L29-List Digest Thu 01/16/14

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Thu 01/16/14

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     1. 01:54 PM - Re: Center of Gravity - CG (ershire)
     2. 02:07 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (delfin29@me.com)
     3. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Bill Geipel)
     4. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Jon S)
     5. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Frank Deeth)
     6. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Jon S)
     7. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Frank Deeth)
     8. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (delfin29@me.com)
     9. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Bill Geipel)
    10. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Bill Geipel)
    11. 08:43 PM - Video Delfin (delfin29@me.com)
    12. 10:24 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Jorgen Nielsen)
 
 
 

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Time: 01:54:34 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG
From: "ershire" <jonairway@gmail.com>      
      
      What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
      
      

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Time: 02:07:44 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG
From: delfin29@me.com      
      
      If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out, same
      weight as the IFF.
      I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight,
      plus or minus.
      Jean de Roubin
      
      
      Le 16 janv. 2014  21:54, ershire <jonairway@gmail.com> a crit :
      
      > 
      > What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      > 
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      > Read this topic online here:
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      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
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Time: 02:45:25 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG
From: Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>      
      
      What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I added
      103 pounds in the nose. 
      
      
      On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote:
      
      > 
      > If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out,
      same weight as the IFF.
      > I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight,
      plus or minus.
      > Jean de Roubin
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Le 16 janv. 2014  21:54, ershire <jonairway@gmail.com> a crit :
      > 
      >> 
      >> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> Read this topic online here:
      >> 
      >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
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Time: 03:02:33 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG
From: Jon S <jonairway@gmail.com>      
      Exactly, I too have 103lbs in the nose. My empty weight is 5193. How does
      that compare?
      On Jan 16, 2014 5:46 PM, "Bill Geipel" <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
      
      >
      > What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so
      > I added 103 pounds in the nose.
      >
      >
      > On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote:
      >
      > >
      > > If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF i
      n
      > out, same weight as the IFF.
      > > I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same
      > weight, plus or minus.
      > > Jean de Roubin
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Le 16 janv. 2014 =E0 21:54, ershire <jonairway@gmail.com> a =E9crit :
      > >
      > >>
      > >> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> Read this topic online here:
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      > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
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Time: 03:07:28 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG
From: Frank Deeth <tr.9@westnet.com.au>      
      
      There are some weights in the tail too isn't there Bill?
      
      BTW, have you had your tail section off lately?
      
      Cheers,
      
      Frank
      
      Sent from my iPad
      
      On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
      
      > 
      > What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I added
      103 pounds in the nose. 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote:
      > 
      >> 
      >> If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out,
      same weight as the IFF.
      >> I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight,
      plus or minus.
      >> Jean de Roubin
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> Le 16 janv. 2014  21:54, ershire <jonairway@gmail.com> a crit :
      >> 
      >>> 
      >>> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> Read this topic online here:
      >>> 
      >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
      >>> 
      >>> 
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Time: 03:14:50 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG
From: Jon S <jonairway@gmail.com>      
      The weights are out of the tail and the tail was off in September for
      annual.
      On Jan 16, 2014 6:08 PM, "Frank Deeth" <tr.9@westnet.com.au> wrote:
      
      >
      > There are some weights in the tail too isn't there Bill?
      >
      > BTW, have you had your tail section off lately?
      >
      > Cheers,
      >
      > Frank
      >
      > Sent from my iPad
      >
      > On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
      >
      > >
      > > What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk
      > so I added 103 pounds in the nose.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote:
      > >
      > >>
      > >> If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF
      > in out, same weight as the IFF.
      > >> I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same
      > weight, plus or minus.
      > >> Jean de Roubin
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> Le 16 janv. 2014 =E0 21:54, ershire <jonairway@gmail.com> a =E9crit :
      > >>
      > >>>
      > >>> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>>
      > >>> Read this topic online here:
      > >>>
      > >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
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Time: 03:48:50 PM PST US
From: Frank Deeth <tr.9@westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG      
      About how much weight was in the tail?
      
      Cheers,
      
      Frank
      
      Sent from my iPhone
      
      > On 16 Jan 2014, at 3:02 pm, Jon S <jonairway@gmail.com> wrote:
      > 
      > Exactly, I too have 103lbs in the nose. My empty weight is 5193. How does t
      hat compare?
      > 
      >> On Jan 16, 2014 5:46 PM, "Bill Geipel" <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
      >> 
      >> What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so
       I added 103 pounds in the nose.
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote:
      >> 
      >> >
      >> > If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF i
      n out, same weight as the IFF.
      >> > I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same w
      eight, plus or minus.
      >> > Jean de Roubin
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> > Le 16 janv. 2014 =C3- 21:54, ershire <jonairway@gmail.com> a =C3=A9cr
      it :
      >> >
      >> >>
      >> >> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >> Read this topic online here:
      >> >>
      >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
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Time: 04:53:35 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG
From: delfin29@me.com      
      
