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1. 04:26 AM - Equipment (franknlynn)
2. 11:39 AM - Re: Equipment (Bill)
3. 02:08 PM - Re: Equipment (franknlynn)
4. 02:58 PM - (Robert Schwartz)
5. 02:58 PM - (Robert Schwartz)
6. 06:44 PM - Re: Equipment (Bill)
7. 06:45 PM - Re: (No subject header) (Bill)
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Bill,
You mentioned removal of approximately 400 pounds in the form of old radios
and such. What about the ejection seat mechanism? There seams to be a lot of
dead weight in that gear. Has anyone looked into removing that stuff? Is
there a definitive list of equipment that it is recommended should be
removed?
Thanks,
Frank
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No list. You can get as crazy as you like. (Wiring, cannon plugs etc.)
You'll spend 6 hours chasing 5 oz. of wire. Not worth it.
Ejection stuff has been removed by some guys. Including the barrel
(pipe), the canopy jett. mechanisim.
They made aluminum blocks that bolt above the seat rails to hold you in
the cockpit.
We removed, VHF radios, 2 invedrtors, IFF unit, ADF, 3 or 4 boxes in
front of the front instrument panel against the fire wall. I actually
removed the RMI which got rid of all the stuff on the lower side wall,
left rear cockpit. Out an Electric DG in.
Of course I put 83 pounds of lead in the nose cone. Good trade off.
Don't forget the steel plates in the tail that can come out. That will
help a little with W&B.
Have fun. Good winter project!
----- Original Message -----
From: franknlynn
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:25 AM
Subject: L29-List: Equipment
Bill,
You mentioned removal of approximately 400 pounds in the form of old
radios and such. What about the ejection seat mechanism? There seams to
be a lot of dead weight in that gear. Has anyone looked into removing
that stuff? Is there a definitive list of equipment that it is
recommended should be removed?
Thanks,
Frank
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Well a saving of over 300 pounds is excellent. My next question is what
steel plates in the tail would you be talking about?
Frank
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[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2007 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: L29-List: Equipment
No list. You can get as crazy as you like. (Wiring, cannon plugs etc.)
You'll spend 6 hours chasing 5 oz. of wire. Not worth it.
Ejection stuff has been removed by some guys. Including the barrel (pipe),
the canopy jett. mechanisim.
They made aluminum blocks that bolt above the seat rails to hold you in the
cockpit.
We removed, VHF radios, 2 invedrtors, IFF unit, ADF, 3 or 4 boxes in front
of the front instrument panel against the fire wall. I actually removed the
RMI which got rid of all the stuff on the lower side wall, left rear
cockpit. Out an Electric DG in.
Of course I put 83 pounds of lead in the nose cone. Good trade off.
Don't forget the steel plates in the tail that can come out. That will help
a little with W&B.
Have fun. Good winter project!
----- Original Message -----
From: franknlynn <mailto:franklynn19@westnet.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:25 AM
Subject: L29-List: Equipment
Bill,
You mentioned removal of approximately 400 pounds in the form of old radios
and such. What about the ejection seat mechanism? There seams to be a lot of
dead weight in that gear. Has anyone looked into removing that stuff? Is
there a definitive list of equipment that it is recommended should be
removed?
