet warbirds? That could be cool too!
Boyce
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Subject: | The cost to the 'New Guy' |
Hi Boyce,
I am the new guy, Frank from Australia. Don't worry about the fuel thing too
much. Fuel prices go up, inflation goes up, wages go up (over time!) and
then we are back where we were 2 years ago; just the numerical value is
higher. One day a can of Coke will be $10 or more it all goes around my
friend. If we do run out then shoot, at least you won't die wondering. My
philosophy is, "you can't take it with you when you go", or is that."you're
gone a long time", no, I've got it now."the person who dies with the most
toys wins"!
Scott is lucky, he has had his time in the sun and more power to him. I wish
I was in his position to decide because it would mean I have already made
it.
Oh and I see this kind of topic change on another list I am with and the
thread is totally lost. It takes two seconds to delete the subject and
change it to something more appropriate. No big deal, don't sweat the small
stuff.
Ciao,
Frank
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[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new guy"
to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I owned.
I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on your
acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being a L-29
owner.
BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all levels of
aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably alway be in the
lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe, just maybe, I can fly
my Mustang II, and start a collection of static jet warbirds? That could be
cool too!
Boyce
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Agree re the sentiments.
>From my side as L29 owner for a couple years now, I love the aircraft and
have no plans to sell it, and will happily spend money improving it, even
knowing I won't recover any "investment".
There are a lot of good things associated with L29.
Low acquisition cost.
Simple and relatively cheap to service / maintain.
It's a fully aerobatic military jet that is damn fun to fly. Takeoff &
initial climb is pedestrian but once you up there and cleaned up its really
cool.
If you try and use or compare it to any commuter type aerie you buying the
wrong aircraft. If you can spare the cash to buy it, to maintain it
properly and fuel it, and you buy it to have fun flying aerobatic sorties
and generally misbehaving ( :-) ) then you won't be disappointed.
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[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
Sent: 01 August 2007 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new guy"
to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I owned.
I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on your
acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being a L-29
owner.
BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all levels of
aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably alway be in the
lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe, just maybe, I can fly
my Mustang II, and start a collection of static jet warbirds? That could be
cool too!
Boyce
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I TOTALLY AGREE. You can not find any other aircraft that will be as
much fun for such a small amount of money. What you use more for fuel
you will easily spend on maintenance, insurance and avionics on other
more boring aircraft.
Yes - we would all like a L39 but this L29 of ours is a hell of a lot of
fun for a lot less money and we have spent almost 100K to get it and get
it certified here in Denmark but it has all been well spent.
Jorgen - did you send the valve??? We need it urgently...
Lasse
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Sendt: on 01-08-2007 12:51
Til: l29-list@matronics.com
Emne: RE: L29-List: New Guy
Agree re the sentiments.
>From my side as L29 owner for a couple years now, I love the aircraft
and have no plans to sell it, and will happily spend money improving it,
even knowing I won't recover any "investment".
There are a lot of good things associated with L29.
Low acquisition cost.
Simple and relatively cheap to service / maintain.
It's a fully aerobatic military jet that is damn fun to fly. Takeoff &
initial climb is pedestrian but once you up there and cleaned up its
really cool.
If you try and use or compare it to any commuter type aerie you buying
the wrong aircraft. If you can spare the cash to buy it, to maintain it
properly and fuel it, and you buy it to have fun flying aerobatic
sorties and generally misbehaving ( :-) ) then you won't be
disappointed.
________________________________
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
Sent: 01 August 2007 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new
guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I
owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on
your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being
a L-29 owner.
BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all
levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably
alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe,
just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static
jet warbirds? That could be cool too!
Boyce
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Nice looking jet Lasse,
We in Australia have a category called "Limited" and under this category we
can take commercially paying passengers for 'adventure type joy flights' to
experience a unique type of aircraft that they wouldn't normally experience
in any other way. This is how I intend to operate my aircraft and like you
it can help to lessen the burden of operating these thirsty aeroplanes.
Frank
Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lasse Rungholm
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 8:21 PM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
But but but
If you own an L29 there SHOULD be lots of people out there who will be
willing to pay a large enough amount of money for a back seat ride to lessen
the burden of maintaining the bird. Here we actually give backseat rides at
a rate of 1000 USD for 1/2 hour. OK - this is not the US where everyone
flies but again. Give it some thought.
Our Dolphin:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=&airline
search=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=oy-lsd&range=&sort
_order=&page_limit=15&thumbnails=&calccount=1183804&truecount=true&engine_ve
rsion=6.0
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Subject: | Re: Viper Engine |
Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new motor
mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this
viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little
things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more
amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery.
If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big
Bucks!!
The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know)
6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute.
90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too!
I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them. Leaks.
Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours
flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet jockey's
might have a much tougher ass.
Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the
wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s.
How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to remind
the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and we
can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy
owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the L-29
and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great
times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on
now, admit it.
Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay. When
I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was
the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that after
the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but
still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?)
Play nice and still have fun.
Bill
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Absolutely!
Like I said, deep down in their hardened hearts, they all regret selling.
Its like cutting off your hand! Or?
A friend of mine has a T6 and a jet. He does approx. 52 "Fly-bys during the
year. Parades, County fairs, Funerals etc. Gets $600 for the jet and $350
for the T6. Free flying!! He put together an 18 ship fly-by for veterens
day. It was cool. Free flying!!
Its out there. Just look.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:20 AM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
But but but
If you own an L29 there SHOULD be lots of people out there who will be
willing to pay a large enough amount of money for a back seat ride to lessen
the burden of maintaining the bird. Here we actually give backseat rides at
a rate of 1000 USD for 1/2 hour. OK - this is not the US where everyone
flies but again. Give it some thought.
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Subject: | Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' |
The voice of reason.
