---------------------------------------------------------- L29-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/01/07: 74 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:27 AM - Re: New Guy (David M.) 2. 02:44 AM - Re: Viper Engine (franknlynn) 3. 03:07 AM - Re: L-29 Tires & Parts (franknlynn) 4. 03:16 AM - Re: New Guy (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 5. 03:24 AM - SV: New Guy (Lasse Rungholm) 6. 03:51 AM - The cost to the 'New Guy' (franknlynn) 7. 03:54 AM - Re: New Guy (Jorgen Nielsen) 8. 04:01 AM - SV: New Guy (Lasse Rungholm) 9. 04:06 AM - L-29 ops (franknlynn) 10. 05:54 AM - Re: Viper Engine (Bill) 11. 05:58 AM - Re: New Guy (Bill) 12. 06:00 AM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (Bill) 13. 06:07 AM - Re: New Guy (Bill) 14. 06:11 AM - Re: New Guy (Bill) 15. 06:14 AM - Re: New Guy (Bill) 16. 06:40 AM - Re: Viper Engine (Ernest Martinez) 17. 06:59 AM - Re: Viper Engine (Bill) 18. 07:18 AM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (David M.) 19. 07:44 AM - Re: Viper Engine (Ernest Martinez) 20. 08:02 AM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (SD737@aol.com) 21. 08:08 AM - Re: New Guy (SD737@aol.com) 22. 08:13 AM - New Canopy Cover (SD737@aol.com) 23. 08:16 AM - SV: New Canopy Cover (Lasse Rungholm) 24. 08:32 AM - Re: New Guy (Colyergreg@aol.com) 25. 08:33 AM - Re: New Guy (Colyergreg@aol.com) 26. 08:49 AM - SV: New Guy (Lasse Rungholm) 27. 08:53 AM - Re: SV: New Guy (Colyergreg@aol.com) 28. 09:15 AM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (Ernest Martinez) 29. 09:31 AM - SV: SV: New Guy (Lasse Rungholm) 30. 09:48 AM - Re: (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 31. 10:03 AM - Re: (Ernest Martinez) 32. 10:31 AM - Re: (brian) 33. 10:39 AM - Re: New Canopy Cover (Greg Morris) 34. 10:41 AM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (Bill) 35. 12:12 PM - Re: (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 36. 12:17 PM - Re: (Colyergreg@aol.com) 37. 02:52 PM - Re: The cost to the 'New Guy' (franknlynn) 38. 03:24 PM - Re: Viper Engine (franknlynn) 39. 04:35 PM - Re: Viper Engine (Bill) 40. 04:46 PM - Re: Viper Engine (franknlynn) 41. 04:54 PM - Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (franknlynn) 42. 05:12 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Bill) 43. 05:19 PM - Yo Bill (Ernest Martinez) 44. 05:21 PM - Re: (SD737@aol.com) 45. 05:24 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (delfin@mail.pf) 46. 05:32 PM - Re: (SD737@aol.com) 47. 05:33 PM - Re: (SD737@aol.com) 48. 05:34 PM - Re: (Bill) 49. 05:35 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Bill) 50. 05:40 PM - Re: (Bill) 51. 05:41 PM - Ground Rules (Ernest Martinez) 52. 05:51 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (franknlynn) 53. 06:03 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (delfin@mail.pf) 54. 06:03 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (franknlynn) 55. 06:06 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Bill) 56. 06:07 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (delfin@mail.pf) 57. 06:09 PM - Brakes G-suits, and air (Ernest Martinez) 58. 06:15 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Bill) 59. 06:16 PM - Air Compressors (Ernest Martinez) 60. 06:21 PM - Re: Brakes G-suits, and air (franknlynn) 61. 06:28 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Ernest Martinez) 62. 06:31 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (delfin@mail.pf) 63. 06:33 PM - Re: Brakes G-suits, and air (Ernest Martinez) 64. 06:37 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (franknlynn) 65. 06:37 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (franknlynn) 66. 06:52 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Ernest Martinez) 67. 07:01 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (delfin@mail.pf) 68. 07:44 PM - Bridge (Ernest Martinez) 69. 08:53 PM - Re: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? (Colyergreg@aol.com) 70. 08:54 PM - Re: (Colyergreg@aol.com) 71. 09:54 PM - Re: L-29 Tires & Parts (gary and ann) 72. 11:01 PM - Official L29-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 73. 11:03 PM - Official L29-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) 74. 11:34 PM - Re: L-29 Tires & Parts (Bill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:17 AM PST US From: "David M." Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy thanks, Bill. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 8:55 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy > > That would be the T-38 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David M." > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy > > > > nice looking bird. I thought the T-33 was the ones the US astronauts fly > around in; much smaller plane than in the picture. > > David M. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:03 AM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: RE: L29-List: Viper Engine What have you got Bill? I would be very interested in how they went about the mod. Any specially produced parts to help mate the two together? What about the wet wing, did you do that too? Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 11:54 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine what info do you want. I have a Viper. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "franknlynn" Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 3:51 PM Subject: L29-List: Viper Engine > > Jon, > > I have sent e-mails to those guys and got zero reply. Perhaps because I am > in Australia they don't want to be bothered with me. I was particularly > interested in their wet wing mod also but...nothin'. > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede > Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 7:17 AM > To: l29-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy > > > Normally I just lurk here. :-) > > If you're going to spend money on an L-29... put in a Viper engine. IMHO > I've seen several VERY nice L-29s that the owner would have taken $40k to > get out of. > > Some day, when all of the other jet warbirds are grounded and the L-29 is > still flying by virtue of the genius of its simpleness, the price will > start > > to come back up, providing that Jet-A is not $10 a gallon by then. But > it's > > like a roach motel for money now... the money goes in, it's satisfying, > but > the money doesn't come back out. :-) > > Jon > > >>From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" >>To: >>Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:44:58 -0500 >> >>If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough, >>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a >>flying >>certified good a/c for about 35K. They are great planes though and I >>love mine but everytime I think about >>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop >> myself. I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. "" >> >> >> I have to differ with this opinion. You might have $60,000- to $100,000 >> or a bit more in a L-29 that is in -show plane condition. Whether you >>get it all >> back or not, you would have a very special one of a kind aircraft to be >> quit proud of that would still allow for cheap parts and maintenance and >> easy to work on. An L-39 in show plane condition might be >> $295,000 -350,000 range or more and the restoration would not be >> something you could do in your garage. I saw 17 L-39 at Oshkosh this >> year. Only one in genuine military colors. Just 2 L-29 and they were >>nice to see. Its not a case of the L-29 >> being a cheap step child to the L-39. L-29 has its own proud history >> and > >>you don't see many nice ones on any FBO ramps. Unforntualy not many >>elect to make their L-29 really nice. Most are out of the box flyers. >> >> >>Two different aircraft, both great in their own right. Safe flying to >>all >> >>Bob Schwartz >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Colyergreg@aol.com >> To: l29-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 6:54 AM >> Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy >> >> >> If you had to pay for any of it, unless you are just rolling in dough, >>it's a waste money that you will never see out of it. When you can buy a >>flying certified good a/c for about 35K. >> >> They are great planes though and I love mine but everytime I think >> about > >>doing the same thing and making like an "Oskosh" show plane I stop >>myself. > >> I would rather spend the money on a L-39 or T-33. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > --- >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:31 AM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: RE: L29-List: L-29 Tires & Parts How much for all that junk Scott? Frank Australia _____ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SD737@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 2:15 PM Subject: L29-List: L-29 Tires & Parts Looks like I've sold my L-29. Does anyone need new main tires and new nose tire. Now's the chance to pick up some fresh rubber here in the US!!! We brought in a bunch of L-29 junk... ah... I mean valuable parts, and so now I have all sorts of good stuff in my hangar, but no airplane to use the stuff. NEW: Main wheel and brake, Hydraulic pumps, Generators, Start box, Low Pressure Fuel Pump, Fire bottle explosive squibs, Canopies, Main Landing Gear, New Pan Head Wing Screws, etc, etc.... Also, factory jacks, tail stand and canopy stand. All of this stuff is HARD to find. Let me know. Scott Douglass Reno, NV SD737@AOL.COM 775-853-1946 _____ . ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:03 AM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being a L-29 owner. BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe, just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static jet warbirds? That could be cool too! Boyce ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:26 AM PST US Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy From: "Lasse Rungholm" But but but If you own an L29 there SHOULD be lots of people out there who will be willing to pay a large enough amount of money for a back seat ride to lessen the burden of maintaining the bird. Here we actually give backseat rides at a rate of 1000 USD for 1/2 hour. OK - this is not the US where everyone flies but again. Give it some thought. Our Dolphin: http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=&ai rlinesearch=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords= oy-lsd&range=&sort_order=&page_limit=15&thumbnails=&calccount=1 183804&truecount=true&engine_version=6.0 ________________________________ Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com p=E5 vegne af RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Sendt: on 01-08-2007 12:04 Til: l29-list@matronics.com Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being a L-29 owner. BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe, just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static jet warbirds? That could be cool too! Boyce ________________________________ . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:54 AM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' Hi Boyce, I am the new guy, Frank from Australia. Don't worry about the fuel thing too much. Fuel prices go up, inflation goes up, wages go up (over time!) and then we are back where we were 2 years ago; just the numerical value is higher. One day a can of Coke will be $10 or more it all goes around my friend. If we do run out then shoot, at least you won't die wondering. My philosophy is, "you can't take it with you when you go", or is that."you're gone a long time", no, I've got it now."the person who dies with the most toys wins"! Scott is lucky, he has had his time in the sun and more power to him. I wish I was in his position to decide because it would mean I have already made it. Oh and I see this kind of topic change on another list I am with and the thread is totally lost. It takes two seconds to delete the subject and change it to something more appropriate. No big deal, don't sweat the small stuff. Ciao, Frank _____ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 8:05 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being a L-29 owner. BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe, just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static jet warbirds? That could be cool too! Boyce _____ . ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:06 AM PST US From: "Jorgen Nielsen" Subject: RE: L29-List: New Guy Agree re the sentiments. >From my side as L29 owner for a couple years now, I love the aircraft and have no plans to sell it, and will happily spend money improving it, even knowing I won't recover any "investment". There are a lot of good things associated with L29. Low acquisition cost. Simple and relatively cheap to service / maintain. It's a fully aerobatic military jet that is damn fun to fly. Takeoff & initial climb is pedestrian but once you up there and cleaned up its really cool. If you try and use or compare it to any commuter type aerie you buying the wrong aircraft. If you can spare the cash to buy it, to maintain it properly and fuel it, and you buy it to have fun flying aerobatic sorties and generally misbehaving ( :-) ) then you won't be disappointed. _____ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Sent: 01 August 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being a L-29 owner. BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe, just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static jet warbirds? That could be cool too! Boyce _____ . ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:47 AM PST US Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy From: "Lasse Rungholm" I TOTALLY AGREE. You can not find any other aircraft that will be as much fun for such a small amount of money. What you use more for fuel you will easily spend on maintenance, insurance and avionics on other more boring aircraft. Yes - we would all like a L39 but this L29 of ours is a hell of a lot of fun for a lot less money and we have spent almost 100K to get it and get it certified here in Denmark but it has all been well spent. Jorgen - did you send the valve??? We need it urgently... Lasse ________________________________ Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com p=E5 vegne af Jorgen Nielsen Sendt: on 01-08-2007 12:51 Til: l29-list@matronics.com Emne: RE: L29-List: New Guy Agree re the sentiments. >From my side as L29 owner for a couple years now, I love the aircraft and have no plans to sell it, and will happily spend money improving it, even knowing I won't recover any "investment". There are a lot of good things associated with L29. Low acquisition cost. Simple and relatively cheap to service / maintain. It's a fully aerobatic military jet that is damn fun to fly. Takeoff & initial climb is pedestrian but once you up there and cleaned up its really cool. If you try and use or compare it to any commuter type aerie you buying the wrong aircraft. If you can spare the cash to buy it, to maintain it properly and fuel it, and you buy it to have fun flying aerobatic sorties and generally misbehaving ( :-) ) then you won't be disappointed. ________________________________ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Sent: 01 August 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being a L-29 owner. BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe, just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static jet warbirds? That could be cool too! Boyce ________________________________ . ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:20 AM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: L29-List: L-29 ops Nice looking jet Lasse, We in Australia have a category called "Limited" and under this category we can take commercially paying passengers for 'adventure type joy flights' to experience a unique type of aircraft that they wouldn't normally experience in any other way. This is how I intend to operate my aircraft and like you it can help to lessen the burden of operating these thirsty aeroplanes. Frank Australia -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lasse Rungholm Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 8:21 PM Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy But but but If you own an L29 there SHOULD be lots of people out there who will be willing to pay a large enough amount of money for a back seat ride to lessen the burden of maintaining the bird. Here we actually give backseat rides at a rate of 1000 USD for 1/2 hour. OK - this is not the US where everyone flies but again. Give it some thought. Our Dolphin: http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=&airline search=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=oy-lsd&range=&sort _order=&page_limit=15&thumbnails=&calccount=1183804&truecount=true&engine_ve rsion=6.0 ________________________________ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:11 AM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new motor mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery. If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big Bucks!! The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know) 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute. 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too! I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them. Leaks. Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet jockey's might have a much tougher ass. Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s. How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to remind the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and we can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the L-29 and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on now, admit it. Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay. When I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that after the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?) Play nice and still have fun. Bill ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:42 AM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy Absolutely! Like I said, deep down in their hardened hearts, they all regret selling. Its like cutting off your hand! Or? A friend of mine has a T6 and a jet. He does approx. 52 "Fly-bys during the year. Parades, County fairs, Funerals etc. Gets $600 for the jet and $350 for the T6. Free flying!! He put together an 18 ship fly-by for veterens day. It was cool. Free flying!! Its out there. Just look. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lasse Rungholm" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:20 AM Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy But but but If you own an L29 there SHOULD be lots of people out there who will be willing to pay a large enough amount of money for a back seat ride to lessen the burden of maintaining the bird. Here we actually give backseat rides at a rate of 1000 USD for 1/2 hour. OK - this is not the US where everyone flies but again. Give it some thought. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:19 AM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' The voice of reason. "Two's in" ----- Original Message ----- From: franknlynn To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:51 AM Subject: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' Hi Boyce, I am the new guy, Frank from Australia. Don't worry about the fuel thing too much. Fuel prices go up, inflation goes up, wages go up (over time!) and then we are back where we were 2 years ago; just the numerical value is higher. One day a can of Coke will be $10 or more it all goes around my friend. If we do run out then shoot, at least you won't die wondering. My philosophy is, "you can't take it with you when you go", or is that."you're gone a long time", no, I've got it now."the person who dies with the most toys wins"! Scott is lucky, he has had his time in the sun and more power to him. I wish I was in his position to decide because it would mean I have already made it. Oh and I see this kind of topic change on another list I am with and the thread is totally lost. It takes two seconds to delete the subject and change it to something more appropriate. No big deal, don't sweat the small stuff. Ciao, Frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 8:05 PM To: l29-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being a L-29 owner. BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe, just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static jet warbirds? That could be cool too! Boyce ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?L29-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:06 AM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy My hero! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jorgen Nielsen To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:51 AM Subject: RE: L29-List: New Guy Agree re the sentiments. From my side as L29 owner for a couple years now, I love the aircraft and have no plans to sell it, and will happily spend money improving it, even knowing I won't recover any "investment". There are a lot of good things associated with L29. Low acquisition cost. Simple and relatively cheap to service / maintain. It's a fully aerobatic military jet that is damn fun to fly. Takeoff & initial climb is pedestrian but once you up there and cleaned up its really cool. If you try and use or compare it to any commuter type aerie you buying the wrong aircraft. If you can spare the cash to buy it, to maintain it properly and fuel it, and you buy it to have fun flying aerobatic sorties and generally misbehaving ( J ) then you won't be disappointed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:44 AM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy I owned 2 L-39's. Free and clear. Sold them both when the FAA got involved. Good decision. The L-39 is a white collar jet. I am a blue collar guy as is my airplane. L-39 is a nice airplane. I have buddies that will let me fly theirs, so I don't have to own one. Good for me. They are both on the hunt for new motors (spares) Can't seem to find or afford them without selling their homes. