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5. 11:26 AM - Re: (Bill Culberson)
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7. 01:19 PM - Re: (Colyergreg)
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11. 01:58 PM - Ace maker (franknlynn)
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14. 07:40 PM - Re: (Colyergreg)
15. 11:00 PM - Official L29-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
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$1300/yr? Wow that's great! If anyone hear asked me, I would have guessed a
t
$5,000 a yr to insure a former military jet trainer! Shows what I know!
Boyce
In a message dated 12/31/2008 9:44:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
colyergreg@aol.com writes:
--> L29-List message posted by: Colyergreg <colyergreg@aol.com>
Just the fuel pretty much. I had mine for 4 years and just fueled and
flew. Insurance was $1300 a year plus tie down or hanger
Sent from my iPhone,
Greg
On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:11 PM, "Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@gmail.com>
wrote:
> --> L29-List message posted by: "Trevor Jennings"
> <tjennings@gmail.com>
>
> Thats fair enough. I plan on doing the IFR someday anyway. At the
> moment I'm in the process of building a Zodiac CH650 but definitely
> want to see what the L-29 is like.
>
> Whats the approximate cost per hour to run one of those birds anyway?
>
> - Trevor
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Bill Culberson
> <bculberson@staraviation.com> wrote:
>> Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the L-29. The
>> FAA's
>> position (as described to me by my instructor) is more a level of
>> competency
>> plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of airspeeds in
>> decent and
>> engine indication is a key part of flying the L-29. The good news
>> is that
>> the engine just keeps running and running and running..as long
as
>> there is
>> fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of the best
>> things
>> about the L-29.
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, you won't fly an L-29 for "an hour or two", you will
>> find that
>> 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your checkbook.
>> Takeoff,
>> 10 min jet acro, Simulated Flame Out recovery to the pattern and
>> your ready
>> to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year, and while
>> fun, it was
>> pretty hard on the butt flying that far.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45 AM
>>
>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: L29-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye teeth for
>> one. But I
>> am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never have
>> the 1000
>> hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR
>> requirement. Here's
>> why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or for long
>> periods
>> of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am
>> definitely a fair
>> weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally, for an
>> hour or
>> two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting into
>> IMC, and
>> respect those who have the training, and ability to fly IFR. But
>> for me, I
>> could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an IFR
>> rating
>> is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come out! My
>> two cents
>> worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang
>> II once
>> complete, and dream of an L-29...........
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
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160 gallons is nothing to me now..... I wish I still had that burn. I
sold my '29 and bought a T-33, now I'm 300 an hour! Ouch!
Sent from my iPhone,
Greg
On Jan 1, 2009, at 5:16 AM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson@staraviation.com
> wrote:
> Well, as you read, the L-29 can be had for 30K. Insurance
> (liabiality) is 2km the bad news is that the L-29 burns 160 gallons
> an hour of at least K-1 or jet-A. Right now I'm paying 2.25/gal K-1,
> so you can do the math....that's why you fly 20-30 minutes at a
> time....I did today, it was awesome....
> --------------------------
> Sent using BlackBerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com <owner-l29-list-server@matronics
.com
> >
> To: l29-list@matronics.com <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed Dec 31 20:11:44 2008
> Subject: Re: L29-List:
>
> <tjennings@gmail.com>
>
> Thats fair enough. I plan on doing the IFR someday anyway. At the
> moment I'm in the process of building a Zodiac CH650 but definitely
> want to see what the L-29 is like.
>
> Whats the approximate cost per hour to run one of those birds anyway?
>
> - Trevor
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Bill Culberson
> <bculberson@staraviation.com> wrote:
> > Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the L-29. The
> FAA's
> > position (as described to me by my instructor) is more a level of
> competency
> > plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of airspeeds in
> decent and
> > engine indication is a key part of flying the L-29. The good news
> is that
> > the engine just keeps running and running and running..as long
as
> there is
> > fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of the best
> things
> > about the L-29.