"Two's in"
----- Original Message -----
From: franknlynn
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:51 AM
Subject: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy'
Hi Boyce,
I am the new guy, Frank from Australia. Don't worry about the fuel
thing too much. Fuel prices go up, inflation goes up, wages go up (over
time!) and then we are back where we were 2 years ago; just the
numerical value is higher. One day a can of Coke will be $10 or more it
all goes around my friend. If we do run out then shoot, at least you
won't die wondering. My philosophy is, "you can't take it with you when
you go", or is that."you're gone a long time", no, I've got it now."the
person who dies with the most toys wins"!
Scott is lucky, he has had his time in the sun and more power to him.
I wish I was in his position to decide because it would mean I have
already made it.
Oh and I see this kind of topic change on another list I am with and
the thread is totally lost. It takes two seconds to delete the subject
and change it to something more appropriate. No big deal, don't sweat
the small stuff.
Ciao,
Frank
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Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new
guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I
owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on
your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being
a L-29 owner.
BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all
levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably
alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe,
just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static
jet warbirds? That could be cool too!
Boyce
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My hero!
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From: Jorgen Nielsen
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:51 AM
Subject: RE: L29-List: New Guy
Agree re the sentiments.
From my side as L29 owner for a couple years now, I love the aircraft
and have no plans to sell it, and will happily spend money improving it,
even knowing I won't recover any "investment".
There are a lot of good things associated with L29.
Low acquisition cost.
Simple and relatively cheap to service / maintain.
It's a fully aerobatic military jet that is damn fun to fly. Takeoff
& initial climb is pedestrian but once you up there and cleaned up its
really cool.
If you try and use or compare it to any commuter type aerie you buying
the wrong aircraft. If you can spare the cash to buy it, to maintain it
properly and fuel it, and you buy it to have fun flying aerobatic
sorties and generally misbehaving ( J ) then you won't be
disappointed.
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I owned 2 L-39's. Free and clear. Sold them both when the FAA got
involved. Good decision. The L-39 is a white collar jet. I am a blue
collar guy as is my airplane. L-39 is a nice airplane. I have buddies
that will let me fly theirs, so I don't have to own one. Good for me.
They are both on the hunt for new motors (spares) Can't seem to find or
afford them without selling their homes.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Lasse Rungholm
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:59 AM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
I TOTALLY AGREE. You can not find any other aircraft that will be as
much fun for such a small amount of money. What you use more for fuel
you will easily spend on maintenance, insurance and avionics on other
more boring aircraft.
Yes - we would all like a L39 but this L29 of ours is a hell of a lot
of fun for a lot less money and we have spent almost 100K to get it and
get it certified here in Denmark but it has all been well spent.
Jorgen - did you send the valve??? We need it urgently...
Lasse
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Emne: RE: L29-List: New Guy
Agree re the sentiments.
From my side as L29 owner for a couple years now, I love the aircraft
and have no plans to sell it, and will happily spend money improving it,
even knowing I won't recover any "investment".
There are a lot of good things associated with L29.
Low acquisition cost.
Simple and relatively cheap to service / maintain.
It's a fully aerobatic military jet that is damn fun to fly. Takeoff
& initial climb is pedestrian but once you up there and cleaned up its
really cool.
If you try and use or compare it to any commuter type aerie you buying
the wrong aircraft. If you can spare the cash to buy it, to maintain it
properly and fuel it, and you buy it to have fun flying aerobatic
sorties and generally misbehaving ( J ) then you won't be
disappointed.
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Sent: 01 August 2007 12:05 PM
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy
Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new
guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I
owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on
your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being
a L-29 owner.
BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all
levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably
alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe,
just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static
jet warbirds? That could be cool too!
Boyce
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That is a great web site. Cool pix. Oh, the jet is nice too.
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From: "Lasse Rungholm" <lr@opmas.dk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:20 AM
Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy
But but but
If you own an L29 there SHOULD be lots of people out there who will be
willing to pay a large enough amount of money for a back seat ride to lessen
the burden of maintaining the bird. Here we actually give backseat rides at
a rate of 1000 USD for 1/2 hour. OK - this is not the US where everyone
flies but again. Give it some thought.
Our Dolphin:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=&airlinesearch=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=oy-lsd&range=&sort_order=&page_limit=15&thumbnails=&calccount=1183804&truecount=true&engine_version=6.0
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Subject: | Re: Viper Engine |
Sellers remorse???? You should have seen the smile on my face when I saw it
fly away :) Really I had mixed feelings, I did really like the thing, but
what good is it, if I cant get it annualed, and cant afford to fly it. I
took the money abd bought my boat, and my hangard is getting dry walled and
airconditioned as we speak.
BTW how did the inspection go with Bill C. Was he happy with the plane?
Ernie
On 8/1/07, Bill <czech6@kellin.net> wrote:
>
>
> Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new
> motor
> mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this
> viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little
> things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more
> amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery.
> If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big
> Bucks!!
>
> The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know)
>
> 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute.
> 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too!
>
> I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them.
> Leaks.
> Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours
> flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet
> jockey's
> might have a much tougher ass.
>
> Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the
> wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s.
>
> How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to
> remind
> the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and
> we
> can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy
> owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the
> L-29
> and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great
> times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on
> now, admit it.
>
> Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay.
> When
> I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was
> the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that
> after
> the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but
> still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?)
>
> Play nice and still have fun.
>
> Bill
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Viper Engine |
Went well. 110% humidity!
He likes it. We flew about 5 hours while I was there. I think I might go
down and finish him up if he wants.
Are you going to have dances in the hanger?
Whats the latest CJ6 news?
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From: Ernest Martinez
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine
Sellers remorse???? You should have seen the smile on my face when I
saw it fly away :) Really I had mixed feelings, I did really like the
thing, but what good is it, if I cant get it annualed, and cant afford
to fly it. I took the money abd bought my boat, and my hangard is
getting dry walled and airconditioned as we speak.
BTW how did the inspection go with Bill C. Was he happy with the
plane?
Ernie
On 8/1/07, Bill <czech6@kellin.net > wrote:
Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build
new motor
mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses
this
viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the
little
things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit
more
amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery.