Thanks,
Frank
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Hey Guys ! I thought I would share some observations with everyone.=0A =0AW
ell its August, summer is winding down and time for my annual trek to Easte
rn Europe, ending at the Czech International Air Show in Brno (CIAF). I've
been going to this part of the world for about 9 years and as an aviation
enthusiast, I try to find every air park, gate guard and air museum possibl
e to visit between my stops at actual air bases. When I first visted former
eastern block airbases they were busy, bustling with action, multiple dail
y sorties and lots of people. Not uncommon to see our wonderful little L-29
jet flying young anxious cadets around Bulgaria , Romania , Czech Republi
c etc. Each eager to graduate and move on to the "heavy iron". Each year
I see less aircraft flying, less aircrafts stored in the old style concre
te camo bunkers, and less students flying. All flying in the L-29 has stopp
ed with the exception of Egypt. What a pity. =0A =0AOver these years, ou
r beloved and faithful L-29''s are resting on the ramp waiting for a new l
ife and a new home. Today, those L-29's are in America, South Africa and ar
ound the world in the hands of civilians hoping to again fly them. Others h
ave suffered the fate of junk yards, aluminum crushers, and abandonment. So
sad for the trusty little Delfin. What do I see now? Empty aircraft bu
nkers, abandoned or re-rented to civilian industry. Control towers abandone
d with only graffiti and an occasional remnant of its previous occupant nea
rby. Bustling pilot housing, empty, water leaking in and only occupied by
birds and mice. Again, what a pity. As I drive across the former airbase,
I feel the souls of the cold war pilots hurrying to the aircraft for a pra
ctice alert. Their families living nearby and their lives revolving around
those base activities. Now, for the most part, gone are the little L-29's
, gone are the hundreds of young men learning
to fly, and gone are the airbases hidden in the fields near towns and vil
lages bearing their names. =0A =0AFor today there is no real enemy for mo
st of these small countries. Yes there are a couple of squadrons of modern
ized Migs or imported F16 A and B, or some British trainer. But gone are t
he big cold war bases, the 6 or 8 squadrons of L29's and L-39s and hundreds
of Mig 21 ready at a moments notice. Gone too are their pilots, their mec
hanics and technicians and with them died the knowledge, experience, and th
e memories. Maybe in a small pub in Hredec Kralove or Pardubice a story o
r two still gets told over a Starobrno beer about those great days flying t
hat trusty little Delfin=0A =0ASafe Flying- Best to All=0A =0ABob Schwartz
=0AA Delfin Driver=0A=0A=0A =0A______________________________________
Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it
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Hey Guys ! I thought I would share some observations with everyone.=0A =0AW
ell its August, summer is winding down and time for my annual trek to Easte
rn Europe, ending at the Czech International Air Show in Brno (CIAF). I've
been going to this part of the world for about 9 years and as an aviation
enthusiast, I try to find every air park, gate guard and air museum possibl
e to visit between my stops at actual air bases. When I first visted former
eastern block airbases they were busy, bustling with action, multiple dail
y sorties and lots of people. Not uncommon to see our wonderful little L-29
jet flying young anxious cadets around Bulgaria , Romania , Czech Republi
c etc. Each eager to graduate and move on to the "heavy iron". Each year
I see less aircraft flying, less aircrafts stored in the old style concre
te camo bunkers, and less students flying. All flying in the L-29 has stopp
ed with the exception of Egypt. What a pity. =0A =0AOver these years, ou
r beloved and faithful L-29''s are resting on the ramp waiting for a new l
ife and a new home. Today, those L-29's are in America, South Africa and ar
ound the world in the hands of civilians hoping to again fly them. Others h
ave suffered the fate of junk yards, aluminum crushers, and abandonment. So
sad for the trusty little Delfin. What do I see now? Empty aircraft bu
nkers, abandoned or re-rented to civilian industry. Control towers abandone
d with only graffiti and an occasional remnant of its previous occupant nea
rby. Bustling pilot housing, empty, water leaking in and only occupied by
birds and mice. Again, what a pity. As I drive across the former airbase,
I feel the souls of the cold war pilots hurrying to the aircraft for a pra
ctice alert. Their families living nearby and their lives revolving around
those base activities. Now, for the most part, gone are the little L-29's
, gone are the hundreds of young men learning
to fly, and gone are the airbases hidden in the fields near towns and vil
lages bearing their names. =0A =0AFor today there is no real enemy for mo
st of these small countries. Yes there are a couple of squadrons of modern
ized Migs or imported F16 A and B, or some British trainer. But gone are t
he big cold war bases, the 6 or 8 squadrons of L29's and L-39s and hundreds
of Mig 21 ready at a moments notice. Gone too are their pilots, their mec
hanics and technicians and with them died the knowledge, experience, and th
e memories. Maybe in a small pub in Hredec Kralove or Pardubice a story o
r two still gets told over a Starobrno beer about those great days flying t
hat trusty little Delfin=0A =0ASafe Flying- Best to All=0A =0ABob Schwartz
=0AA Delfin Driver=0A=0A=0A =0A______________________________________
Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it
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Aircraft left. The very last "round" inspection door at the tail. Look
inside, you will see them bolted to the aft bulk head. About 14 pounds.