> >
> >
> >
> > By the way, you won't fly an L-29 for "an hour or two", you will
> find that
> > 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your
> checkbook. Takeoff,
> > 10 min jet acro, Simulated Flame Out recovery to the pattern and
> your ready
> > to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year, and while
> fun, it was
> > pretty hard on the butt flying that far.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPEYBOY@aol.
com
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45 AM
> >
> > To: l29-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: L29-List:
> >
> >
> >
> > Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye teeth for
> one. But I
> > am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never have
> the 1000
> > hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR
> requirement. Here's
> > why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or for
> long periods
> > of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am
> definitely a fair
> > weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally, for an
> hour or
> > two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting into
> IMC, and
> > respect those who have the training, and ability to fly IFR. But
> for me, I
> > could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an
> IFR rating
> > is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come out! My
> two cents
> > worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang
> II once
> > complete, and dream of an L-29...........
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
>
>
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>
>
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And I thought 160gallons an hour was bad enough!!
Is there anyone here with a L-29 that is in or close to Maine?
Also happy new year!
- Trevor
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Colyergreg <colyergreg@aol.com> wrote:
> 160 gallons is nothing to me now..... I wish I still had that burn. I sold
> my '29 and bought a T-33, now I'm 300 an hour! Ouch!
>
> Sent from my iPhone,
> Greg
>
> On Jan 1, 2009, at 5:16 AM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson@staraviation.com>
> wrote:
>
> Well, as you read, the L-29 can be had for 30K. Insurance (liabiality) is
> 2km the bad news is that the L-29 burns 160 gallons an hour of at least K-1
> or jet-A. Right now I'm paying 2.25/gal K-1, so you can do the
> math....that's why you fly 20-30 minutes at a time....I did today, it was
> awesome....
> --------------------------
> Sent using BlackBerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> <owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com>
> To: l29-list@matronics.com <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed Dec 31 20:11:44 2008
> Subject: Re: L29-List:
>
>
> Thats fair enough. I plan on doing the IFR someday anyway. At the
> moment I'm in the process of building a Zodiac CH650 but definitely
> want to see what the L-29 is like.
>
> Whats the approximate cost per hour to run one of those birds anyway?
>
> - Trevor
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Bill Culberson
> <bculberson@staraviation.com> wrote:
>> Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the L-29. The FAA's
>> position (as described to me by my instructor) is more a level of
>> competency
>> plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of airspeeds in decent and
>> engine indication is a key part of flying the L-29. The good news is that
>> the engine just keeps running and running and running..as long as there
>> is
>> fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of the best things
>> about the L-29.
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, you won't fly an L-29 for "an hour or two", you will find that
>> 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your checkbook.
>> Takeoff,
>> 10 min jet acro, Simulated Flame Out recovery to the pattern and your
>> ready
>> to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year, and while fun, it
>> was
>> pretty hard on the butt flying that far.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>> RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45 AM
>>
>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: L29-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye teeth for one. But
>> I
>> am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never have the 1000
>> hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR requirement.
>> Here's
>> why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or for long
>> periods
>> of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am definitely a
>> fair
>> weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally, for an hour or
>> two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting into IMC, and
>> respect those who have the training, and ability to fly IFR. But for me, I
>> could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an IFR rating
>> is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come out! My two cents
>> worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang II once
>> complete, and dream of an L-29...........
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I must say yes. As soon as I flew one I knew I needed one. That was my
only mistake was flying one the first time.
Actually, Ive done good as it has the range and capacity to travel far
1350 nm range, and airshiws want it. So I've been able to fly a lot
without buying fuel. 500nm and i usually land at home with what i took
with or more...And it has more than twice the performance. 400kts and
5-6000 ft climb
Sent from my iPhone,
Greg
On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:29 PM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson@staraviation.com
> wrote:
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Check it out at www.t33heritagefoundation.org
Sent from my iPhone,
Greg
On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:29 PM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson@staraviation.com
> wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: e: L29-List: |
I went through falcon via eaa warbirds insurance...the first year it
was like $1380 then it went down to right at $1300
Sent from my iPhone,
Greg
On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:27 PM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson@staraviation.com
> wrote:
> Mines about 3K for liability and 3K for A/C coverage....who are you
> insured through for the 1.3K???