If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator
unit. Big
Bucks!!
The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know)
6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute.
90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster
too!
I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them.
Leaks.
Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2
hours
flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet
jockey's
might have a much tougher ass.
Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500
for the
wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s.
How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need
to remind
the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to
much, and we
can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be
happy
owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing
the L-29
and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the
great
times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!!
Come on
now, admit it.
Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats
okay. When
I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think
it was
the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit
that after
the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my
wisdom, but
still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is
that?)
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Subject: | Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' |
"Hi Boyce,
I am the new guy, Frank from Australia.... My philosophy is, "you
can't take it with you when you go", or is that."you're gone a long
time", no, I've got it now."the person who dies with the most toys
wins"!
<<<snip>>>
And then the wife sells everything for 10 cents on the dollar.
David M.
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Subject: | Re: Viper Engine |
Gonna have a hangar party when done. CJ is fine, I finally washed her, and
she looks good enough to date :)
Ernie
On 8/1/07, Bill <czech6@kellin.net> wrote:
>
> Went well. 110% humidity!
> He likes it. We flew about 5 hours while I was there. I think I might go
> down and finish him up if he wants.
>
> Are you going to have dances in the hanger?
>
> Whats the latest CJ6 news?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> *To:* l29-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:34 AM
> *Subject:* Re: L29-List: Viper Engine
>
> Sellers remorse???? You should have seen the smile on my face when I saw
> it fly away :) Really I had mixed feelings, I did really like the thing, but
> what good is it, if I cant get it annualed, and cant afford to fly it. I
> took the money abd bought my boat, and my hangard is getting dry walled and
> airconditioned as we speak.
>
> BTW how did the inspection go with Bill C. Was he happy with the plane?
>
> Ernie
>
> On 8/1/07, Bill <czech6@kellin.net > wrote:
>
> >
> > Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new
> > motor
> > mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this
> > viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the
> > little
> > things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more
> > amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery.
> > If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit.
> > Big
> > Bucks!!
> >
> > The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know)
> >
> > 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute.
> > 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too!
> >
> > I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them.
> > Leaks.
> > Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2
> > hours
> > flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet
> > jockey's
> > might have a much tougher ass.
> >
> > Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for
> > the
> > wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s.
> >
> > How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to
> > remind
> > the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much,
> > and we
> > can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy
> > owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the
> > L-29
> > and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the
> > great
> > times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on
> > now, admit it.
> >
> > Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay.
> > When
> > I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it
> > was
> > the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that
> > after
> > the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom,
> > but
> > still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?)
> >
> > *
> >
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List
> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> > *
> >
> > *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' |
Hi Frank,
Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or Delta or
American or USAir.....
I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push the
throttles up on a jet engine. :-)
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HI Bill,
That's what I've figured out. Why own one (L-29 or L-39) when you can fly a
friend's plane and "just add fuel", albeit, LOTS of fuel.... Lol...
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Subject: | New Canopy Cover |
Anyone out there interested in saving some $ on a NEW Bruce's Custom Covers
L-29 canopy cover?
Scott
Reno, NV
775-853-1946
SD737@AOL.COM
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Subject: | New Canopy Cover |
We are buyers for different stuff but we ned some prices???
Lasse, Denmark
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Emne: L29-List: New Canopy Cover
Anyone out there interested in saving some $ on a NEW Bruce's Custom
Covers L-29 canopy cover?
Scott
Reno, NV
775-853-1946
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How much for the T-33?
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I just got typed and was looking for one....
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Asking 100K EUR but will go for much lower
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is that the one with canadian markings? would he go for 80K US?
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Subject: | Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' |
Since I bought my plane (2000) fuel prices have more than tripled, my income
has not.
Ernie
On 8/1/07, SD737@aol.com <SD737@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Frank,
>
> Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or Delta or
> American or USAir.....
>
> I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push the
> throttles up on a jet engine. :-)
>
> Safe flying guys!
>
>
> ------------------------------
> .
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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http://www.avbuyer.com/AircraftSales/AircraftResults.asp?ListId=10&Airc
raftManufacturerId=1242&subList=1229&NumberPerPage=10
<http://www.avbuyer.com/AircraftSales/AircraftResults.asp?ListId=10&Air
craftManufacturerId=1242&subList=1229&NumberPerPage=10>
It is OY-RUT. He is asking for EUR 100K (120k USD app) but he knows he
wont get it. Just give him a reasonable offer. Everything is available
and it is perfectly flyable. Just push the button. Out of annual though.
It is in Denmark. Please write my brother directly at Rungholm@dat.dk or
call him at +45 40 58 37 55. His name is Jesper Rungholm. He is the CEO
of Danish Air Transport. www.dat.dk.
Pictures here:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=OY-RUT&distinct_
entry=true
<http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=OY-RUT&distinct
_entry=true>
I think he might let it go for 80K US.
Best regards
OPMAS
Lawyer Lasse Rungholm, CEO, CPL MEIR
lr@opmas.dk <mailto:lr@opmas.dk>
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is that the one with canadian markings? would he go for 80K US?
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Well, I've read everyone's comments. I really don't think the L-29 is
the issue or buying an L-39 for 3, 4 or 5 times the money will solve the
problem. Lets face it !! The fuel prices have climbed at such a crazy
rate that it makes flying the jets for most of us difficult at best.
At my airport the FBO is at $4.90 per gal. So a couple laps around the
pattern is $1,000. Its tough and the trip to Oshkosh this year was
about a $2,000 splash. Everyone flying the jets needs to look into
alternate methods of fueling the aircraft. i.e., bringing kerosene to
the plane in a tank, trailer whatever. Most places kerosene is in the
$2.65 to $3.00 per gal range. Certainly better than $4 or 5.