      All radios and nav (radiocompass) were removed. Modern ones instead. As most is
      in the middle, it does not affect much center of gravity. As I have an air compressor
      in the nose right, place of IFF, my plane was weighted and is well balanced
      without any weight in the nose or in the the tail.
      My empty weight is 5193 lbs with 28,85 % MAC. 
      Center of gravity should be beetween 20,5% and 25,5% MAC in flight (flight manual
      5.8)
      It flies like this from many years and goes out of  stalls and spins without any
      problems.
      Jean de Roubin
      
      
      Le 16 janv. 2014  22:48, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> a crit :
      
      > 
      > What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I added
      103 pounds in the nose. 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote:
      > 
      >> 
      >> If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out,
      same weight as the IFF.
      >> I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight,
      plus or minus.
      >> Jean de Roubin
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> Le 16 janv. 2014  21:54, ershire <jonairway@gmail.com> a crit :
      >> 
      >>> 
      >>> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> Read this topic online here:
      >>> 
      >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> 
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      >>> 
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Time: 05:24:37 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG
From: Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>      
      4995 empty weight.
      
      
      On Jan 16, 2014, at 17:02, Jon S <jonairway@gmail.com> wrote:
      
      > Exactly, I too have 103lbs in the nose. My empty weight is 5193. How does t
      hat compare?
      > 
      > On Jan 16, 2014 5:46 PM, "Bill Geipel" <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
      > 
      > What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I
       added 103 pounds in the nose.
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote:
      > 
      > >
      > > If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in
       out, same weight as the IFF.
      > > I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same w
      eight, plus or minus.
      > > Jean de Roubin
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Le 16 janv. 2014 =C3- 21:54, ershire <jonairway@gmail.com> a =C3=A9cri
      t :
      > >
      > >>
      > >> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> Read this topic online here:
      > >>
      > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
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Time: 05:25:49 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG
From: Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>      
      
      17 pounds in the tail. Steel plates.
      Actually haven't even seen my jet since July and then only in passing.
      Hang in there.
      Bill
      
      
      On Jan 16, 2014, at 17:07, Frank Deeth <tr.9@westnet.com.au> wrote:
      
      > 
      > There are some weights in the tail too isn't there Bill?
      > 
      > BTW, have you had your tail section off lately?
      > 
      > Cheers,
      > 
      > Frank
      > 
      > Sent from my iPad
      > 
      > On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
      > 
      >> 
      >> What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I
      added 103 pounds in the nose. 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote:
      >> 
      >>> 
      >>> If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out,
      same weight as the IFF.
      >>> I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight,
      plus or minus.
      >>> Jean de Roubin
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> Le 16 janv. 2014  21:54, ershire <jonairway@gmail.com> a crit :
      >>> 
      >>>> 
      >>>> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      >>>> 
      >>>> 
      >>>> 
      >>>> 
      >>>> Read this topic online here:
      >>>> 
      >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
      >>>> 
      >>>> 
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Time: 08:43:50 PM PST US
From: delfin29@me.com
Subject: Video Delfin      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_lWUAb3Qvs&feature=youtu.be
      
      

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Time: 10:24:27 PM PST US
From: Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
Subject: Re: Center of Gravity - CG      
      
      Hi Bill
      
      Does yours not have the viper motor?
      
      Sent from my iPad
      
      > On 17 Jan 2014, at 3:28, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
      > 
      > 
      > 17 pounds in the tail. Steel plates.
      > Actually haven't even seen my jet since July and then only in passing.
      > Hang in there.
      > Bill
      > 
      > 
      > 
      >> On Jan 16, 2014, at 17:07, Frank Deeth <tr.9@westnet.com.au> wrote:
      >> 
      >> 
      >> There are some weights in the tail too isn't there Bill?
      >> 
      >> BTW, have you had your tail section off lately?
      >> 
      >> Cheers,
      >> 
      >> Frank
      >> 
      >> Sent from my iPad
      >> 
      >>> On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I
      added 103 pounds in the nose. 
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>> 
      >>>> On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote:
      >>>> 
      >>>> 
      >>>> If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out,
      same weight as the IFF.
      >>>> I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight,
      plus or minus.
      >>>> Jean de Roubin
      >>>> 
      >>>> 
      >>>> 
      >>>>> Le 16 janv. 2014  21:54, ershire <jonairway@gmail.com> a crit :
      >>>>> 
      >>>>> 
      >>>>> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose?
      >>>>> 
      >>>>> 
      >>>>> 
      >>>>> 
      >>>>> Read this topic online here:
      >>>>> 
      >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032
      > 
      > 
      > 
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      > 
      
      








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