---------------------------------------------------------- L29-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/16/14: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:54 PM - Re: Center of Gravity - CG (ershire) 2. 02:07 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (delfin29@me.com) 3. 02:45 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Bill Geipel) 4. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Jon S) 5. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Frank Deeth) 6. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Jon S) 7. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Frank Deeth) 8. 04:53 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (delfin29@me.com) 9. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Bill Geipel) 10. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Bill Geipel) 11. 08:43 PM - Video Delfin (delfin29@me.com) 12. 10:24 PM - Re: Re: Center of Gravity - CG (Jorgen Nielsen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:34 PM PST US Subject: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG From: "ershire" What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG From: delfin29@me.com If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out, same weight as the IFF. I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight, plus or minus. Jean de Roubin Le 16 janv. 2014 21:54, ershire a crit : > > What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:45:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG From: Bill Geipel What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I added 103 pounds in the nose. On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote: > > If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out, same weight as the IFF. > I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight, plus or minus. > Jean de Roubin > > > > Le 16 janv. 2014 21:54, ershire a crit : > >> >> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG From: Jon S Exactly, I too have 103lbs in the nose. My empty weight is 5193. How does that compare? On Jan 16, 2014 5:46 PM, "Bill Geipel" wrote: > > What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so > I added 103 pounds in the nose. > > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote: > > > > > If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF i n > out, same weight as the IFF. > > I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same > weight, plus or minus. > > Jean de Roubin > > > > > > > > Le 16 janv. 2014 =E0 21:54, ershire a =E9crit : > > > >> > >> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Read this topic online here: > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG From: Frank Deeth There are some weights in the tail too isn't there Bill? BTW, have you had your tail section off lately? Cheers, Frank Sent from my iPad On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Bill Geipel wrote: > > What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I added 103 pounds in the nose. > > > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote: > >> >> If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out, same weight as the IFF. >> I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight, plus or minus. >> Jean de Roubin >> >> >> >> Le 16 janv. 2014 21:54, ershire a crit : >> >>> >>> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG From: Jon S The weights are out of the tail and the tail was off in September for annual. On Jan 16, 2014 6:08 PM, "Frank Deeth" wrote: > > There are some weights in the tail too isn't there Bill? > > BTW, have you had your tail section off lately? > > Cheers, > > Frank > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Bill Geipel wrote: > > > > > What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk > so I added 103 pounds in the nose. > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote: > > > >> > >> If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF > in out, same weight as the IFF. > >> I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same > weight, plus or minus. > >> Jean de Roubin > >> > >> > >> > >> Le 16 janv. 2014 =E0 21:54, ershire a =E9crit : > >> > >>> > >>> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Read this topic online here: > >>> > >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:50 PM PST US From: Frank Deeth Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG About how much weight was in the tail? Cheers, Frank Sent from my iPhone > On 16 Jan 2014, at 3:02 pm, Jon S wrote: > > Exactly, I too have 103lbs in the nose. My empty weight is 5193. How does t hat compare? > >> On Jan 16, 2014 5:46 PM, "Bill Geipel" wrote: >> >> What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I added 103 pounds in the nose. >> >> >> >> On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote: >> >> > >> > If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF i n out, same weight as the IFF. >> > I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same w eight, plus or minus. >> > Jean de Roubin >> > >> > >> > >> > Le 16 janv. 2014 =C3- 21:54, ershire a =C3=A9cr it : >> > >> >> >> >> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ========== >> rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== > > > 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG From: delfin29@me.com All radios and nav (radiocompass) were removed. Modern ones instead. As most is in the middle, it does not affect much center of gravity. As I have an air compressor in the nose right, place of IFF, my plane was weighted and is well balanced without any weight in the nose or in the the tail. My empty weight is 5193 lbs with 28,85 % MAC. Center of gravity should be beetween 20,5% and 25,5% MAC in flight (flight manual 5.8) It flies like this from many years and goes out of stalls and spins without any problems. Jean de Roubin Le 16 janv. 2014 22:48, Bill Geipel a crit : > > What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I added 103 pounds in the nose. > > > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote: > >> >> If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out, same weight as the IFF. >> I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight, plus or minus. >> Jean de Roubin >> >> >> >> Le 16 janv. 2014 21:54, ershire a crit : >> >>> >>> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG From: Bill Geipel 4995 empty weight. On Jan 16, 2014, at 17:02, Jon S wrote: > Exactly, I too have 103lbs in the nose. My empty weight is 5193. How does t hat compare? > > On Jan 16, 2014 5:46 PM, "Bill Geipel" wrote: > > What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I added 103 pounds in the nose. > > > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote: > > > > > If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out, same weight as the IFF. > > I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same w eight, plus or minus. > > Jean de Roubin > > > > > > > > Le 16 janv. 2014 =C3- 21:54, ershire a =C3=A9cri t : > > > >> > >> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Read this topic online here: > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========== > rget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG From: Bill Geipel 17 pounds in the tail. Steel plates. Actually haven't even seen my jet since July and then only in passing. Hang in there. Bill On Jan 16, 2014, at 17:07, Frank Deeth wrote: > > There are some weights in the tail too isn't there Bill? > > BTW, have you had your tail section off lately? > > Cheers, > > Frank > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Bill Geipel wrote: > >> >> What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I added 103 pounds in the nose. >> >> >> >> On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote: >> >>> >>> If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out, same weight as the IFF. >>> I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight, plus or minus. >>> Jean de Roubin >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 16 janv. 2014 21:54, ershire a crit : >>> >>>> >>>> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:50 PM PST US From: delfin29@me.com Subject: L29-List: Video Delfin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_lWUAb3Qvs&feature=youtu.be ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:27 PM PST US From: Jorgen Nielsen Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Center of Gravity - CG Hi Bill Does yours not have the viper motor? Sent from my iPad > On 17 Jan 2014, at 3:28, Bill Geipel wrote: > > > 17 pounds in the tail. Steel plates. > Actually haven't even seen my jet since July and then only in passing. > Hang in there. > Bill > > > >> On Jan 16, 2014, at 17:07, Frank Deeth wrote: >> >> >> There are some weights in the tail too isn't there Bill? >> >> BTW, have you had your tail section off lately? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Frank >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Bill Geipel wrote: >>> >>> >>> What have you removed from the airplane? I removed 400+ pounds of junk so I added 103 pounds in the nose. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 16, 2014, at 16:07, delfin29@me.com wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> If you means weight in the nose, typically nothing. Maybe, if the IFF in out, same weight as the IFF. >>>> I have a air compressor at place of IFF on my L29, so it have the same weight, plus or minus. >>>> Jean de Roubin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Le 16 janv. 2014 21:54, ershire a crit : >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is the typical ballast required if any in the nose? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=417032#417032 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message l29-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/L29-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/l29-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/l29-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.