Even for the well healed guys if Jet A keeps going up, its going to be
tough to fly much. For me, its hard to even stay current in the L-29. A
lot of the enthusiasm is goes fast when a fly in breakfast costs $1,500
or $2,000. But for me , its still a life long dream and every minute
of jet time is exciting, just very costly . I guess it becomes
priorities in each of our respective lives. Its important enough to me
still, to put some other luxuries aside to get that hour or 2 a month
in, But I can understand how many of you have sold the planes and
moved on. Its a big eat. Best of luck to all. (yes Ernie you had a
really nice L29) sorry you sold but I really understand.
BOB
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy'
Since I bought my plane (2000) fuel prices have more than tripled, my
income has not.
Ernie
On 8/1/07, SD737@aol.com <SD737@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Frank,
Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or
Delta or American or USAir.....
I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push
the throttles up on a jet engine. :-)
Safe flying guys!
AOL.com.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Whoa Bob, you gotta move to a place where you can have a fuel tank. I was
getting K1 for $2.85 and that was way too much for me. At $4.90 I would have
poured dirt in the cockpit and made a real cool planter :)
Ernie
On 8/1/07, ROBERT SCHWARTZ <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> Well, I've read everyone's comments. I really don't think the L-29 is
> the issue or buying an L-39 for 3, 4 or 5 times the money will solve the
> problem. Lets face it !! The fuel prices have climbed at such a crazy rate
> that it makes flying the jets for most of us difficult at best.
>
> At my airport the FBO is at $4.90 per gal. So a couple laps around the
> pattern is $1,000. Its tough and the trip to Oshkosh this year was about a
> $2,000 splash. Everyone flying the jets needs to look into alternate
> methods of fueling the aircraft. i.e., bringing kerosene to the plane in
> a tank, trailer whatever. Most places kerosene is in the $2.65 to $3.00 per
> gal range. Certainly better than $4 or 5.
>
> Even for the well healed guys if Jet A keeps going up, its going to be
> tough to fly much. For me, its hard to even stay current in the L-29. A lot
> of the enthusiasm is goes fast when a fly in breakfast costs $1,500 or
> $2,000. But for me , its still a life long dream and every minute of jet
> time is exciting, just very costly . I guess it becomes priorities in each
> of our respective lives. Its important enough to me still, to put some other
> luxuries aside to get that hour or 2 a month in, But I can understand how
> many of you have sold the planes and moved on. Its a big eat. Best of luck
> to all. (yes Ernie you had a really nice L29) sorry you sold but I really
> understand.
>
> BOB
> <schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> *To:* l29-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:15 AM
> *Subject:* Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy'
>
> Since I bought my plane (2000) fuel prices have more than tripled, my
> income has not.
>
> Ernie
>
> On 8/1/07, SD737@aol.com <SD737@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Frank,
> >
> > Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or Delta
> > or American or USAir.....
> >
> > I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push the
> > throttles up on a jet engine. :-)
> >
> > Safe flying guys!
> >
> >
> >
> > AOL.com.
> >
> > *
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com
> >
> >
> >
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List
> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> >
> > *
> >
> > *
>
>
> *
>
>
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bob I could not agree with you more. thats the only way I can fly. I
can't for the life of me figure out if this is the l-29 list or the anti
L-29 list. to each there own I guess. I will fly mine as long as I
can... then when I cant afford the fuel any more I will keep flying
it!!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List:
Well, I've read everyone's comments. I really don't think the L-29 is
the issue or buying an L-39 for 3, 4 or 5 times the money will solve the
problem. Lets face it !! The fuel prices have climbed at such a crazy
rate that it makes flying the jets for most of us difficult at best.
At my airport the FBO is at $4.90 per gal. So a couple laps around the
pattern is $1,000. Its tough and the trip to Oshkosh this year was
about a $2,000 splash. Everyone flying the jets needs to look into
alternate methods of fueling the aircraft. i.e., bringing kerosene to
the plane in a tank, trailer whatever. Most places kerosene is in the
$2.65 to $3.00 per gal range. Certainly better than $4 or 5.
Even for the well healed guys if Jet A keeps going up, its going to
be tough to fly much. For me, its hard to even stay current in the
L-29. A lot of the enthusiasm is goes fast when a fly in breakfast costs
$1,500 or $2,000. But for me , its still a life long dream and every
minute of jet time is exciting, just very costly . I guess it becomes
priorities in each of our respective lives. Its important enough to me
still, to put some other luxuries aside to get that hour or 2 a month
in, But I can understand how many of you have sold the planes and
moved on. Its a big eat. Best of luck to all. (yes Ernie you had a
really nice L29) sorry you sold but I really understand.
BOB
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy'
Since I bought my plane (2000) fuel prices have more than tripled,
my income has not.
Ernie
On 8/1/07, SD737@aol.com <SD737@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Frank,
Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or
Delta or American or USAir.....
I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push
the throttles up on a jet engine. :-)
Safe flying guys!
AOL.com.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List
http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?L29-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: New Canopy Cover |
Scott,
We are interested in purchasing one, how much do you
want for it?
Greg Morris
---- Original message ----
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:13:23 EDT
From: SD737@aol.com
Subject: L29-List: New Canopy Cover
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Anyone out there interested in saving some $ on a
NEW Bruce's Custom Covers
L-29 canopy cover?
Scott
Reno, NV
775-853-1946
SD737@AOL.COM
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Subject: | Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' |
No, her boy friend has a nice jet!
----- Original Message -----
From: David M.
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy'
"Hi Boyce,
I am the new guy, Frank from Australia.... My philosophy is, "you
can't take it with you when you go", or is that."you're gone a long
time", no, I've got it now."the person who dies with the most toys
wins"!
<<<snip>>>
And then the wife sells everything for 10 cents on the dollar.
David M.
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Here's another reason to like the L-29...Thsi from the T-28 list I get mail
on:
Just a note to let the R1300 guys know that Aircraft Clyinder has all
parts required to rebuild the R1300. They have hundreds of cylinders,
and all the harder to find parts. (crank shaft, pins for the counter
weights, master rods, ect). They can build you an engine for 40K, and
rebuild yours for around 31K.