It helps because its the only thing you can remove aft of the CG.
----- Original Message -----
From: franknlynn
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: L29-List: Equipment
Well a saving of over 300 pounds is excellent. My next question is
what steel plates in the tail would you be talking about?
Frank
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[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2007 4:40 AM
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: L29-List: Equipment
No list. You can get as crazy as you like. (Wiring, cannon plugs etc.)
You'll spend 6 hours chasing 5 oz. of wire. Not worth it.
Ejection stuff has been removed by some guys. Including the barrel
(pipe), the canopy jett. mechanisim.
They made aluminum blocks that bolt above the seat rails to hold you
in the cockpit.
We removed, VHF radios, 2 invedrtors, IFF unit, ADF, 3 or 4 boxes in
front of the front instrument panel against the fire wall. I actually
removed the RMI which got rid of all the stuff on the lower side wall,
left rear cockpit. Out an Electric DG in.
Of course I put 83 pounds of lead in the nose cone. Good trade off.
Don't forget the steel plates in the tail that can come out. That will
help a little with W&B.
Have fun. Good winter project!
----- Original Message -----
From: franknlynn
To: l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 5:25 AM
Subject: L29-List: Equipment
Bill,
You mentioned removal of approximately 400 pounds in the form of old
radios and such. What about the ejection seat mechanism? There seams to
be a lot of dead weight in that gear. Has anyone looked into removing
that stuff? Is there a definitive list of equipment that it is
recommended should be removed?
Thanks,
Frank
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.com/Navigator?L29-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums
.matronics.com
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Try to get back for the Lamar fly-in.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Schwartz
To: l29-list@matronics.com ; l29-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: (No subject header)
Hey Guys ! I thought I would share some observations with everyone.
Well its August, summer is winding down and time for my annual trek to
Eastern Europe, ending at the Czech International Air Show in Brno
(CIAF). I've been going to this part of the world for about 9 years and
as an aviation enthusiast, I try to find every air park, gate guard and
air museum possible to visit between my stops at actual air bases. When
I first visted former eastern block airbases they were busy, bustling
with action, multiple daily sorties and lots of people. Not uncommon to
see our wonderful little L-29 jet flying young anxious cadets around
Bulgaria , Romania , Czech Republic etc. Each eager to graduate and move
on to the "heavy iron". Each year I see less aircraft flying, less
aircrafts stored in the old style concrete camo bunkers, and less
students flying. All flying in the L-29 has stopped with the exception
of Egypt. What a pity.
Over these years, our beloved and faithful L-29''s are resting on
the ramp waiting for a new life and a new home. Today, those L-29's are
in America, South Africa and around the world in the hands of civilians
hoping to again fly them. Others have suffered the fate of junk yards,
aluminum crushers, and abandonment. So sad for the trusty little Delfin.
What do I see now? Empty aircraft bunkers, abandoned or re-rented to
civilian industry. Control towers abandoned with only graffiti and an
occasional remnant of its previous occupant nearby. Bustling pilot
housing, empty, water leaking in and only occupied by birds and mice.
Again, what a pity. As I drive across the former airbase, I feel the
souls of the cold war pilots hurrying to the aircraft for a practice
alert. Their families living nearby and their lives revolving around
those base activities. Now, for the most part, gone are the little
L-29's, gone are the hundreds of young men learning to fly, and gone are
the airbases hidden in the fields near towns and villages bearing their
names.
For today there is no real enemy for most of these small countries.
Yes there are a couple of squadrons of modernized Migs or imported F16 A
and B, or some British trainer. But gone are the big cold war bases,
the 6 or 8 squadrons of L29's and L-39s and hundreds of Mig 21 ready at
a moments notice. Gone too are their pilots, their mechanics and
technicians and with them died the knowledge, experience, and the
memories. Maybe in a small pub in Hredec Kralove or Pardubice a story
or two still gets told over a Starobrno beer about those great days
flying that trusty little Delfin
Safe Flying- Best to All
Bob Schwartz
A Delfin Driver
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