> --------------------------
> Sent using BlackBerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com <owner-l29-list-server@matronics
.com
> >
> To: l29-list@matronics.com <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thu Jan 01 06:45:27 2009
> Subject: Re: L29-List:
>
> $1300/yr? Wow that's great! If anyone hear asked me, I would have
> guessed at $5,000 a yr to insure a former military jet trainer!
> Shows what I know!
>
> Boyce
>
> In a message dated 12/31/2008 9:44:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, colyergr
eg@aol.com
> writes:
>
> <colyergreg@aol.com>
>
> Just the fuel pretty much. I had mine for 4 years and just
> fueled and
> flew. Insurance was $1300 a year plus tie down or hanger
>
> Sent from my iPhone,
> Greg
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:11 PM, "Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@gmail.c
om
> >
> wrote:
>
> > <tjennings@gmail.com>
> >
> > Thats fair enough. I plan on doing the IFR someday anyway.
> At the
> > moment I'm in the process of building a Zodiac CH650 but
> definitely
> > want to see what the L-29 is like.
> >
> > Whats the approximate cost per hour to run one of those
> birds anyway?
> >
> > - Trevor
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Bill Culberson
> > <bculberson@staraviation.com> wrote:
> >> Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the
> L-29. The
> >> FAA's
> >> position (as described to me by my instructor) is more a
> level of
> >> competency
> >> plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of
> airspeeds in
> >> decent and
> >> engine indication is a key part of flying the L-29. The
> good news
> >> is that
> >> the engine just keeps running and running and running.
.a
> s long as
> >> there is
> >> fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of
> the best
> >> things
> >> about the L-29.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> By the way, you won't fly an L-29 for "an hour or two",
> you will
> >> find that
> >> 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your
> checkbook.
> >> Takeoff,
> >> 10 min jet acro, Simulated Flame Out recovery to the
> pattern and
> >> your ready
> >> to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year,
> and while
> >> fun, it was
> >> pretty hard on the butt flying that far.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPE
YBOY@aol.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45 AM
> >>
> >> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: L29-List:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye
> teeth for
> >> one. But I
> >> am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may
> never have
> >> the 1000
> >> hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR
> >> requirement. Here's
> >> why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night,
> or for long
> >> periods
> >> of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am
> >> definitely a fair
> >> weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly
> locally, for an
> >> hour or
> >> two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of
> getting into
> >> IMC, and
> >> respect those who have the training, and ability to fly
> IFR. But
> >> for me, I
> >> could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot.
> So, an IFR
> >> rating
> >> is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come
> out! My
> >> two cents
> >> worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy
> my Mustang
> >> II once
> >> complete, and dream of an L-29...........
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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My T-33 would have been $1200 with the same company but no hull was
offered so I had to go with another underwriter. Now I pay 2k for
liability and almost 6 for hull.
Sent from my iPhone,
Greg
On Jan 1, 2009, at 3:27 PM, "Bill Culberson" <bculberson@staraviation.com
> wrote:
> Mines about 3K for liability and 3K for A/C coverage....who are you
> insured through for the 1.3K???
> --------------------------
> Sent using BlackBerry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com <owner-l29-list-server@matronics
.com
> >
> To: l29-list@matronics.com <l29-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thu Jan 01 06:45:27 2009
> Subject: Re: L29-List:
>
> $1300/yr? Wow that's great! If anyone hear asked me, I would have
> guessed at $5,000 a yr to insure a former military jet trainer!
> Shows what I know!
>
> Boyce
>
> In a message dated 12/31/2008 9:44:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, colyergr
eg@aol.com
> writes:
>
> <colyergreg@aol.com>
>
> Just the fuel pretty much. I had mine for 4 years and just
> fueled and
> flew. Insurance was $1300 a year plus tie down or hanger
>
> Sent from my iPhone,
> Greg
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:11 PM, "Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@gmail.c
om
> >
> wrote:
>
> > <tjennings@gmail.com>
> >
> > Thats fair enough. I plan on doing the IFR someday anyway.