Certainly nothing against the T-28's. I love them too!
bOYCE
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I love my L-29 and won't trade it or sell it for anything. It's a jet and
it's mine. Even if I buy something else I will always love the '29. It's
dependable, flys great and it's mine and I am not rich. Greg
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Subject: | The cost to the 'New Guy' |
Come on guys, what kind of a world would we live in if everything went up at
the same time? I said, and it was conveniently left out,"wages go up (over
time!)". The reality is that fuel was cheap for a very long time. At least
it was down hear in Aus. I now pay about $1.50 a liter for av-gas down here
which is about $5.67 per US gallon. How does that compare with av-gas in the
'States? I don't know about Jet-A prices.yet!
Frank
_____
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 2:15 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy'
Since I bought my plane (2000) fuel prices have more than tripled, my income
has not.
Ernie
On 8/1/07, SD737@aol.com <SD737@aol.com> wrote:
Hi Frank,
Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or Delta or
American or USAir.....
I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push the
throttles up on a jet engine. :-)
Safe flying guys!
AOL.com.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Hi Bill,
Thanks for that. I thought the wet wing might have some problems. I am very
interested in the Viper but at the moment I can see $75,000.00 would be
better spent on a spare engine and fuel and maybe a spare aircraft going on
current prices! It is something worth considering though if original engines
and spares become a drama. I like the rate of climb on offer.
Regards,
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine
Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new motor
mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this
viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little
things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more
amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery.
If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big
Bucks!!
The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know)
6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute.
90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too!
I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them. Leaks.
Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours
flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet jockey's
might have a much tougher ass.
Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the
wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s.
How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to remind
the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and we
can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy
owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the L-29
and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great
times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on
now, admit it.
Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay. When
I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was
the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that after
the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but
still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?)
Play nice and still have fun.
Bill
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Subject: | Re: Viper Engine |
You can get an engine for under $20,000. Do it yourself???
I do believe that the leaks were fixed. I am sure I don't want to sit for
another hour of flying, (110 gallons, 55 per wing) it would be nice to have
the reserve.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "franknlynn" <franklynn19@westnet.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: L29-List: Viper Engine
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for that. I thought the wet wing might have some problems. I am
> very
> interested in the Viper but at the moment I can see $75,000.00 would be
> better spent on a spare engine and fuel and maybe a spare aircraft going
> on
> current prices! It is something worth considering though if original
> engines
> and spares become a drama. I like the rate of climb on offer.
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:53 PM
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine
>
>
> Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new
> motor
>
> mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this
> viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little
> things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more
> amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery.
> If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big
> Bucks!!
>
> The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know)
>
> 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute.
> 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too!
>
> I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them.
> Leaks.
> Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours
> flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet
> jockey's
> might have a much tougher ass.
>
> Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the
> wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s.
>
> How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to
> remind
>
> the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and
> we
>
> can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy
> owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the
> L-29
>
> and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great
> times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on
> now, admit it.
>
> Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay.
> When
> I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was
> the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that
> after
> the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but
> still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?)
>
> Play nice and still have fun.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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If I could get some written assistance or information on how the guys did
theirs I would certainly look into it. The reserve fuel would be nice to
have also and perhaps for a longer than normal ferry. One of the hurdles
here is because we don't use 'experimental' for warbirds we need to have a
Part 35 engineer approve all mods.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine
You can get an engine for under $20,000. Do it yourself???
I do believe that the leaks were fixed. I am sure I don't want to sit for
another hour of flying, (110 gallons, 55 per wing) it would be nice to have
the reserve.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "franknlynn" <franklynn19@westnet.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: L29-List: Viper Engine
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Thanks for that. I thought the wet wing might have some problems. I am
> very
> interested in the Viper but at the moment I can see $75,000.00 would be
> better spent on a spare engine and fuel and maybe a spare aircraft going
> on
> current prices! It is something worth considering though if original
> engines
> and spares become a drama. I like the rate of climb on offer.
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:53 PM
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine
>
>
> Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new
> motor
>
> mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this
> viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little
> things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more
> amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery.
> If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big
> Bucks!!
>
> The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know)
>
> 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute.
> 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too!
>
> I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them.
> Leaks.
> Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours
> flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet
> jockey's
> might have a much tougher ass.
>
> Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the
> wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s.
>
> How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to
> remind
>
> the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and
> we
>
> can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy
> owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the
> L-29
>
> and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great
> times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on
> now, admit it.
>
> Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay.
> When
> I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was
> the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that
> after
> the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but
> still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?)
>
> Play nice and still have fun.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
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Subject: | Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take
western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run
their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system
capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a
serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does
anyone use the 'G' suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did
you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?
Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
Frank
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under
construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost
$5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc. I like my air brakes
part of the adventure.
I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for
5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric
air from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks
good hanging in the hanger.
Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I think
we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court press on
him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look really
bad! (Want to race?)
----- Original Message -----
From: franknlynn
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to
take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does
anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra
brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does
have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this
kind of subject does anyone use the 'G' suits obtainable for this
aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western
suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?
Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
Frank
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Bill,
Signal to noise ratio getting a bit high on my receiver, going to bail on
current channel. Contact on private email.
Ernie
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Add another L-29 to the SOLD list.
Today my HOG is under new ownership. Fuel HOG that is..... aka., PIG
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the right
(where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 bars and
goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main switch
pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a special
connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable.
Jean de Roubin
Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit :
> I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to
> take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also
> does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated
> for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of
> anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally
> whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92
suits
> obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them
> from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?
>
>
> Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
>
>
> Frank
>
>
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A good reason to BUY a spare Factory Overhauled Zero Time Engine for your
L-29!!!
Oh, also tubes & tires are going to be something you guys might want to keep
as a spare. Ever think about what your plan of action is when you blow a
tire and there are no spares around?
The right "hoof" on my pig decided to start leaking and had to put a new
tube in it.
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Geez Greg,
I thought you loved me more than your L-29?
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Where di it go? Anybody we know?
----- Original Message -----
From: SD737@aol.com
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List:
Add another L-29 to the SOLD list.