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Lasse Rungholm To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:59 AM Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy I TOTALLY AGREE. You can not find any other aircraft that will be as much fun for such a small amount of money. What you use more for fuel you will easily spend on maintenance, insurance and avionics on other more boring aircraft. Yes - we would all like a L39 but this L29 of ours is a hell of a lot of fun for a lot less money and we have spent almost 100K to get it and get it certified here in Denmark but it has all been well spent. Jorgen - did you send the valve??? We need it urgently... Lasse ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com p=E5 vegne af Jorgen Nielsen Sendt: on 01-08-2007 12:51 Til: l29-list@matronics.com Emne: RE: L29-List: New Guy Agree re the sentiments. From my side as L29 owner for a couple years now, I love the aircraft and have no plans to sell it, and will happily spend money improving it, even knowing I won't recover any "investment". There are a lot of good things associated with L29. Low acquisition cost. Simple and relatively cheap to service / maintain. It's a fully aerobatic military jet that is damn fun to fly. Takeoff & initial climb is pedestrian but once you up there and cleaned up its really cool. If you try and use or compare it to any commuter type aerie you buying the wrong aircraft. If you can spare the cash to buy it, to maintain it properly and fuel it, and you buy it to have fun flying aerobatic sorties and generally misbehaving ( J ) then you won't be disappointed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Sent: 01 August 2007 12:05 PM To: l29-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy Man, you guys are a tough crowd! We went from the topic being "new guy" to downing the aircraft we own, or in my case not own, but wished I owned. I've forgoteen now who the "new guy" is, but congratulations on your acquisition, and I hope someday I can share the excitement of being a L-29 owner. BTW, I bitched earlier about the cost of flying. There are all levels of aircraft with corresponding cost structures. I'll probably alway be in the lower level. I've come to terms with that. BUT, maybe, just maybe, I can fly my Mustang II, and start a collection of static jet warbirds? That could be cool too! Boyce ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?L29-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:52 AM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy That is a great web site. Cool pix. Oh, the jet is nice too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lasse Rungholm" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:20 AM Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy But but but If you own an L29 there SHOULD be lots of people out there who will be willing to pay a large enough amount of money for a back seat ride to lessen the burden of maintaining the bird. Here we actually give backseat rides at a rate of 1000 USD for 1/2 hour. OK - this is not the US where everyone flies but again. Give it some thought. Our Dolphin: http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?aircraft_genericsearch=&airlinesearch=&countrysearch=&specialsearch=&daterange=&keywords=oy-lsd&range=&sort_order=&page_limit=15&thumbnails=&calccount=1183804&truecount=true&engine_version=6.0 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:05 AM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine Sellers remorse???? You should have seen the smile on my face when I saw it fly away :) Really I had mixed feelings, I did really like the thing, but what good is it, if I cant get it annualed, and cant afford to fly it. I took the money abd bought my boat, and my hangard is getting dry walled and airconditioned as we speak. BTW how did the inspection go with Bill C. Was he happy with the plane? Ernie On 8/1/07, Bill wrote: > > > Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new > motor > mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this > viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little > things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more > amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery. > If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big > Bucks!! > > The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know) > > 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute. > 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too! > > I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them. > Leaks. > Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours > flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet > jockey's > might have a much tougher ass. > > Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the > wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s. > > How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to > remind > the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and > we > can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy > owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the > L-29 > and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great > times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on > now, admit it. > > Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay. > When > I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was > the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that > after > the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but > still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?) > > Play nice and still have fun. > > Bill > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:08 AM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine Went well. 110% humidity! He likes it. We flew about 5 hours while I was there. I think I might go down and finish him up if he wants. Are you going to have dances in the hanger? Whats the latest CJ6 news? ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Martinez To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:34 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine Sellers remorse???? You should have seen the smile on my face when I saw it fly away :) Really I had mixed feelings, I did really like the thing, but what good is it, if I cant get it annualed, and cant afford to fly it. I took the money abd bought my boat, and my hangard is getting dry walled and airconditioned as we speak. BTW how did the inspection go with Bill C. Was he happy with the plane? Ernie On 8/1/07, Bill wrote: Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new motor mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery. If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big Bucks!! The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know) 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute. 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too! I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them. Leaks. Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet jockey's might have a much tougher ass. Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s. How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to remind the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and we can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the L-29 and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on now, admit it. Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay. When I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that after the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:51 AM PST US From: "David M." Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' "Hi Boyce, I am the new guy, Frank from Australia.... My philosophy is, "you can't take it with you when you go", or is that."you're gone a long time", no, I've got it now."the person who dies with the most toys wins"! <<>> And then the wife sells everything for 10 cents on the dollar. David M. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:49 AM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine Gonna have a hangar party when done. CJ is fine, I finally washed her, and she looks good enough to date :) Ernie On 8/1/07, Bill wrote: > > Went well. 110% humidity! > He likes it. We flew about 5 hours while I was there. I think I might go > down and finish him up if he wants. > > Are you going to have dances in the hanger? > > Whats the latest CJ6 news? > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ernest Martinez > *To:* l29-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:34 AM > *Subject:* Re: L29-List: Viper Engine > > Sellers remorse???? You should have seen the smile on my face when I saw > it fly away :) Really I had mixed feelings, I did really like the thing, but > what good is it, if I cant get it annualed, and cant afford to fly it. I > took the money abd bought my boat, and my hangard is getting dry walled and > airconditioned as we speak. > > BTW how did the inspection go with Bill C. Was he happy with the plane? > > Ernie > > On 8/1/07, Bill wrote: > > > > > Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new > > motor > > mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this > > viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the > > little > > things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more > > amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery. > > If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. > > Big > > Bucks!! > > > > The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know) > > > > 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute. > > 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too! > > > > I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them. > > Leaks. > > Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 > > hours > > flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet > > jockey's > > might have a much tougher ass. > > > > Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for > > the > > wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s. > > > > How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to > > remind > > the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, > > and we > > can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy > > owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the > > L-29 > > and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the > > great > > times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on > > now, admit it. > > > > Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay. > > When > > I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it > > was > > the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that > > after > > the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, > > but > > still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?) > > > > * > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:26 AM PST US From: SD737@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' Hi Frank, Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or Delta or American or USAir..... I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push the throttles up on a jet engine. :-) Safe flying guys! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:43 AM PST US From: SD737@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy HI Bill, That's what I've figured out. Why own one (L-29 or L-39) when you can fly a friend's plane and "just add fuel", albeit, LOTS of fuel.... Lol... ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:53 AM PST US From: SD737@aol.com Subject: L29-List: New Canopy Cover Anyone out there interested in saving some $ on a NEW Bruce's Custom Covers L-29 canopy cover? Scott Reno, NV 775-853-1946 SD737@AOL.COM ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:59 AM PST US Subject: SV: L29-List: New Canopy Cover From: "Lasse Rungholm" We are buyers for different stuff but we ned some prices??? Lasse, Denmark ________________________________ Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com p=E5 vegne af SD737@aol.com Sendt: on 01-08-2007 17:13 Til: l29-list@matronics.com Emne: L29-List: New Canopy Cover Anyone out there interested in saving some $ on a NEW Bruce's Custom Covers L-29 canopy cover? Scott Reno, NV 775-853-1946 SD737@AOL.COM ________________________________ . ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:10 AM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy How much for the T-33? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:26 AM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: New Guy I just got typed and was looking for one.... ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:17 AM PST US Subject: SV: L29-List: New Guy From: "Lasse Rungholm" Asking 100K EUR but will go for much lower ________________________________ Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com p=E5 vegne af Colyergreg@aol.com Sendt: on 01-08-2007 17:29 Til: l29-list@matronics.com Emne: Re: L29-List: New Guy How much for the T-33? ________________________________ . ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:12 AM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: L29-List: New Guy is that the one with canadian markings? would he go for 80K US? http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:24 AM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' Since I bought my plane (2000) fuel prices have more than tripled, my income has not. Ernie On 8/1/07, SD737@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Frank, > > Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or Delta or > American or USAir..... > > I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push the > throttles up on a jet engine. :-) > > Safe flying guys! > > > ------------------------------ > . > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:39 AM PST US Subject: SV: SV: L29-List: New Guy From: "Lasse Rungholm" http://www.avbuyer.com/AircraftSales/AircraftResults.asp?ListId=10&Airc raftManufacturerId=1242&subList=1229&NumberPerPage=10 It is OY-RUT. He is asking for EUR 100K (120k USD app) but he knows he wont get it. Just give him a reasonable offer. Everything is available and it is perfectly flyable. Just push the button. Out of annual though. It is in Denmark. Please write my brother directly at Rungholm@dat.dk or call him at +45 40 58 37 55. His name is Jesper Rungholm. He is the CEO of Danish Air Transport. www.dat.dk. Pictures here: http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=OY-RUT&distinct_ entry=true I think he might let it go for 80K US. Best regards OPMAS Lawyer Lasse Rungholm, CEO, CPL MEIR lr@opmas.dk _________________________________ Tel.: +45 70 20 00 51 Fax: +45 70 20 00 61 OPM Aviation Services ApS EU VAT DK25208463 Soenderborggade 9 DK-8000 Aarhus C Denmark 6th. VAT TACTICAL WING www.opmas.dk The information and opinions contained in this e-mail are for general information purposes, are not intended to constitute legal or other professional advice, and should not be relied on or treated as a substitute for specific advice relevant to particular circumstances. The information contained in this e-mail is intended solely to provide general guidance for the personal use of the reader, who accepts full responsibility for its use. For a full set of Terms & Conditions - please check www.opmas.dk ________________________________ Fra: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] P=E5 vegne af Colyergreg@aol.com Sendt: 1. august 2007 17:51 Til: l29-list@matronics.com Emne: Re: SV: L29-List: New Guy is that the one with canadian markings? would he go for 80K US? AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:06 AM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: Re: L29-List: Well, I've read everyone's comments. I really don't think the L-29 is the issue or buying an L-39 for 3, 4 or 5 times the money will solve the problem. Lets face it !! The fuel prices have climbed at such a crazy rate that it makes flying the jets for most of us difficult at best. At my airport the FBO is at $4.90 per gal. So a couple laps around the pattern is $1,000. Its tough and the trip to Oshkosh this year was about a $2,000 splash. Everyone flying the jets needs to look into alternate methods of fueling the aircraft. i.e., bringing kerosene to the plane in a tank, trailer whatever. Most places kerosene is in the $2.65 to $3.00 per gal range. Certainly better than $4 or 5. Even for the well healed guys if Jet A keeps going up, its going to be tough to fly much. For me, its hard to even stay current in the L-29. A lot of the enthusiasm is goes fast when a fly in breakfast costs $1,500 or $2,000. But for me , its still a life long dream and every minute of jet time is exciting, just very costly . I guess it becomes priorities in each of our respective lives. Its important enough to me still, to put some other luxuries aside to get that hour or 2 a month in, But I can understand how many of you have sold the planes and moved on. Its a big eat. Best of luck to all. (yes Ernie you had a really nice L29) sorry you sold but I really understand. BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Martinez To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' Since I bought my plane (2000) fuel prices have more than tripled, my income has not. Ernie On 8/1/07, SD737@aol.com wrote: Hi Frank, Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or Delta or American or USAir..... I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push the throttles up on a jet engine. :-) Safe flying guys! AOL.com. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:31 AM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: Re: L29-List: Whoa Bob, you gotta move to a place where you can have a fuel tank. I was getting K1 for $2.85 and that was way too much for me. At $4.90 I would have poured dirt in the cockpit and made a real cool planter :) Ernie On 8/1/07, ROBERT SCHWARTZ wrote: > > Well, I've read everyone's comments. I really don't think the L-29 is > the issue or buying an L-39 for 3, 4 or 5 times the money will solve the > problem. Lets face it !! The fuel prices have climbed at such a crazy rate > that it makes flying the jets for most of us difficult at best. > > At my airport the FBO is at $4.90 per gal. So a couple laps around the > pattern is $1,000. Its tough and the trip to Oshkosh this year was about a > $2,000 splash. Everyone flying the jets needs to look into alternate > methods of fueling the aircraft. i.e., bringing kerosene to the plane in > a tank, trailer whatever. Most places kerosene is in the $2.65 to $3.00 per > gal range. Certainly better than $4 or 5. > > Even for the well healed guys if Jet A keeps going up, its going to be > tough to fly much. For me, its hard to even stay current in the L-29. A lot > of the enthusiasm is goes fast when a fly in breakfast costs $1,500 or > $2,000. But for me , its still a life long dream and every minute of jet > time is exciting, just very costly . I guess it becomes priorities in each > of our respective lives. Its important enough to me still, to put some other > luxuries aside to get that hour or 2 a month in, But I can understand how > many of you have sold the planes and moved on. Its a big eat. Best of luck > to all. (yes Ernie you had a really nice L29) sorry you sold but I really > understand. > > BOB > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ernest Martinez > *To:* l29-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:15 AM > *Subject:* Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' > > Since I bought my plane (2000) fuel prices have more than tripled, my > income has not. > > Ernie > > On 8/1/07, SD737@aol.com wrote: > > > > Hi Frank, > > > > Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or Delta > > or American or USAir..... > > > > I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push the > > throttles up on a jet engine. :-) > > > > Safe flying guys! > > > > > > > > AOL.com. > > > > * > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > * > > > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:08 AM PST US From: "brian" Subject: Re: L29-List: bob I could not agree with you more. thats the only way I can fly. I can't for the life of me figure out if this is the l-29 list or the anti L-29 list. to each there own I guess. I will fly mine as long as I can... then when I cant afford the fuel any more I will keep flying it!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 12:47 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: Well, I've read everyone's comments. I really don't think the L-29 is the issue or buying an L-39 for 3, 4 or 5 times the money will solve the problem. Lets face it !! The fuel prices have climbed at such a crazy rate that it makes flying the jets for most of us difficult at best. At my airport the FBO is at $4.90 per gal. So a couple laps around the pattern is $1,000. Its tough and the trip to Oshkosh this year was about a $2,000 splash. Everyone flying the jets needs to look into alternate methods of fueling the aircraft. i.e., bringing kerosene to the plane in a tank, trailer whatever. Most places kerosene is in the $2.65 to $3.00 per gal range. Certainly better than $4 or 5. Even for the well healed guys if Jet A keeps going up, its going to be tough to fly much. For me, its hard to even stay current in the L-29. A lot of the enthusiasm is goes fast when a fly in breakfast costs $1,500 or $2,000. But for me , its still a life long dream and every minute of jet time is exciting, just very costly . I guess it becomes priorities in each of our respective lives. Its important enough to me still, to put some other luxuries aside to get that hour or 2 a month in, But I can understand how many of you have sold the planes and moved on. Its a big eat. Best of luck to all. (yes Ernie you had a really nice L29) sorry you sold but I really understand. BOB ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Martinez To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' Since I bought my plane (2000) fuel prices have more than tripled, my income has not. Ernie On 8/1/07, SD737@aol.com wrote: Hi Frank, Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or Delta or American or USAir..... I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push the throttles up on a jet engine. :-) Safe flying guys! AOL.com. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?L29-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:10 AM PST US From: Greg Morris Subject: Re: L29-List: New Canopy Cover Scott, We are interested in purchasing one, how much do you want for it? Greg Morris ---- Original message ---- Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:13:23 EDT From: SD737@aol.com Subject: L29-List: New Canopy Cover To: l29-list@matronics.com Anyone out there interested in saving some $ on a NEW Bruce's Custom Covers L-29 canopy cover? Scott Reno, NV 775-853-1946 SD737@AOL.COM ------------------------------------------------ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:10 AM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' No, her boy friend has a nice jet! ----- Original Message ----- From: David M. To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:18 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' "Hi Boyce, I am the new guy, Frank from Australia.... My philosophy is, "you can't take it with you when you go", or is that."you're gone a long time", no, I've got it now."the person who dies with the most toys wins"! <<>> And then the wife sells everything for 10 cents on the dollar. David M. ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:48 PM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Here's another reason to like the L-29...Thsi from the T-28 list I get mail on: Just a note to let the R1300 guys know that Aircraft Clyinder has all parts required to rebuild the R1300. They have hundreds of cylinders, and all the harder to find parts. (crank shaft, pins for the counter weights, master rods, ect). They can build you an engine for 40K, and rebuild yours for around 31K. Certainly nothing against the T-28's. I love them too! bOYCE http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:18 PM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: I love my L-29 and won't trade it or sell it for anything. It's a jet and it's mine. Even if I buy something else I will always love the '29. It's dependable, flys great and it's mine and I am not rich. Greg http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:36 PM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: RE: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' Come on guys, what kind of a world would we live in if everything went up at the same time? I said, and it was conveniently left out,"wages go up (over time!)". The reality is that fuel was cheap for a very long time. At least it was down hear in Aus. I now pay about $1.50 a liter for av-gas down here which is about $5.67 per US gallon. How does that compare with av-gas in the 'States? I don't know about Jet-A prices.yet! Frank _____ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 2:15 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: The cost to the 'New Guy' Since I bought my plane (2000) fuel prices have more than tripled, my income has not. Ernie On 8/1/07, SD737@aol.com wrote: Hi Frank, Wages go up? Hmmm..... Not at United Airlines or Northwest or Delta or American or USAir..... I've gotta go to work and fly a trip to be able to afford to push the throttles up on a jet engine. :-) Safe flying guys! AOL.com. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:58 PM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: RE: L29-List: Viper Engine Hi Bill, Thanks for that. I thought the wet wing might have some problems. I am very interested in the Viper but at the moment I can see $75,000.00 would be better spent on a spare engine and fuel and maybe a spare aircraft going on current prices! It is something worth considering though if original engines and spares become a drama. I like the rate of climb on offer. Regards, Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:53 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new motor mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery. If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big Bucks!! The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know) 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute. 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too! I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them. Leaks. Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet jockey's might have a much tougher ass. Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s. How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to remind the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and we can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the L-29 and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on now, admit it. Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay. When I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that after the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?) Play nice and still have fun. Bill ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:04 PM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine You can get an engine for under $20,000. Do it yourself??? I do believe that the leaks were fixed. I am sure I don't want to sit for another hour of flying, (110 gallons, 55 per wing) it would be nice to have the reserve. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "franknlynn" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: RE: L29-List: Viper Engine > > Hi Bill, > > Thanks for that. I thought the wet wing might have some problems. I am > very > interested in the Viper but at the moment I can see $75,000.00 would be > better spent on a spare engine and fuel and maybe a spare aircraft going > on > current prices! It is something worth considering though if original > engines > and spares become a drama. I like the rate of climb on offer. > > Regards, > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:53 PM > To: l29-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine > > > Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new > motor > > mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this > viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little > things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more > amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery. > If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big > Bucks!! > > The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know) > > 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute. > 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too! > > I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them. > Leaks. > Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours > flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet > jockey's > might have a much tougher ass. > > Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the > wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s. > > How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to > remind > > the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and > we > > can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy > owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the > L-29 > > and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great > times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on > now, admit it. > > Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay. > When > I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was > the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that > after > the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but > still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?) > > Play nice and still have fun. > > Bill > > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:46:37 PM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: RE: L29-List: Viper Engine If I could get some written assistance or information on how the guys did theirs I would certainly look into it. The reserve fuel would be nice to have also and perhaps for a longer than normal ferry. One of the hurdles here is because we don't use 'experimental' for warbirds we need to have a Part 35 engineer approve all mods. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 9:35 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine You can get an engine for under $20,000. Do it yourself??? I do believe that the leaks were fixed. I am sure I don't want to sit for another hour of flying, (110 gallons, 55 per wing) it would be nice to have the reserve. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "franknlynn" Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: RE: L29-List: Viper Engine > > Hi Bill, > > Thanks for that. I thought the wet wing might have some problems. I am > very > interested in the Viper but at the moment I can see $75,000.00 would be > better spent on a spare engine and fuel and maybe a spare aircraft going > on > current prices! It is something worth considering though if original > engines > and spares become a drama. I like the rate of climb on offer. > > Regards, > > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:53 PM > To: l29-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: L29-List: Viper Engine > > > Mine was the first Viper (Maybe second?) Anyway, you have to build new > motor > > mounts, exhaust pipe, we got exhaust from a Strikmaster which uses this > viper model. Cut the pipe to size. The big deal was getting all the little > things working; fuel, hydraulics, valves & levers etc. Takes a bit more > amperage to start. Bigger battery cables and nice expensive battery. > If you get an engine, be sure that it has the starter/generator unit. Big > Bucks!! > > The biggest benefit - manuals are in english. (British you know) > > 6,000 to 8,000 feet per minute. > 90gph at 24,000'. Thats better than most of the trainers. Faster too! > > I didn't have the $$ to do the wet wing. I know a guy that has them. > Leaks. > Besides, this is the most uncomfortable jet I have ever flown. 1 1/2 hours > flying, I want out! I'm a wimp though. The rest of these young jet > jockey's > might have a much tougher ass. > > Approx $75,000 to have your jet done. I think is used to be $4,500 for the > wet wings. Let me know if you want his phone #s. > > How come all you guys that have sold your airplanes, feel the need to > remind > > the rest of us now, that we own boat anchor's and the gas is to much, and > we > > can't afford to fly, gas will be too expensive? You all used to be happy > owning one? And I remember the guy in the East that took to bashing the > L-29 > > and we all jumped him to defend our little jets and told him all the great > times we have. I think you all regret selling. Sellers Remorse!! Come on > now, admit it. > > Mine cost me absolutely nothing to own. If I don't fly it, thats okay. > When > I save a little money and buy some fuel, I still to this day think it was > the greatest adventure and opportunity in my life. Okay, I admit that > after > the 37th airplane showed up at my hanger I was questioning my wisdom, but > still a great "Touch-and-Go on the runway of life! (How sappy is that?) > > Play nice and still have fun. > > Bill > > > ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:54:28 PM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the 'G' suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting? Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. Frank ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:12:04 PM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? 2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost $5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc. I like my air brakes part of the adventure. I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for 5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric air from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks good hanging in the hanger. Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look really bad! (Want to race?) ----- Original Message ----- From: franknlynn To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the 'G' suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting? Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. Frank ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:03 PM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: L29-List: Yo Bill Bill, Signal to noise ratio getting a bit high on my receiver, going to bail on current channel. Contact on private email. Ernie ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:57 PM PST US From: SD737@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Add another L-29 to the SOLD list. Today my HOG is under new ownership. Fuel HOG that is..... aka., PIG http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:41 PM PST US From: delfin@mail.pf Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 bars and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main switch pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a special connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable. Jean de Roubin Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit : > I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to > take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also > does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated > for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of > anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally > whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92 suits > obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them > from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting? > > > Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. > > > Frank > > ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:44 PM PST US From: SD737@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: A good reason to BUY a spare Factory Overhauled Zero Time Engine for your L-29!!! Oh, also tubes & tires are going to be something you guys might want to keep as a spare. Ever think about what your plan of action is when you blow a tire and there are no spares around? The right "hoof" on my pig decided to start leaking and had to put a new tube in it. http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:23 PM PST US From: SD737@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Geez Greg, I thought you loved me more than your L-29? http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:15 PM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: Where di it go? Anybody we know? ----- Original Message ----- From: SD737@aol.com To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: Add another L-29 to the SOLD list. Today my HOG is under new ownership. Fuel HOG that is..... aka., PIG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 05:35:13 PM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through the lines. ----- Original Message ----- From: delfin@mail.pf To: franknlynn Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 bars and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main switch pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a special connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable. Jean de Roubin Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit : I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92 suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting? Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. Frank ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:00 PM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: Send me a price on my private E-mail. Engine, front canopy, tires. ----- Original Message ----- From: SD737@aol.com To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: A good reason to BUY a spare Factory Overhauled Zero Time Engine for your L-29!!! Oh, also tubes & tires are going to be something you guys might want to keep as a spare. Ever think about what your plan of action is when you blow a tire and there are no spares around? The right "hoof" on my pig decided to start leaking and had to put a new tube in it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:09 PM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: L29-List: Ground Rules Guys, When I had Mat from Matronics start this list for me I never envisioned the traffic that we are now seeing. So here are a few points for those of you who are new to email lists. 1. If you want to respond to a thread that is getting a little long, delete everything in your email other than your response. 2. Dont reply to a thread unless you intend to contibute to that particular subject....If you have a new question or thought start a new thread. 3. Always populate your subject line 4. Dont feel compelled to answer to every thread you read with thing like "Yea me too" 5. No politics 6. No religion 7. No trashing other people ( unless they're universally deservant of it like Dave Sutton) 8. This is an open unmoderated list so dont feed the trolls. 9. Its ok for me to trash L-29's 10. Have fun ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:09 PM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: RE: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? Might need a snort valve like the Yak-52 perhaps? _____ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through the lines. ----- Original Message ----- From: delfin@mail.pf Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 bars and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main switch pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a special connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable. Jean de Roubin Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit : I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92 suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting? Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. Frank href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics .com/ Navigator?L29-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:41 PM PST US From: delfin@mail.pf Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? It dry the air. There is a purge to turn after the flight to put the water off. I put the compressor off when doing aerobatics. Working perfectly since many years. Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 14:35, Bill a =E9crit : > Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through > the lines. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: delfin@mail.pf > To: franknlynn > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? > > I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the > right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 > bars and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main > switch pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a > special connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable. > Jean de Roubin > Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit : > >> I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to >> take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also >> does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all >> deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested >> to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. >> Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the >> =91G=92 suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you >> source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 >> fitting? >> >> >> Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. >> >> >> Frank >> >> > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-Listhref="http:// > forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > ======================== > ======================== > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:41 PM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: RE: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? Thanks Bill, Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to ask than you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start work on it. If I can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott is not replying to me??) I will stick with the original stuff. Where did you fit the new oxy bottle/s Bill and how much capacity is there? Good to know the increased brake system lasts a while. I read about the guys in the U.K doing it and wondered how good it would be. No races your Viper would blow me away I am sure! I will get that number off you too for the Viper conversion and wet wings just so I can touch base if need be. Thanks Jean, Did you make up the special connector for the 'G' suit yourself and would you like to make or tell me where I can get two more? Thanks to everyone for your input. Frank _____ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:12 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? 2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost $5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc. I like my air brakes part of the adventure. I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for 5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric air from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks good hanging in the hanger. Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look really bad! (Want to race?) ----- Original Message ----- From: franknlynn Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the 'G' suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting? Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. Frank ________________________________ Message 55 ____________________________________ Time: 06:06:18 PM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? Please send pix and where can I get one. ----- Original Message ----- From: delfin@mail.pf To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? It dry the air. There is a purge to turn after the flight to put the water off. I put the compressor off when doing aerobatics. Working perfectly since many years. Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 14:35, Bill a =E9crit : Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through the lines. ----- Original Message ----- From: delfin@mail.pf To: franknlynn Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 bars and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main switch pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a special connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable. Jean de Roubin Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit : I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92 suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting? Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. Frank href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?L29-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.com - The L29-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 56 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:30 PM PST US From: delfin@mail.pf Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? I thing so, I don't know the Yak-52. The work had been made by a tzech team some years ago Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 14:50, franknlynn a =E9crit : > Might need a snort valve like the Yak-52 perhaps? > > > From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:36 AM > To: l29-list@matronics.com; franknlynn > Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? > > > Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through > the lines. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: delfin@mail.pf > > To: franknlynn > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM > > Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? > > > I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the > right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 > bars and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main > switch pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with a > special connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable. > > Jean de Roubin > > Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit : > > > I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to > take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also > does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated > for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of > anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally > whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92 suits > obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them > from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting? > > Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. > > Frank > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > ======================== > ======================== > ________________________________ Message 57 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:34 PM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: L29-List: Brakes G-suits, and air I have pneumatic brakes in my CJ-6 Nanchang, learned how to use them in my L-29. I would'nt have it any other way They are much more presices than Hydraulic brakes and a hell of a lot easier to maintain. Every L-29 newbie has the same question(yours truly included) how can I convert to western brakes........Not worth it.... this is a western system copied by the Soviets. The F-86 has the same braking system as your 29. Learn how to use it and you'll learn to love it...(remember me Bill???). It is the hardest thing to master on this airplane, but once you master it it is wonderful. I can pull up to my hangar and swing my airplane 180 degrees like a tail dragger. I hate toe brakes! Yes other people have done it, but ask them if it was worth the effort. I would rather spend the money on air condtioning. Just cause I sold my airplane doesnt mean I'm gonna abandon the L-29 crowd. I still love the plane and maybe I can still mooch a ride now and then. Hey I have no reason to trash innovation, I just want to put across some better alternatives. Ernie ________________________________ Message 58 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:26 PM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? Rear cockpit along the left side wall. When you remove the old radios, there is room on both sides. You should beable to take out over 400 pounds. I still fill the oxy from the nose as usual. We have about 4 hours at 24,000'. (2 pilots) Dave Cannavo cell is 302-528-1601 home is 302-378-1396. On the East coast of the USA. ----- Original Message ----- From: franknlynn To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: RE: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? Thanks Bill, Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to ask than you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start work on it. If I can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott is not replying to me??) I will stick with the original stuff. Where did you fit the new oxy bottle/s Bill and how much capacity is there? Good to know the increased brake system lasts a while. I read about the guys in the U.K doing it and wondered how good it would be. No races your Viper would blow me away I am sure! I will get that number off you too for the Viper conversion and wet wings just so I can touch base if need be. Thanks Jean, Did you make up the special connector for the 'G' suit yourself and would you like to make or tell me where I can get two more? Thanks to everyone for your input. Frank ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:12 AM To: l29-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? 