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3. 07:10 PM - Re: ejection seat stats (Ernest Martinez)
4. 08:45 PM - Re: ejection seat stats (gary and ann)
5. 09:34 PM - Re: ejection seat stats (SD737@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: ejection seat stats |
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From: "Jorgen Nielsen"
Subject: L29-List: ejection seat stats
Anyone have statistics onsuccessful or otherwise ejections
onL29?
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| Subject: | Re: ejection seat stats |
I had a friend in an L-39 decide to use his "Extra
Option" one day. Airplane was fresh out of annual. Forgot
to lock the front radio bay, it came open as he rotated,
the suit case opened everything went into the intake. At 50'
he decided aha! I have a seat, goodie. He punched out AFTER
the airplane rolled 90 degrees, at 50'. He died what I can
only imagine was a very painful death. Not because the seat
didn't work, but because he was untrained in ejection
technique, was untrained as to the limits of what the seat
can do and he forgot the one and only memory item on any
check list you have. There is only one thing you need to
memorize, "FLY THE AIRPLANE". You see, in front of him was
over 2000' more runway and a nice grass over run. I'd say
he had a false sense of security having a Hot Seat. You
can't leave the aircraft unattended, you can't show it to
people, My first year at Oskosh with mine, I had 75 photos
taken with kids in the front seat. That was the best time
I've had with my jet. Sharing it with others. I wouldn't
let them near a hot seat, whether it was pinned or not. Shit
happens! If it was the Mig 21 that requires hydraulics to
fly, that may be different. But this is a mechanical
airplane.
Like I said, it stalls at 72 and lands on dirt at 90. You
need a seat because????? I'll bet the airplane you learned
to do aerobatics in didn't have a hot seat?
Your choice. Only my opinion.
Bill
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From: "Jorgen Nielsen"
Subject: L29-List: ejection seat stats
Anyone have statistics onsuccessful or otherwise ejections
onL29?
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| Subject: | Re: ejection seat stats |
And no one is shooting at you!
Ernie
On 9/12/07, czech6@kellin.net <czech6@kellin.net> wrote:
>
> I had a friend in an L-39 decide to use his "Extra Option" one day.
> Airplane was fresh out of annual. Forgot to lock the front radio bay, it
> came open as he rotated, the suit case opened everything went into the
> intake. At 50' he decided aha! I have a seat, goodie. He punched out AFTER
> the airplane rolled 90 degrees, at 50'. He died what I can only imagine was
> a very painful death. Not because the seat didn't work, but because he was
> untrained in ejection technique, was untrained as to the limits of what the
> seat can do and he forgot the one and only memory item on any check list you
> have. There is only one thing you need to memorize, "FLY THE AIRPLANE". You
> see, in front of him was over 2000' more runway and a nice grass over run.
> I'd say he had a false sense of security having a Hot Seat. You can't leave
> the aircraft unattended, you can't show it to people, My first year at
> Oskosh with mine, I had 75 photos taken with kids in the front seat. That
> was the best time I've had with my jet. Sharing it with others. I wouldn't
> let them near a hot seat, whether it was pinned or not. Shit happens! If it
> was the Mig 21 that requires hydraulics to fly, that may be different. But
> this is a mechanical airplane.
>
> Like I said, it stalls at 72 and lands on dirt at 90. You need a seat
> because????? I'll bet the airplane you learned to do aerobatics in didn't
> have a hot seat?
>
> Your choice. Only my opinion.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | ejection seat stats |
I make a few Fly-INS and also have a line of kids in both seats for
pictures. Great day for them and their parents. As I fly in and out of a
3300' grass strip I would always ride the 29 to a stop. If you eject (and
live) you don't have a plane to fly tomorrow.
Gary
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event.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List: ejection seat stats
I had a friend in an L-39 decide to use his "Extra Option" one day. Airplane
was fresh out of annual. Forgot to lock the front radio bay, it came open as
he rotated, the suit case opened everything went into the intake. At 50' he
decided aha! I have a seat, goodie. He punched out AFTER the airplane rolled
90 degrees, at 50'. He died what I can only imagine was a very painful
death. Not because the seat didn't work, but because he was untrained in
ejection technique, was untrained as to the limits of what the seat can do
and he forgot the one and only memory item on any check list you have. There
is only one thing you need to memorize, "FLY THE AIRPLANE". You see, in
front of him was over 2000' more runway and a nice grass over run. I'd say
he had a false sense of security having a Hot Seat. You can't leave the
aircraft unattended, you can't show it to people, My first year at Oskosh
with mine, I had 75 photos taken with kids in the front seat. That was the
best time I've had with my jet. Sharing it with others. I wouldn't let them
near a hot seat, whether it was pinned or not. Shit happens! If it was the
Mig 21 that requires hydraulics to fly, that may be different. But this is a
mechanical airplane.
Like I said, it stalls at 72 and lands on dirt at 90. You need a seat
because????? I'll bet the airplane you learned to do aerobatics in didn't
have a hot seat?
Your choice. Only my opinion.
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| Subject: | Re: ejection seat stats |
Most of the time the material on this forum is basically "junk email", and
it's not very often that there is a WELL written opinion on this forum.
Bill's opinion in this case is straight forward, to the point and SO true!
I see a hot seat of the vintage we are talking about as more of a hazard and
liability than anything else.
Chances are it's gonna kill you if you use it, so might as well do the most
important thing as Bill mentioned. FLY THE AIRPLANE!
Last year a guy overhead Stead Airport in Reno, Nevada was doing aerobatics
in a Skybolt and the wing failed/rippped off the airplane. He did not have
an ejection seat and was faced with a cripled structually damaged aircraft that
was uncontrollable. He scrambled out of the aircraft and deployed his
parachute and floated safely to the ground.
Of course airliners don't have ejection seats, but what is POUNDED into us
in training is
Silence the Warning and then
1. FLY THE AIRPLANE
2. FLY THE AIRPLANE
3. FLY THE AIRPLANE
4. FLY THE AIRPLANE
5. FLY THE AIRPLANE
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