Today my HOG is under new ownership. Fuel HOG that is..... aka., PIG
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through the
lines.
----- Original Message -----
From: delfin@mail.pf
To: franknlynn
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the right
(where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 bars and
goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main switch pannel.
I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a special connector.
My oxygen circuit is still working and usable.
Jean de Roubin
Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit :
I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to
take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does
anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra
brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does
have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this
kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92 suits obtainable for this
aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western
suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?
Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
Frank
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Send me a price on my private E-mail. Engine, front canopy, tires.
----- Original Message -----
From: SD737@aol.com
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List:
A good reason to BUY a spare Factory Overhauled Zero Time Engine for
your L-29!!!
Oh, also tubes & tires are going to be something you guys might want
to keep as a spare. Ever think about what your plan of action is when
you blow a tire and there are no spares around?
The right "hoof" on my pig decided to start leaking and had to put a
new tube in it.
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Guys,
When I had Mat from Matronics start this list for me I never envisioned the
traffic that we are now seeing. So here are a few points for those of you
who are new to email lists.
1. If you want to respond to a thread that is getting a little long, delete
everything in your email other than your response.
2. Dont reply to a thread unless you intend to contibute to that particular
subject....If you have a new question or thought start a new thread.
3. Always populate your subject line
4. Dont feel compelled to answer to every thread you read with thing like
"Yea me too"
5. No politics
6. No religion
7. No trashing other people ( unless they're universally deservant of it
like Dave Sutton)
8. This is an open unmoderated list so dont feed the trolls.
9. Its ok for me to trash L-29's
10. Have fun
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Subject: | Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
Might need a snort valve like the Yak-52 perhaps?
_____
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through the
lines.
----- Original Message -----
From: delfin@mail.pf
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the right
(where
was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 bars and goes off
at
50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main switch pannel. I use also
both
original and westerns anti-G, with a special connector. My oxygen
circuit is
still working and usable.
Jean de Roubin
Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit :
I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take
western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone
run
their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake
system
capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run
a
serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject
does
anyone use the =91G=92 suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so
where did
you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29
fitting?
Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
Frank
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
It dry the air. There is a purge to turn after the flight to put the
water off. I put the compressor off when doing aerobatics. Working
perfectly since many years.
Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 14:35, Bill a =E9crit :
> Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through
> the lines.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: delfin@mail.pf
> To: franknlynn
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM
> Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
>
> I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the
> right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20
> bars and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main
> switch pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a
> special connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable.
> Jean de Roubin
> Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit :
>
>> I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to
>> take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also
>> does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all
>> deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested
>> to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system.
>> Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the
>> =91G=92 suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you
>> source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29
>> fitting?
>>
>>
>> Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
>>
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://
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Subject: | Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
Thanks Bill,
Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to ask than
you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start work on it. If I
can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott is not replying to me??)
I will stick with the original stuff. Where did you fit the new oxy bottle/s
Bill and how much capacity is there? Good to know the increased brake system
lasts a while. I read about the guys in the U.K doing it and wondered how
good it would be. No races your Viper would blow me away I am sure! I will
get that number off you too for the Viper conversion and wet wings just so I
can touch base if need be.
Thanks Jean,
Did you make up the special connector for the 'G' suit yourself and would
you like to make or tell me where I can get two more?
Thanks to everyone for your input.
Frank
_____
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under
construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost $5000.
Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc. I like my air brakes part of the
adventure.
I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for 5-6
months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric air
from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks good
hanging in the hanger.
Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I think we
all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court press on him to
just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look really bad! (Want
to race?)
----- Original Message -----
From: franknlynn <mailto:franklynn19@westnet.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take
western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run
their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system
capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a
serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does
anyone use the 'G' suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did
you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?
Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
Frank
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
Please send pix and where can I get one.
----- Original Message -----
From: delfin@mail.pf
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
It dry the air. There is a purge to turn after the flight to put the
water off. I put the compressor off when doing aerobatics. Working
perfectly since many years.
Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 14:35, Bill a =E9crit :
Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through the
lines.
----- Original Message -----
From: delfin@mail.pf
To: franknlynn
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the
right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 bars
and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main switch
pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a special
connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable.
Jean de Roubin
Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit :
I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29
to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also
does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for
extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who
does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on
this kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92 suits obtainable for
this aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they
western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?
Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
Frank
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
I thing so, I don't know the Yak-52. The work had been made by a
tzech team some years ago
Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 14:50, franknlynn a =E9crit :
> Might need a snort valve like the Yak-52 perhaps?
>
>
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:36 AM
> To: l29-list@matronics.com; franknlynn
> Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
>
>
> Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through
> the lines.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: delfin@mail.pf
>
> To: franknlynn
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM
>
> Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
>
>
> I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the
> right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20
> bars and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main
> switch pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a
> special connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable.
>
> Jean de Roubin
>
> Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit :
>
>
> I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to
> take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also
> does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated
> for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of
> anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally
> whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92
suits
> obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them
> from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?
>
> Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
>
> Frank
>
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://
> www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
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Subject: | Brakes G-suits, and air |
I have pneumatic brakes in my CJ-6 Nanchang, learned how to use them in my
L-29. I would'nt have it any other way
They are much more presices than Hydraulic brakes and a hell of a lot easier
to maintain. Every L-29 newbie has the same question(yours truly included)
how can I convert to western brakes........Not worth it.... this is a
western system copied by the Soviets. The F-86 has the same braking system
as your 29. Learn how to use it and you'll learn to love it...(remember me
Bill???). It is the hardest thing to master on this airplane, but once you
master it it is wonderful. I can pull up to my hangar and swing my airplane
180 degrees like a tail dragger. I hate toe brakes!
Yes other people have done it, but ask them if it was worth the effort. I
would rather spend the money on air condtioning. Just cause I sold my
airplane doesnt mean I'm gonna abandon the L-29 crowd. I still love the
plane and maybe I can still mooch a ride now and then.