2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost $5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc. I like my air brakes part of the adventure. I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for 5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric air from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks good hanging in the hanger. Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look really bad! (Want to race?) ----- Original Message ----- From: franknlynn To: l29-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the 'G' suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting? Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. Frank ________________________________ Message 59 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:39 PM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: L29-List: Air Compressors For those fo you who are interested in using an on board air compressor. There is a compresor called a "Cornelieous" (spelling is definately not right). It is a 24v air compressor used in many USAF airplanes. They can be found on occasion on E-Bay. They can deliver 3000 PSI and draw about 80 amps. It is a good emergency system. I had it on my airplane but it was burned out by the previous owner. High pressure compressors require a special oil changed regularly. The previous owner didnt follow that maintenance routine. It was mounted in the old ADF bay in the starboard nose compartment Ernie ________________________________ Message 60 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:28 PM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: RE: L29-List: Brakes G-suits, and air Thanks Ernie, I have done a bit of flying in a Yak-52 and the brakes, although different, are no big deal. I agree it is all part of the enjoyment of operating that kind of aircraft. I was not really looking at converting for that reason, more that if I intend to try and work the aircraft to cover costs I want it to be as ground support free as possible. The Yak-52 and probably the CJ-6 has the compressor so a similar system for the -29 would be great or the increased capacity by using the old oxy bottles. Just exploring options. Great to get all of this feed back from everyone, keep it coming. Cheers, Frank _____ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:09 AM Subject: L29-List: Brakes G-suits, and air I have pneumatic brakes in my CJ-6 Nanchang, learned how to use them in my L-29. I would'nt have it any other way They are much more presices than Hydraulic brakes and a hell of a lot easier to maintain. Every L-29 newbie has the same question(yours truly included) how can I convert to western brakes........Not worth it.... this is a western system copied by the Soviets. The F-86 has the same braking system as your 29. Learn how to use it and you'll learn to love it...(remember me Bill???). It is the hardest thing to master on this airplane, but once you master it it is wonderful. I can pull up to my hangar and swing my airplane 180 degrees like a tail dragger. I hate toe brakes! Yes other people have done it, but ask them if it was worth the effort. I would rather spend the money on air condtioning. Just cause I sold my airplane doesnt mean I'm gonna abandon the L-29 crowd. I still love the plane and maybe I can still mooch a ride now and then. Hey I have no reason to trash innovation, I just want to put across some better alternatives. Ernie ________________________________ Message 61 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:19 PM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? If you must have O2, ( I wanted it cause it gave me a reason to wear the mask with my helmet), put a modern kevlar 3000PSI bottle up front ( you're probably nose light if you've removed all your radios, and russion O2 bottles) then get a High pressure to Low pressure regulator 3000PSI to 300 PSIon the bottle. Run low pressure lines to Litton L-1011 regulators which you can buy on E-Bay all day long. I have 3 of them. These are the same regulators that you see in your Nigerion Flight manuals for the L29. They fit perfectly on the starboard side deck. Ernie ________________________________ Message 62 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:09 PM PST US From: delfin@mail.pf Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? for Franck, Someone make it for me many years ago. You need a east anti-G. You have to cut the male part going in the female part on the plane, and a female part for west anti-g. Just assemble the two parts with a hose. Jean Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 15:03, franknlynn a =E9crit : > Thanks Bill, > > > Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to > ask than you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start > work on it. If I can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott > is not replying to me??) I will stick with the original stuff. > Where did you fit the new oxy bottle/s Bill and how much capacity > is there? Good to know the increased brake system lasts a while. I > read about the guys in the U.K doing it and wondered how good it > would be. No races your Viper would blow me away I am sure! I will > get that number off you too for the Viper conversion and wet wings > just so I can touch base if need be. > > > Thanks Jean, > > > Did you make up the special connector for the =91G=92 suit yourself and > would you like to make or tell me where I can get two more? > > > Thanks to everyone for your input. > > > Frank > > > From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:12 AM > To: l29-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? > > > 2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under > construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were > almost $5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc. I like my > air brakes part of the adventure. > > > I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full > for 5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like > breathing metric air from over there. I have an original "G" suit > but don't use it. Looks good hanging in the hanger. > > > Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I > think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full > court press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my > airplane look really bad! (Want to race?) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: franknlynn > > To: l29-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 PM > > Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? > > > I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 to > take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? Also > does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all deactivated > for extra brake system capacity? I would be interested to hear of > anyone who does have and run a serviceable oxy system. Finally > whilst we are on this kind of subject does anyone use the =91G=92 suits > obtainable for this aircraft and if so where did you source them > from or are they western suits adopted for the L-29 fitting? > > > Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. > > > Frank > > ________________________________ Message 63 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:49 PM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: Re: L29-List: Brakes G-suits, and air Hey buddy, Welcome aboard. Hell you fly 52's you're an old pro. An L-29 just has higer approach speeds :) No worries, maintenance on a pneumatic system is much simpler than a hydraulic system. Hell theres no pump! Just fill n go :) If you have a real tight L-29 you can hold enough pressure for 4 flights per day for 4 days before you're empty. My airplane......140 BAR at 12:00 ......50 BAR at 12:30 Oh well it was a good flight :) Ernie On 8/1/07, franknlynn wrote: > > Thanks Ernie, > > > I have done a bit of flying in a Yak-52 and the brakes, although > different, are no big deal. I agree it is all part of the enjoyment of > operating that kind of aircraft. I was not really l > ________________________________ Message 64 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:15 PM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: RE: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? Wow you guys, this stuff is pure gold! Thanks for all your info and advice. You don't know how much I appreciate it. What kind of endurance did you get with that bottle Ernie? Frank _____ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:28 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? If you must have O2, ( I wanted it cause it gave me a reason to wear the mask with my helmet), put a modern kevlar 3000PSI bottle up front ( you're probably nose light if you've removed all your radios, and russion O2 bottles) then get a High pressure to Low pressure regulator 3000PSI to 300 PSIon the bottle. Run low pressure lines to Litton L-1011 regulators which you can buy on E-Bay all day long. I have 3 of them. These are the same regulators that you see in your Nigerion Flight manuals for the L29. They fit perfectly on the starboard side deck. Ernie ________________________________ Message 65 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:48 PM PST US From: "franknlynn" Subject: RE: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? O.K thanks Jean. Frank _____ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of delfin@mail.pf Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:31 AM Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? for Franck, Someone make it for me many years ago. You need a east anti-G. You have to cut the male part going in the female part on the plane, and a female part for west anti-g. Just assemble the two parts with a hose. Jean Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 15:03, franknlynn a =E9crit : Thanks Bill, Just some things I had picked up over the years and who better to ask than you guys. I want to get these ideas decided before I start work on it. If I can find a source of spare tyres and wheels (Scott is not replying to me??) I will stick with the original stuff. Where did you fit the new oxy bottle/s Bill and how much capacity is there? Good to know the increased brake system lasts a while. I read about the guys in the U.K doing it and wondered how good it would be. No races your Viper would blow me away I am sure! I will get that number off you too for the Viper conversion and wet wings just so I can touch base if need be. Thanks Jean, Did you make up the special connector for the =91G=92 suit yourself and would you like to make or tell me where I can get two more? Thanks to everyone for your input. Frank 2 people working on toe brakes. Axles built wheels on, pedals under construction. The guys in Minneapolis say the parts alone were almost $5000. Clevland brakes, wheels new bearings etc. I like my air brakes part of the adventure. I converted all bottles to nitrogin. Mine doesn't leak. Stays full for 5-6 months. I put a new Oxygen system in. I didn't like breathing metric air from over there. I have an original "G" suit but don't use it. Looks good hanging in the hanger. Guys, Frank has to many ideas and wants to do to many projects. I think we all need to load up and go Down-Under" and put a full court press on him to just fly and have fun. He's going to make my airplane look really bad! (Want to race?) ----- Original Message ----- From: franknlynn Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? to and much the Web =========== ________________________________ Message 66 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:38 PM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? Never had any opportunity to use it. An L-29 above 17k feet is looking for fuel. O2 is a novelty, not a real practical item. I spent 95% of my time under 10k feet, 70% under 5k feet and 20% under 2k feet doing fly by's. You dont go anywhere in L-29's, you fire them up, take off, thank god you gained altitude, then you trim up try to go fast and then say...."OK where do we go now" then you scare some cows and come home and hope you can remember how to land, since its been so long since youve done it before. Then you squeak it on and realize how great this airplane is. I remember Bill's words to me "Dont worry Ern, I'tll look like you;re going to smash the nose gear onto the runway.......just hold your speed , and the ground will come up to meet you" Hot Damn!!!!! its works that way every time HEE HEE Ernie ________________________________ Message 67 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:42 PM PST US From: delfin@mail.pf Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? You have to wait about 15 days, when i be back in France Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 15:06, Bill a =E9crit : > Please send pix and where can I get one. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: delfin@mail.pf > To: l29-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? > > It dry the air. There is a purge to turn after the flight to put > the water off. I put the compressor off when doing aerobatics. > Working perfectly since many years. > Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 14:35, Bill a =E9crit : > >> Does it dry the air? Or is the moiture is flowing freely through >> the lines. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: delfin@mail.pf >> To: franknlynn >> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:24 PM >> Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? >> >> I use an air electric compressor, in place in the nose, on the >> right (where was the original IFF). It goes automatically on at 20 >> bars and goes off at 50 bars. I have a switch for this on the main >> switch pannel. I use also both original and westerns anti-G, with >> a special connector. My oxygen circuit is still working and usable. >> Jean de Roubin >> Le 1 ao=FBt 07 =E0 13:52, franknlynn a =E9crit : >> >>> I read in some old posts there was someone modifying there L-29 >>> to take western wheels and hydraulic brakes. Was it successful? >>> Also does anyone run their oxygen system at all or is it all >>> deactivated for extra brake system capacity? I would be >>> interested to hear of anyone who does have and run a serviceable >>> oxy system. Finally whilst we are on this kind of subject does >>> anyone use the =91G=92 suits obtainable for this aircraft and if so >>> where did you source them from or are they western suits adopted >>> for the L-29 fitting? >>> >>> >>> Thanks to anyone who might be able to answer these questions. >>> >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http:// >> www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-Listhref="http:// >> forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> - The L29-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted- >> space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29- >> List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple- >> converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com >> > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List">http:// > www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-Listhref="http:// > forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > ======================== > ======================== > ________________________________ Message 68 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:22 PM PST US From: "Ernest Martinez" Subject: L29-List: Bridge I know that `Bill is from that area...................We're all pray'ing for all involved. ________________________________ Message 69 ____________________________________ Time: 08:53:00 PM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Hydraulic Brakes, Oxy and 'G' suits? I put us regulators in mine out of a T-38. High pressure bottle with a reducer to feed the regulators. works awesome. I use it on cross country flights and anytime above 10K Greg http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 70 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:23 PM PST US From: Colyergreg@aol.com Subject: Re: L29-List: you get me into this mess then you bail!!! some friend!!! http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 71 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:27 PM PST US From: "gary and ann" Subject: RE: L29-List: L-29 Tires & Parts Scott and all I still have 2 flying 29s one in Houston on a grass 3300ft strip behind my house and one at Cannavo's in Delaware. Fuel is high but what a rush. I do about 5 to 6 flights a month with GIB buying fuel. Save me a pass at" Reno" Scott and look forward to seeing everyone. I have seen the wet wing on 2 ships done at Dave's and the work was great. Still 1 gallon a mile and the drops are good enough for me. The other Viper 29 at New Castle in Delaware is an R model with wet wings. Joe flies it every week as he does the Mig 21. What a lot of post at one time. Congratulations Ernie on your sale. Scott post some prices or send me direct. Gary Cole _____ I've stopped 10,744 spam and fraud messages. You can too! Free trial of spam and fraud protection at www.cloudmark.com _____ From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SD737@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 11:15 PM Subject: L29-List: L-29 Tires & Parts Looks like I've sold my L-29. Does anyone need new main tires and new nose tire. Now's the chance to pick up some fresh rubber here in the US!!! We brought in a bunch of L-29 junk... ah... I mean valuable parts, and so now I have all sorts of good stuff in my hangar, but no airplane to use the stuff. 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The information will NOT be used for any other commercial purpose. **************************************** *** Realtime Web Email List Browsing *** **************************************** Recent messages posted to the L29-List are also made available on the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject, Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon). You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List Browser Interface in view-mode. http://www.matronics.com/browselist/l29-list ******************************************* *** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface *** ******************************************* A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all L29-List content. content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to the web Forums. You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login. If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the Email Distribution of the List, however. The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL: http://forums.matronics.com ********************************* *** Matronics Email List Wiki *** ********************************* In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at: http://wiki.matronics.com The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately. While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any images and email it to: wiki-support@matronics.com One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct a Wiki page for you. Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that post and convert it into a Wiki page. ********************* *** List Archives *** ********************* A file containing of all of the previous postings to the L29-List is available on line. The archive file information is available via the Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below: * L29-List.FAQ - Latest version of the L29-List Frequently Asked Question page (this document). * L29-Archive.digest.complete - Complete file with most of the email header info removed and page breaks inserted between messages. * L29-Archive.digest.vol-?? - Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that can more easily handled. * L29-Archive.digest.complete.zip - Same as the L29-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. * L29-Archive.digest.complete.Z - Same as the L29-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods. Download Via FTP ---------------- The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.) ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives Download Via Web ---------------- The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found toward the bottom of the following web page: http://www.matronics.com/archives ****************************************** *** Complete List Web Archive Browsing *** ****************************************** All messages posted to the L29-List are also available using the Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed. http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?L29 ***************************************** **** High-Speed Archive Search Engine *** ***************************************** You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently available List archives. http://www.matronics.com/search **************************** *** File and Photo Share *** **************************** With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures and other data with members of the List without having to forward a copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email them to: pictures@matronics.com !! ==> Please including the following information with each submission: 1) Email Lists that they are related to. 2) Your Full Name. 3) Your Email Address. 4) One line Subject description. 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic. 6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to process them every few days. Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new Share is available and what the direct URL to it is. For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main Index Page: http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ************************** *** List Archive CDROM *** ************************** A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make great gifts! http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM ********************************** *** List Support Contributions *** ********************************** The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members. You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month, I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they are comfortable. I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated by companies that are themselves List members. Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the variety of services found here. Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude. Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in. The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and sending a personal check. If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to support its continued operation? http://www.matronics.com/contributions Thank you! Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** L29-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the L29-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the L29-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. L29-List Policy Statement The purpose of the L29-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 73 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:54 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: L29-List: Official L29-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the L29-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete L29-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/L29-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** L29-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the L29-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the L29-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. L29-List Policy Statement The purpose of the L29-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 74 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:14 PM PST US From: "Bill" Subject: Re: L29-List: L-29 Tires & Parts Gary, try to get to Lamar for the clinic. We need one more L-29 guy. 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