> At the
> > moment I'm in the process of building a Zodiac CH650 but
> definitely
> > want to see what the L-29 is like.
> >
> > Whats the approximate cost per hour to run one of those
> birds anyway?
> >
> > - Trevor
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Bill Culberson
> > <bculberson@staraviation.com> wrote:
> >> Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the
> L-29. The
> >> FAA's
> >> position (as described to me by my instructor) is more a
> level of
> >> competency
> >> plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of
> airspeeds in
> >> decent and
> >> engine indication is a key part of flying the L-29. The
> good news
> >> is that
> >> the engine just keeps running and running and running.
.a
> s long as
> >> there is
> >> fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of
> the best
> >> things
> >> about the L-29.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> By the way, you won't fly an L-29 for "an hour or two",
> you will
> >> find that
> >> 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your
> checkbook.
> >> Takeoff,
> >> 10 min jet acro, Simulated Flame Out recovery to the
> pattern and
> >> your ready
> >> to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year,
> and while
> >> fun, it was
> >> pretty hard on the butt flying that far.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RAMPE
YBOY@aol.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45 AM
> >>
> >> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Re: L29-List:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye
> teeth for
> >> one. But I
> >> am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may
> never have
> >> the 1000
> >> hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR
> >> requirement. Here's
> >> why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night,
> or for long
> >> periods
> >> of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am
> >> definitely a fair
> >> weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly
> locally, for an
> >> hour or
> >> two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of
> getting into
> >> IMC, and
> >> respect those who have the training, and ability to fly
> IFR. But
> >> for me, I
> >> could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot.
> So, an IFR
> >> rating
> >> is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come
> out! My
> >> two cents
> >> worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy
> my Mustang
> >> II once
> >> complete, and dream of an L-29...........
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
> >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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Cool pics there 'Wired'. I can see why you wanted one any L-29 parts left
over after your sale?
Frank
Oz
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No sold everything as a package. I know where lots of parts are though
Sent from my iPhone,
Greg
On Jan 1, 2009, at 5:56 PM, "franknlynn" <franklynn19@westnet.com.au>
wrote:
> >
>
> Cool pics there 'Wired'. I can see why you wanted one any L-29 parts
> left over after your sale?
>
> Frank
> Oz
>
>
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Greg,
Who do you insure with? I insure my l-29 but it cost me way more than
that....
John Cabrera
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colyergreg
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: L29-List:
Just the fuel pretty much. I had mine for 4 years and just fueled and
flew. Insurance was $1300 a year plus tie down or hanger
Sent from my iPhone,
Greg
On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:11 PM, "Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@gmail.com>
wrote:
> <tjennings@gmail.com>
>
> Thats fair enough. I plan on doing the IFR someday anyway. At the
> moment I'm in the process of building a Zodiac CH650 but definitely
> want to see what the L-29 is like.
>
> Whats the approximate cost per hour to run one of those birds anyway?
>
> - Trevor
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Bill Culberson
> <bculberson@staraviation.com> wrote:
>> Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the L-29. The
>> FAA's
>> position (as described to me by my instructor) is more a level of
>> competency
>> plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of airspeeds in
>> decent and
>> engine indication is a key part of flying the L-29. The good news
>> is that
>> the engine just keeps running and running and running...as long as
>> there is
>> fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of the best
>> things
>> about the L-29.
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, you won't fly an L-29 for "an hour or two", you will
>> find that
>> 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your checkbook.
>> Takeoff,
>> 10 min jet acro, Simulated Flame Out recovery to the pattern and
>> your ready
>> to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year, and while
>> fun, it was
>> pretty hard on the butt flying that far.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45 AM
>>
>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: L29-List:
>>
>>
>>
>> Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye teeth for
>> one. But I
>> am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never have
>> the 1000
>> hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR
>> requirement. Here's
>> why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or for long
>> periods
>> of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am
>> definitely a fair
>> weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally, for an
>> hour or
>> two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting into
>> IMC, and
>> respect those who have the training, and ability to fly IFR. But
>> for me, I
>> could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an IFR
>> rating
>> is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come out! My
>> two cents
>> worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang
>> II once
>> complete, and dream of an L-29...........