Hey I have no reason to trash innovation, I just want to put across some
better alternatives.
Ernie
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
Rear cockpit along the left side wall. When you remove the old radios,
there is room on both sides. You should beable to take out over 400
pounds. I still fill the oxy from the nose as usual. We have about 4
hours at 24,000'. (2 pilots)
Dave Cannavo cell is 302-528-1601 home is 302-378-1396. On the East
coast of the USA.
----- Original Message -----
From: franknlynn
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: RE: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
Thanks Bill,
Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to ask
than you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start work on
it. If I can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott is not
replying to me??) I will stick with the original stuff. Where did you
fit the new oxy bottle/s Bill and how much capacity is there? Good to
know the increased brake system lasts a while. I read about the guys in
the U.K doing it and wondered how good it would be. No races your Viper
would blow me away I am sure! I will get that number off you too for the
Viper conversion and wet wings just so I can touch base if need be.
Thanks Jean,
Did you make up the special connector for the 'G' suit yourself and
would you like to make or tell me where I can get two more?
Thanks to everyone for your input.
Frank
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From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:12 AM
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under
construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost
$5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc. I like my air brakes
part of the adventure.
I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for
5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric
air from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks
good hanging in the hanger.
Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I
think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court
press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane
look really bad! (Want to race?)
----- Original Message -----
From: franknlynn
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to
take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does
anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra
brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does
have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this
kind of subject does anyone use the 'G' suits obtainable for this
aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western
suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?
Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
Frank
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For those fo you who are interested in using an on board air compressor.
There is a compresor called a "Cornelieous" (spelling is definately not
right). It is a 24v air compressor used in many USAF airplanes. They can be
found on occasion on E-Bay. They can deliver 3000 PSI and draw about 80
amps. It is a good emergency system. I had it on my airplane but it was
burned out by the previous owner. High pressure compressors require a
special oil changed regularly. The previous owner didnt follow that
maintenance routine.
It was mounted in the old ADF bay in the starboard nose compartment
Ernie
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Subject: | Brakes G-suits, and air |
Thanks Ernie,
I have done a bit of flying in a Yak-52 and the brakes, although different,
are no big deal. I agree it is all part of the enjoyment of operating that
kind of aircraft. I was not really looking at converting for that reason,
more that if I intend to try and work the aircraft to cover costs I want it
to be as ground support free as possible. The Yak-52 and probably the CJ-6
has the compressor so a similar system for the -29 would be great or the
increased capacity by using the old oxy bottles. Just exploring options.
Great to get all of this feed back from everyone, keep it coming.
Cheers,
Frank
_____
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:09 AM
Subject: L29-List: Brakes G-suits, and air
I have pneumatic brakes in my CJ-6 Nanchang, learned how to use them in my
L-29. I would'nt have it any other way
They are much more presices than Hydraulic brakes and a hell of a lot easier
to maintain. Every L-29 newbie has the same question(yours truly included)
how can I convert to western brakes........Not worth it.... this is a
western system copied by the Soviets. The F-86 has the same braking system
as your 29. Learn how to use it and you'll learn to love it...(remember me
Bill???). It is the hardest thing to master on this airplane, but once you
master it it is wonderful. I can pull up to my hangar and swing my airplane
180 degrees like a tail dragger. I hate toe brakes!
Yes other people have done it, but ask them if it was worth the effort. I
would rather spend the money on air condtioning. Just cause I sold my
airplane doesnt mean I'm gonna abandon the L-29 crowd. I still love the
plane and maybe I can still mooch a ride now and then.
Hey I have no reason to trash innovation, I just want to put across some
better alternatives.
Ernie
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
If you must have O2, ( I wanted it cause it gave me a reason to wear the
mask with my helmet), put a modern kevlar 3000PSI bottle up front ( you're
probably nose light if you've removed all your radios, and russion O2
bottles) then get a High pressure to Low pressure regulator 3000PSI to 300
PSIon the bottle. Run low pressure lines to Litton L-1011 regulators which
you can buy on E-Bay all day long. I have 3 of them. These are the same
regulators that you see in your Nigerion Flight manuals for the L29. They
fit perfectly on the starboard side deck.
Ernie
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
for Franck,
Someone make it for me many years ago. You need a east anti-G. You
have to cut the male part going in the female part on the plane, and
a female part for west anti-g. Just assemble the two parts with a hose.
Jean
Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 15:03, franknlynn a =E9crit :
> Thanks Bill,
>
>
> Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to
> ask than you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start
> work on it. If I can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott
> is not replying to me??) I will stick with the original stuff.
> Where did you fit the new oxy bottle/s Bill and how much capacity
> is there? Good to know the increased brake system lasts a while. I
> read about the guys in the U.K doing it and wondered how good it
> would be. No races your Viper would blow me away I am sure! I will
> get that number off you too for the Viper conversion and wet wings
> just so I can touch base if need be.
>
>
> Thanks Jean,
>
>
> Did you make up the special connector for the =91G=92 suit yourself
and
> would you like to make or tell me where I can get two more?
>
>
> Thanks to everyone for your input.
>
>
> Frank
>
>
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:12 AM
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
>
>
> 2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under
> construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were
> almost $5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc. I like my
> air brakes part of the adventure.
>
>
> I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full
> for 5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like
> breathing metric air from over there. I have an original "G" suit
> but don't use it. Looks good hanging in the hanger.
>
>
> Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I
> think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full
> court press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my
> airplane look really bad! (Want to race?)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: franknlynn
>
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 PM
>
> Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
>
>
> I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to
> take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also
> does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated
> for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of
> anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally
> whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92
suits
> obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them
> from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting?
>
>
> Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
>
>
> Frank
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Brakes G-suits, and air |
Hey buddy,
Welcome aboard. Hell you fly 52's you're an old pro. An L-29 just has higer
approach speeds :)
No worries, maintenance on a pneumatic system is much simpler than a
hydraulic system. Hell theres no pump! Just fill n go :) If you have a real
tight L-29 you can hold enough pressure for 4 flights per day for 4 days
before you're empty. My airplane......140 BAR at 12:00 ......50 BAR at 12:30
Oh well it was a good flight :)
Ernie
On 8/1/07, franknlynn <franklynn19@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ernie,
>
>
> I have done a bit of flying in a Yak-52 and the brakes, although
> different, are no big deal. I agree it is all part of the enjoyment of
> operating that kind of aircraft. I was not really l
>
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Subject: | Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
Wow you guys, this stuff is pure gold! Thanks for all your info and advice.
You don't know how much I appreciate it. What kind of endurance did you get
with that bottle Ernie?
Frank
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[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
If you must have O2, ( I wanted it cause it gave me a reason to wear the
mask with my helmet), put a modern kevlar 3000PSI bottle up front ( you're
probably nose light if you've removed all your radios, and russion O2
bottles) then get a High pressure to Low pressure regulator 3000PSI to 300
PSIon the bottle. Run low pressure lines to Litton L-1011 regulators which
you can buy on E-Bay all day long. I have 3 of them. These are the same
regulators that you see in your Nigerion Flight manuals for the L29. They
fit perfectly on the starboard side deck.
Ernie
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Subject: | Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
O.K thanks Jean.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of delfin@mail.pf
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
for Franck,
Someone make it for me many years ago. You need a east anti-G. You have
to
cut the male part going in the female part on the plane, and a female
part
for west anti-g. Just assemble the two parts with a hose.
Jean
Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 15:03, franknlynn a =E9crit :
Thanks Bill,
Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to ask
than
you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start work on it.
If I
can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott is not replying to
me??)
I will stick with the original stuff. Where did you fit the new oxy
bottle/s
Bill and how much capacity is there? Good to know the increased brake
system
lasts a while. I read about the guys in the U.K doing it and wondered
how
good it would be. No races your Viper would blow me away I am sure! I
will
get that number off you too for the Viper conversion and wet wings just
so I
can touch base if need be.
Thanks Jean,
Did you make up the special connector for the =91G=92 suit yourself and
would
you like to make or tell me where I can get two more?
Thanks to everyone for your input.
Frank
2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under
construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost
$5000.
Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc. I like my air brakes part of
the
adventure.
I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for
5-6
months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric air
from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks
good
hanging in the hanger.
Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I think
we
all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court press on him
to
just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look really bad!
(Want
to race?)
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:franklynn19@westnet.com.au> franknlynn
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
to
and much
the Web
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
Never had any opportunity to use it. An L-29 above 17k feet is looking for
fuel. O2 is a novelty, not a real practical item. I spent 95% of my time
under 10k feet, 70% under 5k feet and 20% under 2k feet
doing fly by's. You dont go anywhere in L-29's, you fire them up, take off,
thank god you gained altitude, then you trim up try to go fast and then
say...."OK where do we go now" then you scare some cows and come home and
hope you can remember how to land, since its been so long since youve done
it before. Then you squeak it on and realize how great this airplane is.
I remember Bill's words to me "Dont worry Ern, I'tll look like you;re going
to smash the nose gear onto the runway.......just hold your speed , and the
ground will come up to meet you" Hot Damn!!!!! its works that way every time
HEE HEE
Ernie
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
You have to wait about 15 days, when i be back in France
Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 15:06, Bill a =E9crit :
> Please send pix and where can I get one.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: delfin@mail.pf
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
>
> It dry the air. There is a purge to turn after the flight to put
> the water off. I put the compressor off when doing aerobatics.
> Working perfectly since many years.
> Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 14:35, Bill a =E9crit :
>
>> Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through
>> the lines.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: delfin@mail.pf
>> To: franknlynn
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits?
>>
>> I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the
>> right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20
>> bars and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main
>> switch pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with
>> a special connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable.
>> Jean de Roubin
>> Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit :
>>
>>> I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29
>>> to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful?
>>> Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all
>>> deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be
>>> interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable
>>> oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does
>>> anyone use the =91G=92 suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so
>>> where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted
>>> for the L-29 fitting?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
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Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? |
I put us regulators in mine out of a T-38. High pressure bottle with a
reducer to feed the regulators. works awesome. I use it on cross country flights
and anytime above 10K
Greg
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you get me into this mess then you bail!!! some friend!!!
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Subject: | L-29 Tires & Parts |
Scott and all
I still have 2 flying 29s one in Houston on a grass 3300ft strip behind my
house and one at Cannavo's in Delaware.
Fuel is high but what a rush.
I do about 5 to 6 flights a month with GIB buying fuel.
Save me a pass at" Reno" Scott and look forward to seeing everyone.
I have seen the wet wing on 2 ships done at Dave's and the work was great.
Still 1 gallon a mile and the drops are good enough for me.
The other Viper 29 at New Castle in Delaware is an R model with wet wings.
Joe flies it every week as he does the Mig 21.
What a lot of post at one time.
Congratulations Ernie on your sale.
Scott post some prices or send me direct.
Gary Cole
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[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SD737@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:15 PM
Subject: L29-List: L-29 Tires & Parts
Looks like I've sold my L-29.
Does anyone need new main tires and new nose tire.
Now's the chance to pick up some fresh rubber here in the US!!!
We brought in a bunch of L-29 junk... ah... I mean valuable parts, and so
now I have all sorts of good stuff in my hangar, but no airplane to use the
stuff.
NEW:
Main wheel and brake, Hydraulic pumps, Generators, Start box, Low Pressure
Fuel Pump, Fire bottle explosive squibs, Canopies, Main Landing Gear, New
Pan Head Wing Screws, etc, etc....
Also, factory jacks, tail stand and canopy stand. All of this stuff is
HARD to find.
Let me know.
Scott Douglass
Reno, NV
SD737@AOL.COM
775-853-1946
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Subject: | Official L29-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the L29-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
L29-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/L29-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
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The purpose of the L29-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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Gary, try to get to Lamar for the clinic. We need one more L-29 guy.
Sept. 19-23.
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