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
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Falcon is the agent, I'll get you the underwriter when back from
vacation on Monday.
Sent from my iPhone,
Greg
On Jan 1, 2009, at 11:09 PM, "John Cabrera" <propblast@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> >
>
> Greg,
>
> Who do you insure with? I insure my l-29 but it cost me way more than
> that....
>
> John Cabrera
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colyergreg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:43 PM
> To: l29-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: L29-List:
>
>
>
> Just the fuel pretty much. I had mine for 4 years and just fueled and
> flew. Insurance was $1300 a year plus tie down or hanger
>
> Sent from my iPhone,
> Greg
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2008, at 10:11 PM, "Trevor Jennings" <tjennings@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> <tjennings@gmail.com>
>>
>> Thats fair enough. I plan on doing the IFR someday anyway. At the
>> moment I'm in the process of building a Zodiac CH650 but definitely
>> want to see what the L-29 is like.
>>
>> Whats the approximate cost per hour to run one of those birds anyway?
>>
>> - Trevor
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Bill Culberson
>> <bculberson@staraviation.com> wrote:
>>> Well, the IFR rating is not really for IMC flying in the L-29. The
>>> FAA's
>>> position (as described to me by my instructor) is more a level of
>>> competency
>>> plus better instrument scanning. Keeping track of airspeeds in
>>> decent and
>>> engine indication is a key part of flying the L-29. The good news
>>> is that
>>> the engine just keeps running and running and running...as long as
>>> there is
>>> fuel. Very low maintenance requirements are really one of the best
>>> things
>>> about the L-29.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way, you won't fly an L-29 for "an hour or two", you will
>>> find that
>>> 20-30 minutes will check the box without tearing up your checkbook.
>>> Takeoff,
>>> 10 min jet acro, Simulated Flame Out recovery to the pattern and
>>> your ready
>>> to land and get out. I took mine to Oshkosh this year, and while
>>> fun, it was
>>> pretty hard on the butt flying that far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> RAMPEYBOY@aol.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:45 AM
>>>
>>> To: l29-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: L29-List:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trevor me and you are in same boat. I'd give my eye teeth for
>>> one. But I
>>> am too deep already on a Mustang II kitplane, and may never have
>>> the 1000
>>> hours OR the IFR rating. I wish they would drop the IFR
>>> requirement. Here's
>>> why: I don't fly long distances, nor do I fly at night, or for long
>>> periods
>>> of time. I fly when I want, for fun in the daylight. I am
>>> definitely a fair
>>> weather flier. My intentions for an L-29 is to fly locally, for an
>>> hour or
>>> two at a time. I know and understand the dangers of getting into
>>> IMC, and
>>> respect those who have the training, and ability to fly IFR. But
>>> for me, I
>>> could not fly enough to be a safe, proficient IFR pilot. So, an IFR
>>> rating
>>> is more likely to cause me to get into IMC, and not come out! My
>>> two cents
>>> worth. So for the immediate future, I am going to enjoy my Mustang
>>> II once
>>> complete, and dream of an L-29...........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Official L29-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the L29-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete L29-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/L29-List.FAQ.html
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You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
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If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
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These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
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2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
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5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
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All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
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Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
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30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
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you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
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Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
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To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
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Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "l29-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
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* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
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the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
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small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
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Please forward this information to the following email address:
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
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or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
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content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
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information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
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The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
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One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
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post and convert it into a Wiki page.
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Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* L29-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the L29-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* L29-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* L29-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* L29-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the L29-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* L29-Archive.digest.complete.Z
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the L29-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?L29
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
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and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
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L29-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the L29-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the L29-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
L29-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the L29-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
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- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
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quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
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- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
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agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
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- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the L29-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
L29-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/L29-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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L29-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the L29-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the L29-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
L29-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the L29-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
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